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China calls for less 'effeminate' men in videogames and bans 'gay love'

Claus Grimhildyr

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Judging by this thread; GAF is full of folks fine with censorship as long as it's censoring the things they don't like.

Reminds me of someplace else, someplace... purple.

Although this example? It's ACTUAL CENSORSHIP.. meaning the government cracking down on things. Not people campaigning for change, which sure, is generically censorship, but being supportive of an authoritarian government censoring things is a whole 'nother level.. and GAF is apparently a hot spot for that kind of thinking.

BTW I don't think the forum's no politics rule applies to gaming stories that are highly political like this one.

I think you and I have interpreted most of the folks posts here as wildly different.

Most folks aren't OK with censorship in any way, shape or form. However, being stuck between a rock and a hard place, they would rather take what they consider the lesser of two evils, in this case the CCP, to the mind numbing cancer that has filled the gaming industry and turned men from David Jaffee GOW 1 to David Jaffee modern day. Emasculated, spineless weasels who can't use any critical thought.

Personally, I see a good middle ground. People ignoring china and ignoring the fuckwits that fill the industry. Designing the games they want to design instead of appeasing and changing their visions to suit focus test groups and social media cunts.

As for the No politics rule, I think its pretty firm on not derailing things into left vs right, americanocentric BS that diverges from the topic of the original post. Sure a mod can help if we step out of line though.
 

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Most folks aren't OK with censorship in any way, shape or form. However, being stuck between a rock and a hard place, they would rather take what they consider the lesser of two evils, in this case the CCP, to the mind numbing cancer that has filled the gaming industry and turned men from David Jaffee GOW 1 to David Jaffee modern day. Emasculated, spineless weasels who can't use any critical thought.

Not OK with censorship.. but would rather take authoritarian government censorship than companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games, because you don't like what they are doing with said games?

Fucking LO Fucking L.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr

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Not OK with censorship.. but would rather take authoritarian government censorship than companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games, because you don't like what they are doing with said games?

Fucking LO Fucking L.

Except we actively *don't* have companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games. We have companies pushing censorship on titles, demanding changes made, and actively shitting on established lore/franchises to push blatant political agendas.

Both are fucking terrible. I would love to see both get the middle finger and devs actually get the freedom to make what they want to make - but the reality is *that isn't what is happening*.

Claiming otherwise shows how far your head is in the sand.
 

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Except we actively *don't* have companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games. We have companies pushing censorship on titles, demanding changes made, and actively shitting on established lore/franchises to push blatant political agendas.

Both are fucking terrible. I would love to see both get the middle finger and devs actually get the freedom to make what they want to make - but the reality is *that isn't what is happening*.

Claiming otherwise shows how far your head is in the sand.
I see the problem, you don't know what words mean.
 

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Except we actively *don't* have companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games. We have companies pushing censorship on titles, demanding changes made, and actively shitting on established lore/franchises to push blatant political agendas.
Sooo companies, devs, artists are doing what they want with their title?

You are saying the same thing but with a more emotional incendiary rhetoric.
 
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Sooo companies, devs, artists are doing what they want with their title?

But you would rather an authoritarian government dictate what companies, devs, artist put in their game?
Yes, but you must understand, they in no way, shape or form support censorship.*

* excludes censorship of things they don't like by authoritarian governments

Oh.. and HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS IS FROM YESTERDAY LOL:


Blizzard is just another hand of the CCP. They use the current situation to frame their censorship, but in reality its all done to appease papa Pooh Bear.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr

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Sooo companies, devs, artists are doing what they want with their title?

But you would rather an authoritarian government dictate what companies, devs, artist put in their game?

Again, they actively aren't. We have had a great many number of devs and companies being forced to change their vision on their titles. They have no free autonomy to design what they like, how they like to do it, or in what methods they prefer.

And no, I don't. Read my posts again. I would rather both be told to fuck off. However, I can see where folks are coming from when they prefer the CCP to the other side of the censorship bullshit we are dealing with. Both are censorship being forced on dev teams, being told exactly how to design their titles. Both are asinine and neither are OK. Which has been my point with every post in this thread.

You and a few others seem to be afraid at even attempting to understand where the other viewpoints come from and shut them down outright. Maybe y'all should look at who is "acting like the purple place" here? You would probably be surprised to find you are simply staring at a mirror.

