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112.3 million PS4's sold. 45 million PS Plus subscribers as of June, 2020. TLOUII and Ghost of Tsushima selling well.

150 million PS4 sold achievable in the next 2 years?


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Gediminas

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They will probably price the ps5 too high and then offer the ps4 at a much lower price and change their "generations" spin once they see how well the ps4 continues to sell. All the "next gen only" talk will go out the window and we will continue to see a ton of cross gen titles for the next 2 years plus.
sounds like made up post. xbox crowd looks very desperate i see 🤡 🤡 :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

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This is low quality trolling... you two do not care about sales, it is a mystery why you do not really puzzling 🤔, and you come into a thread announcing their financial reports to troll people who care for it? This is starting to sound pathetic mate...
Hypocritical gang green at it again. Anyway, back on topic. Sony executives are making it rain in their suites with the latest earnings.

Hookers, blow, and single player games for everyone at Sonyland right now.
 
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Awesome news, Playstation is crushing it. Well-deserved, they took risks and it paid off: huge investments in AAA singleplayer games & I am sooooo happy the games exist.

One of the best generations of gaming ever for me personally (going back to C64 days).
 
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Awesome news, Playstation is crushing it. Well-deserved, they took risks and it paid off: huge investments in AAA singleplayer games & I am sooooo happy the games exist.

One of the best generations of gaming ever for me personally (going back to C64 days).

For me every generation of PlayStation has been great, but PS2 and PS4 have been the most memorable out of them all for me.
 
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Awesome news, Playstation is crushing it. Well-deserved, they took risks and it paid off: huge investments in AAA singleplayer games & I am sooooo happy the games exist.

One of the best generations of gaming ever for me personally (going back to C64 days).

I just wish that they'd take more actual risks with their singleplayer games.
I know a lot of people will disagree about this, but photorealistic games that are all narrative driven completely filled to the brim with AAA gaming trends like shoved in RPG elements open world or flirting with the idea of open world.
They're so oversaturated and I am sorry but I don't think that they're risky games.
I think that their games play it as safe as you possibly could and are designed for mass appeal.

It's why I have no interest in PS4 and PS5, because yeah there's Gravity Rush I guess?
But their games feel so incredibly samey to me.
The games honestly feels like they could be coming from the same studio to me.
Nothing about them surprise me.

They really don't have a diverse library of games at all as far as their first party exclusives go.
People can get mad at me all that they want but I think that it's true.
I dunno how people can spend an entire generation essentially playing more or less the same games with a different coat of paint.
 
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120m will happen but no way 150m.

People will move on from the old console quite quickly, quicker than we've seen in the past I'd say.
Don't forget all the grandmas that takes adv. of the PS4 pricedrops once the PS5 hits and even more cuts in price before it reaches the end of it's lifecycle.

I'm quite sure it will reach 150 in two years.
 
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they say it wont beat PS2 but... its still out pacing it and still selling for 300$.
a 1tb ssd sata4 Discless super slim ps4 with 2 months psnow for 150... pffff. Or a PS4GO.
 
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Maybe MS gave him some numbers.

That shilling has to pay for something... :messenger_winking:

I think they'll hit 130m when they drop the price to $199.

They're gonna position the PS4/Pro as the Lockhart equivalent - pricing accordingly or even undercutting.


they say it wont beat PS2 but... its still out pacing it and still selling for 300$.
a 1tb ssd sata4 Discless super slim ps4 with 2 months psnow for 150... pffff. Or a PS4GO.

The difference between the PS2 and the PS4 is that the PS5 is not looking like a PS3 disaster in the making. Faster adoption of PS5 will make it less likely that the PS4 reaches that mark in 2 years of the healthy sales life it has left. PS5 pricing will be key.
 
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I think 130m is possible. The PS4 will probably see a good holiday season which will get it above 120. I feel the drop off won't be as bad as the 360 and PS3. These consoles, especially the Pro versions, are still sound enough. Especially at a reduced price. Cross gen will also be a thing for a time, and it won't be as bad as the PS3 -> PS4 difference.

The PS2 was simply the best system you could buy in 2006. It was dirt cheap and there was no PS3. Even in 2007 the system was still a better option than the PS3, and a good and cheap alternative for the 360. I think PS2 outsold the 360 in 2007 as well.

