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[MHubert]

I definitely won't defend them, but considering this is in a country that has a holiday culturally aimed towards children (correct me if I'm wrong about this) themed with gore and horror - the charges are next level whacky. What a deeply schizofrenic culture.

Nobody in a scary costume answering the doorbell chases kids, makes them cry and films it. Even dumber is it's a daycare centre and a 5 person coordinated effort.

Isn't that what halloween basically is - I mean people dress up themselves and their kids as monsters? Honest question, I know nothing about halloween in the US and I want to learn more about this.

 

[ipukespiders]

Maybe raise your own kids instead of shipping them off to daycare you lazy fucking millenials.

 

[PSYGN]

Wtf, they are way too young for that and think it's an actual monster. This is going to traumatize them.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Maybe raise your own kids instead of shipping them off to daycare you lazy fucking millenials.

Hard to do that when both parents have to work to pay bills. This isn't the days where the mom can stay home with the kids and dad worked. I'm lucky that my wife works 2nd shift or we would be fucked. This is something a fucking boomer would say or someone who wasn't raised in a middle class family.

 

[ipukespiders]

Hard to do that when both parents have to work to pay bills. This isn't the days where the mom can stay home with the kids and dad worked. I'm lucky that my wife works 2nd shift or we would be fucked. This is something a fucking boomer would say or someone who wasn't raised in a middle class family.

This is something a fucking millenial would say.

Nah, they just want it all. Can't afford to have one parent home, don't have kids. Pretty fucking simple. I'm a Gen X'er, the greatest generation.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

This is something a fucking millenial would say.

Nah, they just want it all. Can't afford to have one parent home, don't have kids. Pretty fucking simple. I'm a Gen X'er, the greatest generation.

Well I hate to break it to you, but your generation raised millennials. Maybe if your generation did a better job raising your kids they would have this mindset growing up believing they deserve everything.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I definitely won't defend them, but considering this is in a country that has a holiday culturally aimed towards children (correct me if I'm wrong about this) themed with gore and horror - the charges are next level whacky. What a deeply schizofrenic culture.

Isn't that what halloween basically is - I mean people dress up themselves and their kids as monsters? Honest question, I know nothing about halloween in the US and I want to learn more about this.

Halloween is lame. 99.9% of people dressed up arent putting on scary costumes, acting scary, or recording themselves chasing 2 year olds on video. Kids ring your doorbell wearing their cheap superhero or home made costume and the homeowner gives them candy. Most people at home giving out the treats arent even dressed up. The kids walking around the neighbourhood are. The person at home is watching TV or finishing up dinner waiting for kids to show up.

Daycare centres are definitely not a Halloween kind of place where the supervisors are chasing kids around freaking them out.

 

[nemiroff]

Dude, it's a bad Halloween joke. I cannot believe the ridiculous exaggeration in this thread. The very worst they should get is fired. They're literally just trying to do seasonal holiday activities with the kids. They don't touch them. They're doing super light, super minimal Halloween prank shit. This is someone that's putting extra effort into trying to interact and engage with the kids. Someone who doesn't care would just ignore them. I'm pretty sure the kids are going to recover without permanent damage.

Context matters. We're talking about very young children here, some barely two years old.. They are in a phase of their life where they're still building a ruleset of how the world works, and if you screw it up there's a real chance it may lead to depression, anxiety, or anger later. Coincidentally my eight year old son put on a Halloween demon outfit in front of his toddler brother today, and the toddler was fine with it. But that's because we took care to do it within the limits of what we know he can handle. That's how you do it. If you want tough kids (well, when it comes to two-year olds it's mostly only things like f.ex. not running to comfort them if they lightly stumble and fall without hurting themselves) prepare them, train them often, always have a safe place they can retreat to, and then raise the ceiling ever so slightly every time. Then you can prank them as much as you want without hurting them. But that's not what these people in the daycare center did. They disregarded every common sense rule in the book. They should not work with children for the rest of their lives, they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[MHubert]

Halloween is lame. 99.9% of people dressed up arent putting on scary costumes, acting scary, or recording themselves chasing 2 year olds on video. Kids ring your doorbell wearing their cheap superhero or home made costume and the homeowner gives them candy. Most people at home giving out the treats arent even dressed up. The kids walking around the neighbourhood are. The person at home is watching TV or finishing up dinner waiting for kids to show up.

Daycare centres are definitely not a Halloween kind of place where the supervisors are chasing kids around freaking them out.

Ok thanks for your reply. I agree this shouldn't happen at a daycare centre. It's just that I could have sworn people posting such videos around this time of year on social media in the name of fun was quite common.

 

[nocsi]

I’d never put my child into daycare. Bad parenting

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ok thanks for your reply. I agree this shouldn't happen at a daycare centre. It's just that I could have sworn people posting such videos around this time of year on social media in the name of fun was quite common.

