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Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead in Manhattan apartment.

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I really liked him....sucks he died. Rest in peace sir.

One thing I'm a bit confused about is people who say this is going to ruin there week, month, year, etc. People who act like it's a relative or significant other who has died. That makes absolutely no sense to me. You didn't know him, you saw a few movies he was in and that's it. Why would this affect you more than just saying RIP? It completely boggles my mind. I've wondered the same thing in all celeb death threads.

Some people have celebrities they look up to, idolize, cherish for their talents and the creations they have brought into this world. GAF is a huge place. People will get upset. Those who are more passionate will be upset a little longer.
 
Some people have celebrities they look up to, idolize, cherish for their talents and the creations they have brought into this world. GAF is a huge place. People will get upset. Those who are more passionate will be upset a little longer.

That seems incredibly unhealthy....a bit crazy honestly.
 
I really liked him....sucks he died. Rest in peace sir.

One thing I'm a bit confused about is people who say this is going to ruin there week, month, year, etc. People who act like it's a relative or significant other who has died. That makes absolutely no sense to me. You didn't know him, you saw a few movies he was in and that's it. Why would this affect you more than just saying RIP? It completely boggles my mind. I've wondered the same thing in all celeb death threads.

Different people are effected differently than others? An individual who has battled drug addiction only to finally succumb to the disease is going to effect other individuals who have battled it as well. Is it really that complex?
 
Different people are effected differently than others? An individual who has battled drug addiction only to finally succumb to the disease is going to effect other individuals who have battled it as well. Is it really that complex?

Yes actually, it seems extremely strange to me. It makes no sense to me. It's not someone you hung out with, not someone you were related to, not someone who had any involvement in your life except for you consuming their product.

Certain people can have an effect on you for whatever reason. I'm not effected by 99.9 percent of celebrity deaths, but Gene Siskel (movie critic) really bummed me out when it happened.

Don't get me wrong, I'm bummed out about not being able to enjoy certain celebrities product but it wouldn't affect my mood. I wouldn't cry about any of them and think about it all the time or anything....it's just very very odd to me.
 
PSH was a huge influence on me, and I wish to one day explore even an ounce of the truth that he brought to every one of his characters and films as an actor myself.

Truly one of the most shocking and saddening celebrity deaths I've ever witnessed.
 
JFC you have zero idea what you are talking about do you? It is a fucking disease, being a father doesn't change that fact. Retiring, taking a vacation, wouldn't change the fact that he is a drug addict. Guess what, regardless where he goes and what he does it will be with him and his family for the rest of his life.

Quick question, would you react differently if he had killed himself after living years with depression? Let me guess, you would be here telling me that he should have sucked it up and been a big boy, cause he's a father. What a joke.



Drug addiction and sobriety are a daily fight. You hold it at bay for as long as you can, hopefully you make it. Some do, some do not. The difference is I'm not going to call him a piece of shit for failing, apparently you are.

I haven't battled addiction. But my god, I can't stress how terrible getting off Opiates is. I would have crying fits where I would start bawling my eyes out randomly through the day. I couldn't sleep for 30 hours straight. Every single day of my life became a routine, where I saw no purpose for living. I had extreme thoughts of sadness and a wave of sadness that would overcome me hourly. I would have trouble getting out of bed every morning, and had no motivation to get through the day. My mind would wander to some very dark places. I would actually wrestle with my own thoughts.

And again, this is coming from someone that is relatively straight edge (I've never used drugs, and live a healthy life), and someone that has always been happy. Suddenly my entire mind/emotional state fell apart to pieces.

I'm by no means trying to equate pain medication to heroin. I know they are different. And I know not everyone has the same reaction. But I only bring up my own personal experience, to give people an idea of the nature of how much these kind of drugs impact you when you stop using them (if only withdrawal was just a physical problem, people would be so lucky). I wasn't even someone that was taking a lot of my medication, and still went through what I did.

I think it's important that you listen to your doctor, but I don't agree you should always take their advice. You should always be vigilant about your own health, because sadly some doctors will NOT care about your health as much as you do. And lastly, I bring it up so people might get SOME idea of how hard it is to kick it.

If people want to judge you for abusing drugs, fine. I'm not here to argue about someone taking their first needle (it's a complex thing. Some people do it for fun, some do it to be happy, some do it because they are depressed and it's an escape. It's a very complex issue). But for someone that has an addiction (because of their personal issues), once they relapse it's not as simple as just quitting cold turkey.