I was wrong about 2007:


As you can see the 360 overtook the PS2 when Halo came out in Sept. and eventually outsold it for the remainder of the year (MW ofcourse). WW I wouldn't rule out PS2 beating 360 (probably not Wii).
 
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120m will happen but no way 150m.

People will move on from the old console quite quickly, quicker than we've seen in the past I'd say.

Depends. If they make a PS4 micro on 7nm and slash the price then I think it can have long legs.
 

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Incredibly impressive numbers. Not sure how OP can rationalize another 38 million after the PS5 launch. As it has been noted, getting to 120 million will be difficult, but not impossible.

It would also make the PS4 the 3rd best selling console of all time!
 
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Incredibly impressive numbers. Not sure how OP can rationalize another 38 million after the PS5 launch. As it has been noted, getting to 120 million will be difficult, but not impossible.

It would also make the PS4 the 3rd best selling console of all time!

Just a question to get some discussion going since numbers are boring. Votes are public - look at mine.

Slim chance but hey.... (PS5 could be $600)
 
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Bankai

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I just wish that they'd take more actual risks with their singleplayer games.
I know a lot of people will disagree about this, but photorealistic games that are all narrative driven completely filled to the brim with AAA gaming trends like shoved in RPG elements open world or flirting with the idea of open world.
They're so oversaturated and I am sorry but I don't think that they're risky games.
I think that their games play it as safe as you possibly could and are designed for mass appeal.

It's why I have no interest in PS4 and PS5, because yeah there's Gravity Rush I guess?
But their games feel so incredibly samey to me.
The games honestly feels like they could be coming from the same studio to me.
Nothing about them surprise me.

They really don't have a diverse library of games at all as far as their first party exclusives go.
People can get mad at me all that they want but I think that it's true.
I dunno how people can spend an entire generation essentially playing more or less the same games with a different coat of paint.

I understand what you mean, though I disagree. When I compare the experience I've had from playing games like God of War, Last of Us 2, Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn, they all differ greatly. I went though different emotions and gameplay didn't feel the same at all. They all managed to really affect me, one way or another.

Add to other AAA SP PS4 games to this roster, like Spider-man, Ratchet & Clank, Detroit, Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus and Until Dawn and I feel this has been one one the best generations ever.

I do agree with you on some level, mostly thematically they can be alike. That's the reason I haven't played Days Gone yet - it looked like a buggy TLOU.. but hey, I think I'll give it a chance now that it's all patched up.
 

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Sony are ripping it up. Next quarter they'll have the continued Covid effect, ghost, continued TLOU2 so it should be big.

Insane to see the profits they will start next gen with compared to the losses for previous gens. Digital rate is awesome. Sony killing their traditional console rival

On the ps4. It's a shame they didn't manufacture more. Still ahead of the PS2 aligned which is incredible. But if they did a super slim earlier this year, cut it to $199 and sold it for a few years they would have done 150M+.

Their strategy looks like all in on the ps5 which surely means a €399 console that they'll cut to €299 in probably 2 years. Maybe they'll continue to sell the ps4 but hard to see them caring too much and reducing the price.
 
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Three

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45 million subs? I thought it would be higher than that. That's like just under 0.5 attach rate. I wonder how many are secondary accounts etc. I think it would be more interesting to see how many playstations took advantage of +features instead
That's the normal attach rate for these services. It was the same during the height of the 360


Paid Gold subscribers? Care to provide a link?
It doesn't. His ass. Even if every single Xbox one user subscribed (A crazy dream) you would be looking at something close in numbers.
 
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JerryinSoCal

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Software numbers like the ones Sony posted show why they don't want to do a GP service, they'd lose too much money and I don't blame them, especially with such a high percentage of digital sales.
 

cormack12

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That's the normal attach rate for these services. It was the same during the height of the 360

You'd expect growth though. Bigger market, transition to more service based games that aren't f2p etc. more benefits, changing demograph.....lack of a fluctuation either way just leads to more questions imo.

Does anyone know what the tail end of the market looks like? Countries in Latin America, India etc. If they are just getting penetration there then you'd have to say they have at least another three years in those places, and it the console is more affordable then it could have a boost in sales as well.
 

Kdad

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I never get why gamers have become obsessed with sales numbers? I mean if you enjoy their product and i do then just enjoy it.
I dont care about sales numbers relative to other consoles but i do care that the platform i invest in is healthy as it is a lot of money being sunk into this hobby...if sales tank, developers stop creating software and i'm sitting here with an expensive console with not much to play (See the story of the WiiU).