I'm sure theres tons of videos of people putting on a scary mask and chasing around their own kids for laughs, or pranking people by popping out from behind a wall and spooking someone.

But when it involves a daycare centre and other people's kids in a coordinated effort by the staff to freak out toddlers it takes on a totally different context.

It's not really any different than punishing kids. If a parent wants to cuss and spank their kids, go ahead. It's tolerated within reason. But if a teacher or babysitter did the same to kids it's totally different.

 

[Kamina]

Those kids and their parents will be dealing with the trauma for years.

I have been scared a few times in my childhood by our tradition around Krampus, as were plenty other children, and we all got over it within a few hours.
Yes, they now avoid that here and it is good, but i do not believe scaring a kid like that will cause ”trauma for years”.
These daycare workers deserve some form of punishment however.

 

[Batiman]

Hard to do that when both parents have to work to pay bills. This isn't the days where the mom can stay home with the kids and dad worked. I'm lucky that my wife works 2nd shift or we would be fucked. This is something a fucking boomer would say or someone who wasn't raised in a middle class family.

Most daycares here cost almost more than an average salary. I know so many parents that literally work to pay for daycare….. Makes no sense to me. Why not watch your own kids at that point?

 

[MHubert]

I'm sure theres tons of videos of people putting on a scary mask and chasing around their own kids for laughs, or pranking people by popping out from behind a wall and spooking someone.

But when it involves a daycare centre and other people's kids in a coordinated effort by the staff to freak out toddlers it takes on a totally different context.

It's not really any different than punishing kids. If a parent wants to cuss and spank their kids, go ahead. It's tolerated within reason. But if a teacher or babysitter did the same to kids it's totally different.

Oh I def agree with that. It's the proportions of the legal charges in the light of its cultural context that makes me scratch my head.

 

[Topher]

I’d never put my child into daycare. Bad parenting

You have kids?

 

[Punished Miku]

I have been scared a few times in my childhood by our tradition around Krampus, as were plenty other children, and we all got over it within a few hours.
Yes, they now avoid that here and it is good, but i do not believe scaring a kid like that will cause ”trauma for years”.
These daycare workers deserve some form of punishment however.

Meanwhile in China:

 

[Madflavor]

Dude, it's a bad Halloween joke. I cannot believe the ridiculous exaggeration in this thread. The very worst they should get is fired. They're literally just trying to do seasonal holiday activities with the kids. They don't touch them. They're doing super light, super minimal Halloween prank shit. This is someone that's putting extra effort into trying to interact and engage with the kids. Someone who doesn't care would just ignore them. I'm pretty sure the kids are going to recover without permanent damage.

No they should lose their license. Their responsibility is to take care of these children, watch over them, help them grow and learn, and to keep them safe. These are fucking toddlers. Scaring them like this can mentally damage them. This isn't something that would stay contained with the daycare. The children would probably have trouble sleeping after this, and then the parents have to be up at night dealing with it. A mistake is one thing, but this goes beyond a simple mistake. There are some things that are just common fucking sense. If you have a bunch of little toddlers screaming and crying for their lives, and it doesn't register in your dumb brain that what you're doing is traumatizing them, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you, and you shouldn't be taking care of other people's kids. Who knows what other mistakes they could make.

This is something a fucking millenial would say.

Nah, they just want it all. Can't afford to have one parent home, don't have kids. Pretty fucking simple. I'm a Gen X'er, the greatest generation.

Ooooohhh, look at you.

 

[Kacho]

I have been scared a few times in my childhood by our tradition around Krampus, as were plenty other children, and we all got over it within a few hours.
Yes, they now avoid that here and it is good, but i do not believe scaring a kid like that will cause ”trauma for years”.
These daycare workers deserve some form of punishment however.

There’s a big difference between scaring a kid and terrorizing a toddler. The latter is equivalent to emotionally abusing an animal, which can lead to long term issues.

 

[Husky]

lmao those daycare workers look like inbred quintuplets

 

[Spaceman292]

I definitely won't defend them, but

goes on to defend them

 

[MHubert]

goes on to defend them

do you lack oxygen?

 

[Ocean Dweller]

I saw this today. I would be pissed if these people did this to my kids. At the same time it's funny in a screwed up way.

Wtf? Not funny at all. You’re sick

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Most daycares here cost almost more than an average salary. I know so many parents that literally work to pay for daycare….. Makes no sense to me. Why not watch your own kids at that point?