Hoffman might have relapsed and went to rehab. He might have struggled with it, and knew it was wrong. But even if he wanted to quit, the sheer weight of quitting goes beyond just a physical toll. For some, it's much easier to just keep taking a hit, then go through the mental hell that awaits you. I kid you not, there were times where my mind tried to convince myself that this would be permanent. That it would not get better. And even though I was self-aware and KNEW it was the withdrawal making me feel the way I was, I found myself struggling to accept that fact.

Now, I try to imagine someone that actually abuses this stuff (or even harder forms of it), and who are going through that amplified. I can't imagine it. I just can't. I would totally understand why someone might rather take a hit to end the mental suffering, rather than give in to it and wait for it to pass (and some people even have suicidal thoughts during this period, that's how bad it gets).

EDIT: I'm not talking about staying sober. As I never had an issue with it. But I'm just adding to your discussion, by giving a perspective of someone that wasn't addicted, and how awful it was getting off it. Like I said, I can't even imagine someone that has an addiction issue ON TOP of going through withdrawal.
 
Yes actually, it seems extremely strange to me. It makes no sense to me. It's not someone you hung out with, not someone you were related to, not someone who had any involvement in your life except for you consuming their product.

Yep. How can someone be effected by the written words of others, their songs, their movies, yep just strange. You didn't know any of those deceased authors or songwriters, why are you acting like they touched your life. Joke post, right? Please. I hate to tell you how certain videogames had a substantial impact on my life.
 
Since I've watched Boogie Nights be replayed a bunch of times on TV over the Summer, I'm debating whether or not I'm going to put on Magnolia or Punch Drunk Love tomorrow.

Having an older brother who is an on-again/off-again heroin addict, this shit just gets to me.

Philip Seymour Hoffman was enormously talented, audiences and viewers were transfixed on his performances. He brought so much to the roles he played.

How do you sit someone down that you only know through their work and tell him or her that they are above drugs? He's gone now and you can't do that. There is this unexplainable feeling of helplessness and despair when shit like this happens, something that I know all too well when I've heard my older brother moan and grunt through his heroin rushes from the downstairs living room. Fuck.
 
I haven't battled addiction. But my god, I can't stress how terrible getting off Opiates is. I would have crying fits where I would start bawling my eyes out randomly through the day. I couldn't sleep for 30 hours straight. Every single day of my life became a routine, where I saw no purpose for living. I had extreme thoughts of sadness and a wave of sadness that would overcome me hourly. I would have trouble getting out of bed ever morning, and had no motivation to get through the day. My mind would wander to some very dark places. I would actually wrestle with my own thoughts.

And again, this is coming from someone that is relatively straight edge (I've never used drugs, and live a healthy life), and someone that has always been happy. Suddenly my entire mind/emotional state fell apart to pieces.

I'm by no means trying to equate pain medication to heroin. I know they are different. And I know not everyone has the same reaction. But I only bring up my own personal experience, to give people an idea of the nature of how much these kind of drugs impact you when you stop using them (if only withdrawal was just a physical problem, people would be so lucky). I wasn't even someone that was taking a lot of my medication, and still went through what I did.

I think it's important that you listen to your doctor, but I don't agree you should always take their advice. You should always be vigilant about your own health, because sadly some doctors will NOT care about your health as much as you do. And lastly, I bring it up so people might get SOME idea of how hard it is to kick it.

If people want to judge you for abusing drugs, fine. I'm not here to argue about someone taking their first needle (it's a complex thing. Some people do it for fun, some do it to be happy, some do it because they are depressed and it's an escape. It's a very complex issue). But for someone that has an addiction (because of their personal issues), once they relapse it's not as simple as just quitting cold turkey.

Hoffman might have relapsed and went to rehab. He might have struggled with it, and knew it was wrong. But even if he wanted to quit, the sheer weight of quitting goes beyond just a physical toll. For some, it's much easier to just keep taking a hit, then go through the mental hell that awaits you. I kid you not, there were times where my mind tried to convince myself that this would be permanent. That it would not get better. And even though I was self-aware and KNEW it was the withdrawal making me feel the way I was, I found myself struggling to accept that fact.