Yes, but you must understand, they in no way, shape or form support censorship.*

* excludes censorship of things they don't like by authoritarian governments

Reading comprehension seems to be a tough task for you. Easier to create strawman arguments, huh?

EDIT: And you just continue to prove my point. Reading comprehension and critical thinking. Not your strong suit. Maybe Era would be the better place for you.
 
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Except we actively *don't* have companies/devs/artists doing what they want with their games. We have companies pushing censorship on titles, demanding changes made, and actively shitting on established lore/franchises to push blatant political agendas.

Both are fucking terrible. I would love to see both get the middle finger and devs actually get the freedom to make what they want to make - but the reality is *that isn't what is happening*.

Claiming otherwise shows how far your head is in the sand.
Which further makes me miss the 90s and first decade of the 2000s in gaming creativity and freedoms.
 
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Reading comprehension seems to be a tough task for you. Easier to create strawman arguments, huh?

EDIT: And you just continue to prove my point. Reading comprehension and critical thinking. Not your strong suit. Maybe Era would be the better place for you.

Derp derp era would be the better place derp derp.

How original, never heard that one before.
 
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These comments surprise me. Are you guys not always complaining about Life is Strange and other gay centric games? Or is it only an issue when it's a masculine and/or gay females in games?
 
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These comments surprise me. Are you guys not always complaining about Life is Strange and other gay centric games? Or is it only an issue when it's a masculine and/or gay females in games?

Do you actually read people's complaints or do you just cherry pick the ones to give your strawman argument more ground?

The vast majority of people complain about the poor writing, not the inclusion of gay characters.
 

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so in one hand. The west is forcing gay stuff and purple haired weirdos down our throats
on the other hand. The other side don’t allow them to exist

I mean, fucking lol. Come up with something in the middle for fucks sake.
However . I do agree with no sexiest stuff talk or anything related to it to kids.
Why the fuck a 7 years old girl has to know about this ?
As a father of 2 kids, if the teacher at my kids school start to do this shit, I promise I will give her / him hell. Keep your shitty beliefs to your self. Kids has nothing to do with.
 
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The vast majority of people complain about the poor writing, not the inclusion of gay characters.
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He does have a point. Most know LiS is a gay centric themed series. People enjoyed the first one, yes, even on here, due to the much better writing and cohesion to the story. Then it all went downhill from there story wise, etc., which most can agree.

Kind of similar in the way Stranger Things went as well. First season great, after that, trying too hard to make things they thought was what made it successful, stand out. Detriment to the story and character development that made it great to begin with. Started feeling parody and 4th wall.
 
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He does have a point. Most know LiS is a gay centric themed series. People enjoyed the first one, yes, even on here, due to the much better writing and cohesion to the story. Then it all went downhill from there story wise, etc., which most can agree.
Interesting, because more often than not I've seen people downplaying the games by the LiS-dev's (except maybe Remember Me) as being lesser games and it's usually based entirely on superficialities and the typical SJW/LGBT-yackety-yak. Given the reactions of several other games, I sincerely doubt that most just critique the writing and nothing else.
 

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Exactly. However, sadly this is lost on a number of folks in this thread.
Literally has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, other than you guys using it to justify censorship while saying out of the other corner of you mouth you don't support it. "Well I said I only support it UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES" is not how "not supporting it in any way, shape or form" works buddy.

I think hot chicks in games are great... I also think devs should do what they want, even if that means catering to people who don't want tiddies in games. That's their choice, as everyone has the actual FREEDOM to make games how they want to. And people have the FREEDOM to criticize them too.

That's what freedom is, not your warped sense of it, that includes governments forcing companies to make games a certain way lol
 
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Interesting, because more often than not I've seen people downplaying the games by the LiS-dev's (except maybe Remember Me) as being lesser games and it's usually based entirely on superficialities and the typical SJW/LGBT-yackety-yak. Given the reactions of several other games, I sincerely doubt that most just critique the writing and nothing else.
Search the discussion threads on here, there are plenty of good discourse on the game series. While there will always be those in which you describe, they are not in any way the majority of the discussion or critique.

Literally has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, other than you guys using it to justify censorship
Find my posts where I did any of this, I'll wait.

 
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Find my posts where I did any of this, I'll wait.


I wasn't talking to you.. lol

I meant... the people using it to justify censorship.. which the guy I quoted is. And clearly quite a few people in this thread support it too.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr

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Interesting, because more often than not I've seen people downplaying the games by the LiS-dev's (except maybe Remember Me) as being lesser games and it's usually based entirely on superficialities and the typical SJW/LGBT-yackety-yak. Given the reactions of several other games, I sincerely doubt that most just critique the writing and nothing else.