If your income is under a certain amount some daycare's offer scholarships (which they use as a tax write off). This place most likely relies on tax write offs to off set the the loss they receive for low attendance or low enrollment cost.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

No they should lose their license. Their responsibility is to take care of these children, watch over them, help them grow and learn, and to keep them safe. These are fucking toddlers. Scaring them like this can mentally damage them. This isn't something that would stay contained with the daycare. The children would probably have trouble sleeping after this, and then the parents have to be up at night dealing with it. A mistake is one thing, but this goes beyond a simple mistake. There are some things that are just common fucking sense. If you have a bunch of little toddlers screaming and crying for their lives, and it doesn't register in your dumb brain that what you're doing is traumatizing them, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you, and you shouldn't be taking care of other people's kids. Who knows what other mistakes they could make.


Ooooohhh, look at you.

It's not surprising at some of the comments in this thread. Most of these people probably don't have kids or never had the responsibility of taking care of one.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I could see revoking their ability to work with children in the future, but charges for this are absurd.

 

[Lasha]

It's not surprising at some of the comments in this thread. Most of these people probably don't have kids or never had the responsibility of taking care of one.

Yourself included? I would just go talk to the teachers and principal of the center to figure out what happened and what steps are being taken to prevent it in the future. Calling the police and drawling for blood whenever anything happens is an unhealthy cultural phenomenon.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Looks like an attempt at celebrating Halloween gone a little too far. They should be reprimanded, but criminal charges? Fuck out of here with that.

 

[natjjohn]

This seems more like staff getting fired/parents getting a new day care vs felony child abuse, arrests and charges. Didn’t watch the whole video though so perhaps more was shown.

Don’t get me wrong I’d be pissed as one of the parents, but don’t think I’d be supporting police involvement like this

 

[Thaedolus]

My sister 3 years my elder slept on a pad in my room for 6 months after she was shown The Exorcist 1 and 3 at a Girl Scout sleepover when she was 11. That was after my parents finally told her no more sleeping in their room.

This shit isn’t funny. It can traumatize children and cause lasting issues.

I don’t know about felony charges but definitely civil liability and never being in childcare again. Fuck these people.

 

[Kenpachii]

Most daycares here cost almost more than an average salary. I know so many parents that literally work to pay for daycare….. Makes no sense to me. Why not watch your own kids at that point?

If you want to buy a house and not living in a rental that keeps you poor forever, u will need to work with both of you.

There is only 2 options here, either u drop your kids at your parents place or u drop them at daycare.

 

[Kamina]

There’s a big difference between scaring a kid and terrorizing a toddler. The latter is equivalent to emotionally abusing an animal, which can lead to long term issues.

Agreed
Based on that news video however we dont know how long and far they look it.
It is sick for sure, and someone will judge them accordingly.

 

[GymWolf]

Lucky childs only have the scare part.

When i was a child i got beaten up daily for 5 years of elementary school by a psycho bitch teacher

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I'm not trying to push an anti-US argument here, just a possible observation, why does it seem "bad" replies here about day care appear to be US based? In Australia day care is pretty common practice, it's actually a pretty great social/communal thing. We put our kids (when younger) in 2 days a week each, so they had the best of at home and day care socialisation. Both kids still have friends to this day from kinda/kinder (kindergarten nickname we Aussies use for day care). My wife still drops in to say hi to two staff ladies from my son/daughter's kinda years later.

As for these twats in the OP video, it would take quite a moment of restraint to not flat out deck the day care staff. At best I think I'd have a few dads bring a scare event of our own after the kids all went home one day.

 

[Rran]

I'm not trying to push an anti-US argument here, just a possible observation, why does it seem "bad" replies here about day care appear to be US based? In Australia day care is pretty common practice, it's actually a pretty great social/communal thing. We put our kids (when younger) in 2 days a week each, so they had the best of at home and day care socialisation. Both kids still have friends to this day from kinda/kinder (kindergarten nickname we Aussies use for day care). My wife still drops in to say hi to two staff ladies from my son/daughter's kinda years later.

As for these twats in the OP video, it would take quite a moment of restraint to not flat out deck the day care staff. At best I think I'd have a few dads bring a scare event of our own after the kids all went home one day.

Yeah, I don't get it either. If your kids are in a good day-care, it basically works like a pre-preschool. They get proper socialization and plenty of activities to learn and be engaged by. I'm not seeing the problem.

Unless of course the staff collectively tries to traumatize them. This was a tremendously stupid stunt and really can cause lasting damage and paranoia in young children. Toddlers absolutely develop lifelong fears out of stuff like this and this is one case where I feel the internet rage-machine was somewhat justified.

 

[BouncyFrag]

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[Spaceman292]

do you lack oxygen?

What? You said you wouldn't defend them then you gave a load of arguments for their side.

 

[INC]

The world's a scary place, they need to learn this young.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Yeah, I don't get it either. If your kids are in a good day-care, it basically works like a pre-preschool. They get proper socialization and plenty of activities to learn and be engaged by. I'm not seeing the problem.

