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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Good luck in finding scientists with sufficient expertise in bat coronaviruses that don't have some kind of direct or indirect tie to the premier Institute studying them in the country at the epicenter of most outbreaks.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
COVID-19 conspiracy theories thrive on social media platforms, EXCEPT Twitter
A new study suggests that while most social media amplified COVID-19 conspiracy theories during the pandemic, Twitter successfully curbed its
sapienjournal.org
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I've been seeing a stat shared around that Florida has one of the lowest per capita COVID rates in the country despite being anti-mandate.
True or purposely misleading?
True or purposely misleading?
xellos2099alpha
Member
False, not all job are offered such option.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It's possible it's true right now as they have reached their trough from their accelerated Delta wave. Overall I doubt it is true. For example after adjusting for population, my state of Virginia has roughly 2/3 the number of cases and deaths as Florida, and we have been pretty easy with the restrictions and have a lower unemployment rate than Florida.
funkygunther
Banned
theres some jobs you cannot quit from?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I don't even think its true. Florida has one of the highest rates according to this:
• U.S. COVID-19 case rate by state | Statista
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Thats the overall, so yeah they are near the top there, but currently they only have roughly 2000 new cases per day for the whole state which is about 10 cases per 100000 pop.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Welcome to the end of the argument:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Florida's rate has been going down since a couple of months ago, as would be expected since these things come and go in waves. I don't know what Florida's rates are now relative to other states, but it would be reasonable to assume that lots of Floridians achieved natural immunity because so many of them were exposed to the virus.
The downside of this "natural immunity", however, is that so many people were exposed to the actual virus which led to actual deaths. Vaccine immunity is much more preferable because you achieve the same immunological response, without putting people in danger.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
it could be. regardless, it tells us nothing about the efficacy of vaccine mandates
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Well I think if you look at post-vaccine introduction, Florida is leading the country in cases/deaths. The disparity in the curves between, say, New York and Florida is pretty striking - especially for deaths. So I'm not sure that being "anti-mandate" is helping. Having numbers come down after the variant has burned through the population and killed a bunch of people isn't really anything to celebrate.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
That’s what I’m trying to find out. Is there any data that isn’t contextual that proves vaccine mandates have done anything to make any significant difference?
T8SC
Member
So two booster jabs a year for the rest of our lives?
Just watched a program that essentially said cases are up because "we were quick off the mark with vaccines and they're now wearing off" ... Amazing, can't wait to get jabbed twice a year for the rest of my life because this isn't going to just disappear.
Just watched a program that essentially said cases are up because "we were quick off the mark with vaccines and they're now wearing off" ... Amazing, can't wait to get jabbed twice a year for the rest of my life because this isn't going to just disappear.
What I'm finding weird is that they're not actually at the bottom of vaccination rates. They're number 22 if you look at fully vaccinated. (Right below Delaware)
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
What makes you think we'll need two booster "jabs" a year? Even Israel is only offering one.
Anyways, more illustrative data on the vaccine coming out Saskatchewan (Canada):
Vaccinated people are 6x less likely to be infected
13x less likely to be hospitalized
28x less likely to be admitted to the ICU
https://thestarphoenix.com/news/sas...ab-says-saskatchewan-at-fateful-turning-point
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Rip teezzy we barely knew ye
TheFarter
Banned
What are those numbers for people who've already had it?
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Your two vaccinations shots will help you not die.
If you do shuffle off this mortal plane, can I claim your tuna? Just one bucket.
Physiognomonics
Member
Remember this is a disease (here a virus) like many others. How do the doctors usually help people fighting a disease? Find a doctor that will help you (other than giving you a paracetamol).
Vaccine or not vaccine, treatments will help you. Good luck to you.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Well that's true to some extent, but then why not use a vaccine with no chance of spontaneous deadly side-effects? Something less experimental-sounding than an mRNA vaccine to rewire your genetic response like some kind of Stargate 'retrovirus'?
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Messenger RNA is being used right now by your cells to relay information and tell them to make whatever protein(s) they need. It's fundamental, and the vaccines certainly aren't "rewiring" anything. The scientists that developed it figured out they could use mRNA to tell cells to create the spike protein used by SARS-CoV-2. Your immune system then sees this new protein and says "hey this is foreign and bad - let's destroy them. Also, now we know how to destroy them in the future, fellow members of the immune system".
And it was experimental prior to their development (though they've been researching using mRNA in such a way for years now). Now they are extremely well known and been administered to billions of people. Like what could now be considered "traditional" vaccines, all they're doing is provoking a response and training one's immune system. It's not magic.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Yes, but "traditional" viral vector vaccines just cause symptoms of the original disease, in lesser form. And there's the usual bout of people with peculiar allergies, because there's always someone allergic to something. But I don't think there's anything like the sudden death issues (i.e. heart issues) the user I was replying to referenced that are the problem with forcing people to vaccinate.
edit: Like, I understand the science behind it, but not the scope of engineering - biology is a friggin' complex thing, and while directly pulling the 'levers' via mRNA may be just as effective, there's always the danger of snagging the wrong lever in the process - a problem that's not present if you train the body via means it's designed for.
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
They're ("traditional" vaccines) still just genetic material of some kind (modified germ, inert germ, whichever) that provokes the same immune response in the end. And all vaccines (and simpler inoculations) carry some risk.