People decry slacktvist-bent writing, which almost always involves tokenism and shallow character writing. There is a reason why people criticize the likes of LiS 2 and Outer Worlds and not NieR or TLOU1 (just for a few examples), despite all of them having LGBT characters. The latter two has decent to great writing, memorable characters with defined personalities, and the former don't.

If you actually bothered to try and understand where these criticisms were coming from, you would have learned this - but you didn't.


Not any more edgy than entering a thread and crying that you blocked people.

Literally has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, other than you guys using it to justify censorship while saying out of the other corner of you mouth you don't support it. "Well I said I only support it UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES" is not how "not supporting it in any way, shape or form" works buddy.

I think hot chicks in games are great... I also think devs should do what they want, even if that means catering to people who don't want tiddies in games. That's their choice, as everyone has the actual FREEDOM to make games how they want to. And people have the FREEDOM to criticize them too.

That's what freedom is, not your warped sense of it, that includes governments forcing companies to make games a certain way lol

Again, I haven't "justified' censorship. I just bothered to take the time to see where other people are coming from. You going to actually discuss or continue to use strawman arguments and purposefully be contrarian for contrarian's sake?
 
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You ask for government to regulate games.
The games get regulated for the government liking.

Shocking...
 

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I like Control but the main character is a girl with the face of a man. Kind of hilarious. The rest I can agree with even if I heavily prefer OG Lara Croft.
Ironically I find og lara croft a bit Manish in the face. She does have bigger tiddies though.
 

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People decry slacktvist-bent writing, which almost always involves tokenism and shallow character writing. There is a reason why people criticize the likes of LiS 2 and Outer Worlds and not NieR or TLOU1 (just for a few examples), despite all of them having LGBT characters. The latter two has decent to great writing, memorable characters with defined personalities, and the former don't.

If you actually bothered to try and understand where these criticisms were coming from, you would have learned this - but you didn't.



Not any more edgy than entering a thread and crying that you blocked people.



Again, I haven't "justified' censorship. I just bothered to take the time to see where other people are coming from. You going to actually discuss or continue to use strawman arguments and purposefully be contrarian for contrarian's sake?
I was participating in the thread, I didn't 'enter the thread and block'. You do you though. See all the conversations you're involved in...there might be a story there...I wonder what it could be?
 
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The bill introduces three new powers for law-enforcement agencies:

  1. “data disruption warrants” allow authorities to “disrupt data” by copying, deleting or modifying data as they see fit
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  3. “account takeover warrants” let agencies take control of an online account (such as a social media account) to gather information for an investigation.
There is also an “emergency authorisation” procedure that allows these activities without a warrant under certain circumstances.

They are overblowing things. Also, Aus has the freedom to vote in a new government to change these things....or are they proposing that Aus is moving to a one party state too.

True it is does need warrants, I was wrong. But you cherry picked that blogpost and chose the least offensive blogpost about it.

Australia is really a two party system and both parties jointly made this bill.

You dont realize how corrupt the police are here. The police already lie about people they arrested. This bill just allows them more avenues to lie about people.

The warrants could be issued if you sent an innocuous link. Modify it to make it dangerous and use it in court to put you behind bars. A lot of people will be sent to jail because they are unaware of this.


These are the kind of cops we have in Australia:
 

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I was participating in the thread, I didn't 'enter the thread and block'. You do you though. See all the conversations you're involved in...there might be a story there...I wonder what it could be?
Uh… I mean you did enter this thread and gloat about blocking people 🤷‍♂️
 

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so in one hand. The west is forcing gay stuff and purple haired weirdos down our throats
on the other hand. The other side don’t allow them to exist

I mean, fucking lol. Come up with something in the middle for fucks sake.
However . I do agree with no sexiest stuff talk or anything related to it to kids.
Why the fuck a 7 years old girl has to know about this ?
As a father of 2 kids, if the teacher at my kids school start to do this shit, I promise I will give her / him hell. Keep your shitty beliefs to your self. Kids has nothing to do with.
ep your shitty beliefs to your self. Kids has nothing to do with.