So yes, i do like to know my platform choice is doing well as it is an indicator of future support.

Does it matter at THIS stage ... probably not, I think developers would feel confident creating software for the PS5 given SONY's long history of 80 million + console sales per generation, now its more about putting this gen into the context of SONY's history and an indicator of health/not health within the console market given the growth in alternative gaming platforms (streaming/mobile)
 
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You'd expect growth though. Bigger market, transition to more service based games that aren't f2p etc. more benefits, changing demograph.....lack of a fluctuation either way just leads to more questions imo.

Does anyone know what the tail end of the market looks like? Countries in Latin America, India etc. If they are just getting penetration there then you'd have to say they have at least another three years in those places, and it the console is more affordable then it could have a boost in sales as well.
If anything in terms of online games I think we have transitioned to more f2p games (Fortnite, Apex legends, CoD: Warzone, Warframe, Rocket League etc) for which a PS+ sub is not required. It's a percentage too so a bigger market wouldn't affect it.
 
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ToadMan

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I never get why gamers have become obsessed with sales numbers? I mean if you enjoy their product and i do then just enjoy it.

I don’t understand why they aren’t.

Like any enterprise, healthy profits = investment and that means more and better games.

It also entices other companies to compete for the $$$ which again increases choice and quality.

A dying platform or market segment isn’t going get quality games by comparison.
 

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But its coming to the end of life and people still obsessed with sales, the games are coming to and end of life on PS4 to as sony invested in ps5 now.

just buy the games and enjoy them, i personally just find the sales threads a bit bizarre as if all these gamers have shares in sony or summit

You find them bizarre yet you're here ?
If it was ms numbers no doubt you and few others would be making your own threads and shouting from the rooftops .
 

ZywyPL

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I never get why gamers have become obsessed with sales numbers? I mean if you enjoy their product and i do then just enjoy it.

That's just a part of the console wars, the biggest one actually, notice it doesn't happen on PC, no one cares how many CPUs exactly does AMD or Intel sell, how many RTX GPUs Nvidia shipped, there's no Asus vs Gigabyte wars, no nothing. That's just the way it goes, let the kids have their fun.
 

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This is low quality trolling... you two do not care about sales, it is a mystery why you do not really puzzling 🤔, and you come into a thread announcing their financial reports to troll people who care for it? This is starting to sound pathetic mate...
Seriously? I see you everywhere making fun of Spencer even though it's obvious you actually don't care about him or his company and yet you are complaining about a harmless joke like this? Don't throw bricks when you live in a glass house.
 

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If anything in terms of online games I think we have transitioned to more f2p games (Fortnite, Apex legends, CoD: Warzone, Warframe, Rocket League etc) for which a PS+ sub is not required. It's a percentage too so a bigger market wouldn't affect it.

They're a market yeah, but I can't see them taking subs from traditional GTA:O, GT:S, COD/BF players, FUT/HUT, myTeam players for example. Plus, I hardly play onine and I still have a PS+ membership so it's not a convincing measurement. 0.4 attach rate might be growth though - from an even lower number (e.g. 0.25). I'm just surprised it's that low.

2017 it seemed to be an attach rate of 0.34, so it was lower and that was up from 2016

And if you do some basic math, it looks like 2016 was about 20million subs from 53.5million sales which actually trends a little higher on the attach rate at 0.36. So it looks like the attach rate is growing albeit slowly.
 
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But its coming to the end of life and people still obsessed with sales, the games are coming to and end of life on PS4 to as sony invested in ps5 now.

just buy the games and enjoy them, i personally just find the sales threads a bit bizarre as if all these gamers have shares in sony or summit
Not at all, a PS4 Superslim is all but guarenteed, and I expect it to be sold at $199. Remember that a huge amount of PS2 was sold after PS3 launched.
 

turtlepowa

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Not at all, a PS4 Superslim is all but guarenteed, and I expect it to be sold at $199. Remember that a huge amount of PS2 was sold after PS3 launched.
Because the PS3 was too late and too expensive. I don't see PS5 being late or too expensive.
 

Vaelka

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I understand what you mean, though I disagree. When I compare the experience I've had from playing games like God of War, Last of Us 2, Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn, they all differ greatly. I went though different emotions and gameplay didn't feel the same at all. They all managed to really affect me, one way or another.