Furthermore, just looking at the statistics between both major mRNA vaccines and J&J (which uses a disabled adenovirus like many pre-existing vaccines, as I am sure you know), we can conclude they're not significantly more risky, and in the case of Moderna, even far more effective. So win win.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Look, I'm not against mRNA vaccines. Whatever works as far as I'm concerned (but I still like that our Sputnik is of the viral vector kind, heh
). I just want to understand why this is a problem:When it's basically impossible to die from a viral vector vaccine unless you are terminally immunocompromised or severely allergic - i.e. likely to die anyway if you come into contact with a virus and thus shouldn't set foot outside of a hospital cleanroom, and the entire discussion of vaccine mandates for you is pointless.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Look, I'm not against mRNA vaccines. Whatever works as far as I'm concerned (but I still like that our Sputnik is of the viral vector kind, heh
When it's basically impossible to die from a viral vector vaccine unless you are terminally immunocompromised or severely allergic - i.e. likely to die anyway if you come into contact with a virus and thus shouldn't set foot outside of a hospital cleanroom, and the entire discussion of vaccine mandates for you is pointless.
An individual doesn't only vaccinate to protect themselves, they do so to help protect everyone else. This way an outbreak can be squashed before it comes endemic, or can be managed if it happens to become endemic.
And if we're talking about statistics and percentages, it's "virtually impossible" to die from any vaccine, ever, including the new mRNA vaccines.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
And therefore, why is that risk of death a problem? I'm not actually asking you at this point, I want to know that other user's point of view.
teezzy
Banned
DaleinCalgary
Member
Well at least you admit it. Hopefully it passes soon and you don't get any long term effects. But if you do hey at least you have memories of things you used to do.I never got the shots. Not anti vax, just dumb
I don't feel too bad honestly
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Even if you don't feel like anything's happening to you, I'd still recommend getting a scan of your lungs done in a week or so. Just to stay on the safe side. It's an insidious thing, it can do gradual damage that you may not notice until it's too late. Just speaking anecdotally here, a friend of my mother's was also mostly asymptomatic until she started coughing and went to do a scan. Turned out she already had like 30% of her lungs damaged and had to be hospitalized.I never got the shots. Not anti vax, just dumb
I don't feel too bad honestly
It obviously doesn't hit everyone the same, but I would still recommend due diligence.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I never got the shots. Not anti vax, just dumb
I don't feel too bad honestly
As others have said, keep a close eye on it. Chances are you’ll be fine, but delta can be a bitch, so best to be careful. Get well soon.
Metallix87
Member
NIH Admits to Funding Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan, Says EcoHealth Violated Reporting Requirements
A top NIH official admitted that U.S. taxpayers funded gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.
Can I interest you all in Dr. Fauci confirmed lying in hearings, and Senator Rand Paul was correct all along about gain-of-functuon research in Wuhan?
SpiceRacz
Member
NIH Admits to Funding Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan, Says EcoHealth Violated Reporting Requirements
A top NIH official admitted that U.S. taxpayers funded gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.www.yahoo.com
Can I interest you all in Dr. Fauci confirmed lying in hearings, and Senator Rand Paul was correct all along about gain-of-functuon research in Wuhan?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The mRNA approach is more similar to the way natural infection works, not less. When you get infected with a virus, you get the viral RNA or DNA 'injected' into your cells, and from there it starts making viral proteins inside your cells, same as how the mRNA vaccines work.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I see nothing in that letter about gain of function research?
SpiceRacz
Member
Why are you quoting me about that? I didn't post the article.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I see nothing in the letter about gain of function research?NIH Admits to Funding Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan, Says EcoHealth Violated Reporting Requirements
A top NIH official admitted that U.S. taxpayers funded gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.
Can I interest you all in Dr. Fauci confirmed lying in hearings, and Senator Rand Paul was correct all along about gain-of-functuon research in Wuhan?
Metallix87
Member
He describes what would be considered gain-of-function research by the definition, but avoids using the term, yes.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Covid: Virus may have killed 80k-180k health workers, WHO says
The global health body says healthcare workers should be prioritised for vaccination.
www.bbc.com
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
No he doesn't.
Edit: Gain of function - I mean it exactly describes what it is. It means performing genetic alterations or using selective pressure to allow an organism to gain a function it previously didn't have. For semantic purposes you could say they were performing mouse gain of function research, but we aren't having a problem with deadly mice, but with a deadly coronavirus.
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QSD
Member
As far as I understand that article, it's the virus that's gaining functions, not the mice, who only got sicker. They were trying to make the virus more transmissible...?
Metallix87
Member
Cyberpunkd
Member
Hello! Long time no post.
News from France: government managed to give itself a possibility to extend the vaccination pass till end of summer next year. The vote passed by one so…GG!
Also the tests stopped being free last week for those that are not vaccinated and without the medical prescription.
Also in typical French fashion ‘we are thinking about it’ aka ‘we will do it 100%’ those eligible for a third dose will probably need to take it if they want vaccination certificate to remain valid.
That’s all for now, vive la France, vive la république!
News from France: government managed to give itself a possibility to extend the vaccination pass till end of summer next year. The vote passed by one so…GG!
Also the tests stopped being free last week for those that are not vaccinated and without the medical prescription.
Also in typical French fashion ‘we are thinking about it’ aka ‘we will do it 100%’ those eligible for a third dose will probably need to take it if they want vaccination certificate to remain valid.
That’s all for now, vive la France, vive la république!
QSD
Member
As a general PSA
why we should be extremely hesitant to fund this type of research:
TheContact
Member
what's the reason the US would support this kind of research? seems like a bad idea all around. trust china? no thanks.
something to note too is that gain of function wasn't performed with the covid virus, so it didn't lead to covid
and while fauci said otherwise under oath, it's possible he wasn't aware of any NIH research, but then he should have said "i'm not aware", unless it was kept from him.
if he deliberately lied, then he should be charged.
something to note too is that gain of function wasn't performed with the covid virus, so it didn't lead to covid
and while fauci said otherwise under oath, it's possible he wasn't aware of any NIH research, but then he should have said "i'm not aware", unless it was kept from him.
if he deliberately lied, then he should be charged.