They are doing worse than that and it's been happening for a while now. The west is fucked. I've seen a few other school board meeting vids like this one in the last month

 

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For children's games yes. I believe that any depection of sexuality should be restricted on children's games. For games for mature audiences then no problem.
Not gonna lie, I only ever see this argument when it involves LGBT+ characters. Harry and Ginny kissing in Harry Potter or the many Disney princess movies that involve the heroine falling in love with the handsome and charming prince? Never a peep. As soon as the characters are gay however, it's "Oh, I dOn'T sUpPoRt AnY kInD oF sExUaLiTy iN cHiLdReN's EnTeRtAiNmEnT rEgArDlEsS oF pReFeReNcE!"

I know it's anecdotal, but I have legit never witnessed anyone complaining about the many hetero relationships depicted in children's entertainment until they get called out on their nonsense like right now, and it's wildly inconsistent. As soon as you bring it up however, they always backpedal and claim that it's all sexuality that they're opposed to. I wonder why that is?

Queer people existing isn't a political agenda. Quit being a snowflake.
 

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I was participating in the thread, I didn't 'enter the thread and block'. You do you though. See all the conversations you're involved in...there might be a story there...I wonder what it could be?

Participating? Your entire post history in this thread are one sentence posts of bitching/moaning about other people with no discussion value whatsoever, then you cry that you had to block people. You have had no valuable discussion brought in here.

I bothered to try and see where other people are coming from, to help facilitate an actual discussion - why don't you try and do the same, as its clear you haven't even bothered to try? Or is that something you are incapable of doing?
 
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I am saying it is the end result of all this stuff. You are going to be sent to jail for the dumbest shit in the future. As we lose more and more freedom I am starting to side more and more with China and the Islam. But yeah Islam before China.
You can already be sent to jail for the dumbest shit over there, and you're siding with them because of your theory that we may be like that in the future.

This guy is beyond GAF. Someone get this fellow a PhD. Dude you need to write a thesis on this shit, it would be WORLD CHANGING.
 
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Not gonna lie, I only ever see this argument when it involves LGBT+ characters. Harry and Ginny kissing in Harry Potter or the many Disney princess movies that involve the heroine falling in love with the handsome and charming prince? Never a peep. As soon as the characters are gay however, it's "Oh, I dOn'T sUpPoRt AnY kInD oF sExUaLiTy iN cHiLdReN's EnTeRtAiNmEnT rEgArDlEsS oF pReFeReNcE!"

I know it's anecdotal, but I have legit never witnessed anyone complaining about the many hetero relationships depicted in children's entertainment until they get called out on their nonsense like right now, and it's wildly inconsistent. As soon as you bring it up however, they always backpedal and claim that it's all sexuality that they're opposed to. I wonder why that is?

Queer people existing isn't a political agenda. Quit being a snowflake.
Kissing and relationships isnt an issue. It when they sexualize Harry or Ginny in their underwear I have a problem. Its is just another form of paedophilia at that point.
 
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Not gonna lie, I only ever see this argument when it involves LGBT+ characters. Harry and Ginny kissing in Harry Potter or the many Disney princess movies that involve the heroine falling in love with the handsome and charming prince? Never a peep. As soon as the characters are gay however, it's "Oh, I dOn'T sUpPoRt AnY kInD oF sExUaLiTy iN cHiLdReN's EnTeRtAiNmEnT rEgArDlEsS oF pReFeReNcE!"

I know it's anecdotal, but I have legit never witnessed anyone complaining about the many hetero relationships depicted in children's entertainment until they get called out on their nonsense like right now, and it's wildly inconsistent. As soon as you bring it up however, they always backpedal and claim that it's all sexuality that they're opposed to. I wonder why that is?

Queer people existing isn't a political agenda. Quit being a snowflake.

No man, it will be fine. As long as we all agree to move off to an island of everyone's choice, and promise to never venture forth. As long as we don't ever show affection, participate in art and movies, and keep a 100 miles radius from any child ever. Then I think everyone can rest peacefully knowing the big strong pure re-masculinized men can properly defend our shores.

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You can already be sent to jail for the dumbest shit over there, and you're siding with them because of your theory that we may be like that in the future.

This guy is beyond GAF. Someone get this fellow a PhD. Dude you need to write a thesis on this shit, it would be WORLD CHANGING.
Who says I side with them now. Clearly I was talking about how i was heading there.
 

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Who says I side with them now. Clearly I was talking about how i was heading there.

"Man, I really like them because of their forced stance on videogame characters that is actually taking freedom away, but IDK. I guess I just can't get over the death camps."