Add to other AAA SP PS4 games to this roster, like Spider-man, Ratchet & Clank, Detroit, Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus and Until Dawn and I feel this has been one one the best generations ever.

I do agree with you on some level, mostly thematically they can be alike. That's the reason I haven't played Days Gone yet - it looked like a buggy TLOU.. but hey, I think I'll give it a chance now that it's all patched up.

I am obviously exaggerating a little bit for effect, I am not saying that they're completely the same.
But they sorta exist in the same bubble if that makes sense.
I also think that Spiderman does too, the base gameplay and mechanics are very similar or even the same. Ratchet and Clank is one that actually does feel different so I'll give you that but also mostly in tone and visuals. But that's honestly enough to make it stand out.

I'd just like to see more games with stylized characters and designs, and as much as I actually prefer third person myself maybe some first person games too.
Like imagine for example a game like Nier Automata, Yakuza or maybe even something a bit unorthodox for consoles like a Diablo styled game or a RTS game.

What's especially annoying about it is that the Japanese already do this well, and Sony is a Japanese company. And yet they don't take advantage of this at all.
Sony games sorta feel like the Marvel movies to me, big blockbusters very noticably aimed at the mass market where everything is shiny and fairly tropey.
But I think that audiences are receptive to other things too.

Right now it just sorta feels like their first party studios are all working with the same fundamental building blocks with all of their games and it's kinda boring imo.
As much as I loved the RE2 remake, part of me was kinda disappointed about the gameplay changes for this reason too.
Imo the remake of RE1 still holds up, and it'd be really cool to see a big budget game do something cool with that.
But we just keep getting games that sorta play the same.
 

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I dont care about sales numbers relative to other consoles but i do care that the platform i invest in is healthy as it is a lot of money being sunk into this hobby...if sales tank, developers stop creating software and i'm sitting here with an expensive console with not much to play (See the story of the WiiU).

So yes, i do like to know my platform choice is doing well as it is an indicator of future support.

Additionally, some of us are over 18 and actually do own stock (ADR) ... shocking but true.

Does it matter at THIS stage ... probably not, I think developers would feel confident creating software for the PS5 given SONY's long history of 80 million + console sales per generation, now its more about putting this gen into the context of SONY's history and an indicator of health/not health within the console market given the growth in alternative gaming platforms (streaming/mobile)
 

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Selling more than 6m in the first half of 2020 seems like a lot at this point in it's life, specially since Sony isn't very aggressive with the price. It ain't even $199 yet.

A super slim for $200 with a $150 SAD could help the PS4 sell well in the next few years, but to surpass 150m Sony would need to come out with the PS4 Portable.

PS+ current model has terrible value, they need to completely rethink it, I'm tired of getting games I'm not interested on or games I already have.
 
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onQ123

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I never get why gamers have become obsessed with sales numbers? I mean if you enjoy their product and i do then just enjoy it.


I'm pretty sure better sales on a platform lead to more & better games on that platform because they know they will have a better chance at making that money back.


Case in point all the big PlayStation exclusives
 
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These results are INCREDIBLE, nobody would imagine they would be here after the disaster of the PS3

I'm glad they have essentially erased the stink of that failure off of them

Marching into next gen they are, Monsters!! 👏👏
 
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Oh yeah, I don't think PS4 will reach 150M just because Sony doesn't really want. It's clear they are already working to move PS4 userbase to PS5. PS4 should beat 120M and anything above it is a bonus.

Plus is getting bigger despite being only a 10 year old service. Heck, PSN in general will complete 14 years this november. Live is older by 4 years.

It has competition from several services on PC and also Microsoft with gold (soon to be killed) and gamepass.


And when we talk about "sales", well some people need to read the thread title before enter it. haha

But, you guys will understand why it is important those sales when Sony will get most of the partnerships with big 3rd party publishers. Maybe you can already observe this trend if you watched the events from both Sony and MS.
 
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Oh yeah, I don't think PS4 will reach 150M just because Sony doesn't really want. It's clear they are already working to move PS4 userbase to PS5. PS4 should beat 120M and anything above it is a bonus.
People who already bought a PS4, can move to PS5 without affecting the sales of hardware they already purchased years ago.
People who don't already own a PS4 however? What made you think they would become launch owner all of a sudden? They waited this long for a PS4, they can wait for PS5 too.