Now, I try to imagine someone that actually abuses this stuff (or even harder forms of it), and who are going through that amplified. I can't imagine it. I just can't. I would totally understand why someone might rather take a hit to end the mental suffering, rather than give in to it and wait for it to pass (and some people even have suicidal thoughts during this period, that's how bad it gets).

EDIT: I'm not talking about staying sober. As I never had an issue with it. But I'm just adding to your discussion, by giving a perspective of someone that wasn't addicted, and how awful it was getting off it. Like I said, I can't even imagine someone that has an addiction issue ON TOP of going through withdrawal.

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A few rumors have been floating around that he was having problems with his significant otherfor the better part of a year. That stress alone could easily drive someone to relapse pretty quickly. Add in other stresses of his life and his rerelapse is none too shocking in hindsight. It's sad and tragic and it pisses me off that such a talented person would leave this earth much too soon but the worst part about all of it is 3 young children will grow up without their father. That is just heartbreaking.

Just me speculating but the NYPD won't find much in his phone records or trying to track his whearabouts from saturday night onwards to his death. He was high profile and probably had a few runners scoring his gear. A guy like him doesn't cop on a street corner. Hell he probably never even dealt with a dealer. In all likelihood he caught a hot shot (heroin cut with something like fentanyl or worse) and passed out never to wake up.
 
This is very sad news.

The problem with heroin is that the purity can be very random. A new batch of heroin from even the same dealer can vary widely in strength.

This may not have been such a big factor for Hollywood star level gear, but many overdoses are caused by a sudden spike in purity.

Who knows? He may have just been having his normal maintenance shot and underestimated the strength. I've witnessed this mistake many times in my mid 20s when I was using on a regular basis.

I'll never forget finding one of my best friends with a needle hanging out of her arm and her face blue from a massive overdose. Thankfully we were able to revive her, but it could have very easily gone wrong. The hit that she had cooked up was the same amount that we had been using for the previous few months - the only difference was that it was from a new batch that had less cut (filler) in it.

When you are in the depths of addiction, this doesn't even bother you. Each new batch is a lottery and the closer to overdose the better the high. It sounds awful - but that's how it is.

I actually went cold turkey without any preparation, and it goes to show how deluded that you can be when addicted to heroin. I really thought that I would be fine, and got some mid level pain killers that had opiate content (panadeine forte) and thought I would be ok. NOPE.

Cue a holiday to Tokyo and the withdrawals started before I had even touched down in Japan. The next week or so was fucking awful. My hosts thought that I had a virus, and were very kind to me. I have photos from that trip and I looked like shit. I still have nightmares/flashbacks to the feelings I had laying in that bedroom in Tokyo, drenched in sweat and using every ounce of my self control not to swear and lash out.

Anyway.. RIP to this guy. His death has bought up a lot of memories. I've been sober since 1998 and to this day, I still miss the warm embrace of a good heroin high. Having a daughter early last year will keep me strong, but it's something that never goes away.
 
Thats very sad.

You'd think someone like him would have the money and the means to get away from heroin but I actually have no idea what addiction really is. I don't even know people who do drugs(except weed).
 
I knew him mostly from Boogie Nights and Mission Impossible 3, but he was fan-fucking-tastic in both. I'll remember him fondly. Oh yeah, and he was also great in Along Came Polly. He taught me what "sharting" meant.

RIP
 
Some of my favorites of his:
Happiness
Big Lebowski
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Capote



I wanted to vomit when I heard "Philip Seymour Hoffman, most known for his role in Hunger Games, blah blah blah". (Not that it was a bad movie, just so unimportant).
 
Some of my favorites of his:
Happiness
Big Lebowski
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
Capote



I wanted to vomit when I heard "Philip Seymour Hoffman, most known for his role in Hunger Games, blah blah blah". (Not that it was a bad movie, just so unimportant).

No one mentions his role in Twister :(

Was really sad when I heard this news. PSH was truly a great actor: Moneyball, Pirate Radio, Capote, etc..
 
From a quick google.

Wow heroin addiction sounds really bad.