I would imagine like everything in America daycare is A. Private B. Unregulated because 'Government will not tell me what to do!', thus shitty standards.

In France some daycares are public, but even private have very strict regulation and training. The government also subsidizes daycare depending on your revenue.

 

[MHubert]

What? You said you wouldn't defend them then you gave a load of arguments for their side.

I've been quite clear what I think about their actions. By your logic I defend the actions of every criminal by criticizing the us legal system.

That's fucked up.

 

[AJUMP23]

Lucky childs only have the scare part.

When i was a child i got beaten up daily for 5 years of elementary school by a psycho bitch teacher

Can you expound on this....I want to know why or how this person kept their job, and what could I look for to make sure it doesn't happen to my kids.

My wife is a teacher and that helps prevent my kids ending up in the bad teachers classes.

 

[Peggies]

I’d never put my child into daycare. Bad parenting

Wtf? Where you from?

Where I live at least one year daycare is obligatory before school. It's important for the children's social skills. Even households with one parent at home put their kids into daycare.

Apart from that it's simply not possible to feed a family with only one income. And me and my husband have both good jobs.

 

[Spaceman292]

Lucky childs only have the scare part.

When i was a child i got beaten up daily for 5 years of elementary school by a psycho bitch teacher

Holy shit, that's not normal bro. Did you grow up in Soviet Russia?

 

[Punished Miku]

Holy shit, that's not normal bro. Did you grow up in Soviet Russia?

I believe the Wolf is Italian.

 

[GymWolf]

Holy shit, that's not normal bro. Did you grow up in Soviet Russia?

In italy was pretty common to be physical for the teachers when i was a child (and before that it was even worse if what old people say is true), but parents were all ok with that, nobody ever said anything, different mentality back in the days and kids were stronger.
My teacher was probably a reminiscence of when my parents were kids and all teachers were like that.

Now that i'm a grown up i can see the problem, but absurd as it can sound, it was not a big deal when i was a kid, my parents were already pretty physical so it was just more of the same, i still never did my fucking homeworks once

 

[GymWolf]

Can you expound on this....I want to know why or how this person kept their job, and what could I look for to make sure it doesn't happen to my kids.

My wife is a teacher and that helps prevent my kids ending up in the bad teachers classes.

It was back in the day when parents accepted violence to teach education to childrens.

It's not gonna happen now in modern times unless a teacher is eager to lose his job.

But to expand a bit, her repertoire consisted in:

Slaps in the face
Beating the top of our head with our diary (by year 2 i smartly bought a soft cover one)
Pulling and twisting a bit our ears
Some other stuff i can't rememeber.

 

[AJUMP23]

It was back in the day when parents accepted violence to teach education to childrens.

It's not gonna happen now in modern times unless a teacher is eager to lose his job.

But to expand a bit, her repertoire consisted in:

Slaps in the face
Beating the top of our head with our diary (by year 2 i smartly bought a soft cover one)
Pulling and twisting a bit our ears
Some other stuff i can't rememeber.

Wow I didn't know Italian schools were so violent. In the US when I was a kid in the 80s that wouldn't have happened. I went to private schools and the worst we got were ruler to the wrist for disobedience. If I got in trouble at school I got in trouble at home. But I was never abused.

I am glad it has changed. I assume they just hit you out of annoyance or because you didn't understand and they expected you to. I am not excusing it, I am just trying to figure out why a teacher would hit a student constantly. It seems so counterintuitive to learning.

 

[GymWolf]

Wow I didn't know Italian schools were so violent. In the US when I was a kid in the 80s that wouldn't have happened. I went to private schools and the worst we got were ruler to the wrist for disobedience. If I got in trouble at school I got in trouble at home. But I was never abused.

I am glad it has changed. I assume they just hit you out of annoyance or because you didn't understand and they expected you to. I am not excusing it, I am just trying to figure out why a teacher would hit a student constantly. It seems so counterintuitive to learning.

She beated both males and females almost every day for 5 years.

The reasons are what you can expect from childs at school like not doing the homework, doing a silent scene during an interrogation, chatting while she was explaining etc.

Forgot to explain that it was a private school.

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[Scotty W]

What this video needs is context. Did the kids see the mask before? Did they learn the truth about the mask after?

In any case, it was a dumb idea to do this, but people seem to be acting like children are trauma magnets. Everything and everything causes irreversible damage for life. It is simply not true.

 

[AJUMP23]

She beated both males and females almost every day for 5 years.

The reasons are what you can expect from childs at school like not doing the homework, doing a silent scene during an interrogation, chatting while she was explaining etc.

Forgot to explain that it was a private school.

I assumed it was a way of punishment. But man what a crappy teacher.

 

[Punished Miku]

Wow I didn't know Italian schools were so violent.

Legal system as well.