Re: How would you describe a heroin high?
It's like warm golden sunshine flowing through your veins. It makes everything ok, and it makes everything beautiful, and it makes anything seem within your reach. Then you come down. And need more. And will do anything to get it. It's your best friend at first, and when you still can quit, you'd never dream of it. Then at some point that is indefinable and inevitable, it turns on you. It grows fangs and claws, and it wants your soul. It lies to you and tells you that you aren't doing anything wrong. It makes you feel like you would rather die than spend another second without it. Then before you know it, your days are consumed with waking up dry heaving and so sick you want to die (provided you could sleep at all, which is dependent upon whether or not you had a shot before bed...) Once you finally get a first hit of the day, then it's time to start really looking for something to get you by. You lie, scam, break the law, and sell your soul to get just barely enough to keep you out of bed. You take that last shot of the day, and become filled with dread and exhaustion thinking how you'll manage it tomorrow. Then you go to bed, only to wake up a few hours later because your muscles are twitching and cramping. You fight with yourself for ten minutes about whether or not to take that small hit you saved for morning, inevitably take it, and then wake up a few hours later, only to start all over again. And you'd rather die than live any other way.
 
I just watched that little video where is voice is the OS in Her and thought about how much I like him, then I see this news while at work. What a shame.
 
I know it's easy to do victim blaming when talking about drug overdose. But heroin addiction is no joke. I knew someone who stole from his family, lost his kids, his job etc. He's doing ok now but the stories he would tell me were so horrible. It was the first time i saw drug addiction in a different light. I used to be one of those people who points fingers and call them idiots. But now i understand it more and it's really really sad. I feel bad for anyone who gets hooked on it.

RIP
 
Being a father doesn't make a disease go away. Being a father means that you don't put yourself in a position that you can harm your children. It means that you don't give yourself the option to get drugs or alcohol or card games or whatever addiction. It means that if you are succumbing to the stress of your career, you retire or take an extended vacation. Particularly when you are, I presume, fabulously wealthy and can just check out of regular life for a while. I know he tried that in rehab in 2013, surely he had the ability to perceive he was in a time of weakness and could have taken a step back from his career, though I know he was not at the end of his role in the hunger games.



That he fell off the wagon after 20 years? Addiction never is cured but clearly he had the ability to restrain it for some time. and I would wager that I have had more experiences with drug addicts/users/abusers than most here who have never used nor has a close relative or friend that has used/abused. Sorry, I just have higher standards for folks that are parents. Again, he overcame the addiction for 20 years and was wildly successful with nothing to prove to anyone (not that that is for me to say), to put your own addiction that you have held down for 20 years ahead of your children...

As a recovering Heroin addict who has more experience with drug addicts/users/abusers than you do, you have no idea what you are talking about.

That sucks so badly. Such a great actor too.

Fuck heroin.

(17 months clean)

Congratulations man, 17 months is awesome! It's so great to have my life back. 7 months clean here myself. at my worst point I spent 20K on heroin in 3 months. I never thought I'd be able to break the nasty cycle and nearly lost everything important to me. I think people would be absolutely shocked at how prevalent heroin addiction is. I work for a large fortune 500 company and knew numerous addicts in various levels of importance.
 
I wonder if the dude that sells it to him feels nervous.

I doubt PSH was getting the drugs on his own. Must be people/enablers who got it for him. Hopefully police can trace who sold him the heroin and jail their ass.
 
From a quick google.

Wow heroin addiction sounds really bad.
Evil incarnate.

Fuck suppliers and dealers. And fuck you if you know of the evils of drugs and yet still get suckered into it for the first time.


IT'S ALMOST A GUARANTEED DEATH SENTENCE AND RUINS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING YOU ONCE KNEW
 
Was told this morning. Probably my favourite actor of all time, or at least the one I admired the most. Total chameleon. Fuck the person who introduced him to heroine*

*yeah, I'd like to blame someone else right now

I still can't believe they didn't use this commercial in the actual movie....
What movie was this?
 
I'll never understand heroin addiction. I get that once your hooked it's tough to break the addiction, but it's the initial hit that i don't get. I can see how you can swallow e, smoke a joint, or sniff some coke for the first time . They seem so easy to get started on, but fuck man sticking a needle in your vein the first time seems like such a drastic leap.

Not to mention that popular media has always painted heroin/meth as a guaranteed downward spiral. Maybe some recovering addicts can explain what made them take the initial plunge?

R.i.P
 
I'll never understand heroin addiction. I get that once your hooked it's tough to break the addiction, but it's the initial hit that i don't get. I can see how you can swallow e, smoke a joint, or sniff some coke for the first time . They seem so easy to get started on, but fuck man sticking a needle in your vein the first time seems like such a drastic leap.

You don't need to use a needle to use heroin.
 
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