Nah, you did. But that's cool because prescription drugs never lead to trying illegal drugs. Right?
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Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead in Manhattan apartment.
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Nah, you did. But that's cool because prescription drugs never lead to trying illegal drugs. Right?
Man that's strange, I actually thought he was a drug abuser too for some reason. I just figured I heard sometime in the past that he was an abuser. It'd be strange if I subconsciously knew it without ever having actually heard about it, like a sixth sense.
Arrogant Bastard
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Nor do they turn into illegal drugs when you start buying them on the street or from doctors that you know are operating out of pill mills. Nope.
I didn't. You're jumping around a bit to push your point. Is there any link to suggest that was the case here? Would it change the general perspective?
You are the one who said it was pure foolishness, I have not said anything about it other than it is a damn shame. Looks like you are making some assumptions of your own. I don't know how or why he got onto heroin, and because of that I am not judging him. You are.
...I didn't make any assumption. I'm just responding to you. You also didn't answer either question.
Yeah, I edited, but you certainly are making assumptions that is was foolishness alone.
I never said it was foolishness alone. Largely my point was that is how the masses will perceive this.
Illegal drugs are not viewed in the same light as prescription medication. Regardless of the similarities or abuse. That's the sad truth.
Devolution
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I think distilling his or anyone's addiction down to being stupid or careless or foolish doesn't really address the issue.
Raptomex
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If Wikipedia is accurate apparently he's struggled with drugs quite some time. I'm shocked.
A conscious decision to do heroin is foolish. It will always be. You can argue that he may have not been in a state to make that choice clearly. I doubt we may hear that side of the story anytime soon, or at all.
Arrogant Bastard
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Ok? I guess I am just missing the significance of this statement.
So do to the nature of the drug and its legality we should change our reaction? I guess I'm not following what you are trying to explain.
Arrogant Bastard
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A conscious decision to do opiates is foolish.
I think you are making a very dangerous miscalculation that somehow heroin is more problematic than other opiates, it isn't.
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Sorry to hear this, especially since his kids are all so young.
TrumanBurbank
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Hopefully he got paid big time for Hunger Games and they are going to be okay financially.
Well did you try taking like 5-10 of them at once?
(I don't actually know what the doses for recreational use of percocet usually are.)
No. Pretty sure prescription drugs have taken over as the most fatal one at this point in time.
I think it changes most individuals reactions, yes. The country is still pretty naive about drugs as a whole.
He didn't finish filming Part Two of the sequel, but it seems to not affect the release schedule.
Random Painted HIghway
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no kidding. according to wikipedia, the youngest is 5 (or just turned 6) to 10 (or just turned 11). what ever demons he faced that led him to this point, it is tragic that his children now are without a father and never truly knew him. I'm sorry, but as a father myself, I think that someone who sticks a needle into his arm and has kids is a real piece of shit. I don't give a shit what you do with your body when you are single, but when you have little ones that need a dad...man.
MrSaturn99
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Having lost my older brother to a five-year drug addiction that eventually ended in a heroin overdose (will be exactly his age later this year, Christ...), I extend my deepest sympathies to the Hoffman family.
While I agree with Arrogant Bastard/Sanjuro that you can fault the individual for using drugs, to start shitting on an addict for not simply kicking their addiction to the curb shows a complete lack of understanding in how drug abuse works. Coping with that is a hell that tosses away any sense of rationality.
While I agree with Arrogant Bastard/Sanjuro that you can fault the individual for using drugs, to start shitting on an addict for not simply kicking their addiction to the curb shows a complete lack of understanding in how drug abuse works. Coping with that is a hell that tosses away any sense of rationality.
I loved him as the pimp for the sex phone line girl in Punch Drunk Love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2FCCZ50VU The way the movie builds tension makes this scene more ridiculous in context. The payoff later when Sandler comes to his store still holding the phone receiver is also quite something.
Sad to say I haven't seen a lot of his other work. Will have to bone up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2FCCZ50VU The way the movie builds tension makes this scene more ridiculous in context. The payoff later when Sandler comes to his store still holding the phone receiver is also quite something.
Sad to say I haven't seen a lot of his other work. Will have to bone up.
Arrogant Bastard
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Basically: I'm sorry, but I'm about to make an ignorant rant about something and come across as a Grade A douche? So being a father somehow makes a disease go away? Get over yourself and your self righteous attitude. Hate on the addiction and how it destroys the lives of individuals and their families, but do it with some tact. Make an attempt to understand what is going on and how addiction works. I'm pretty sure having a bunch of armchair jerks calling their father a piece of shit isn't exactly helpful, know what I mean?
BloodMoney
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oh look, a bunch of GAF'ers getting mad at each other over the death of someone they didn't know.
Random Painted HIghway
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Well, I was referring to the initial decision to use heroin, which according to reports occurred in 2012, when he fell of the wagon-he was apparently clean for a couple decades. You have kids and you make that choice? Sorry, I have to call a spade a spade on that, awful as it may sound. Sober 20 years, with three kids...
BlackBanditSho
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Somehow I've managed to watch this movie three times. Once in the theater and 2x at home. The acting all round is still fan-fucking-tastic. I went to go see MI:3 because that opening with Hoffman (what was shown in the trailer) was THAT good. This guy was an AMAZING actor's actor. Sad that he was on drugs, but I can't say that I'm surprised. That kind of manic intensity - I'm just saying, can't say that I'm surprised.
What an amazing actor. Too bad.
Arrogant Bastard
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Yep, that is exactly what is going on. Are we in the same thread? Cause I'm pretty sure the discussion for the past few pages has been about drug addiction and whether or not it makes someone a piece of shit.
So basically what you are saying is you have no idea what drug addiction is or how sobriety works?
SirMossyBloke
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Actually they're angry at the feelings towards addiction and how it can ruin lives. They are not angry because PSH died.
Edit: banned, ah well.
Freewheelin'
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One of my favourite actors. The guy would be normally the best actor in most of his films.
was also genuinely shocked when I read the news on twitter, thought it was some kind of horrible joke at first....
RIP
was also genuinely shocked when I read the news on twitter, thought it was some kind of horrible joke at first.... RIP
Mikey Jr.
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Parents with families who make SIGNIFICANTLY less die all the time.
I'm sure they'll be fine.
Random Painted HIghway
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Being a father doesn't make a disease go away. Being a father means that you don't put yourself in a position that you can harm your children. It means that you don't give yourself the option to get drugs or alcohol or card games or whatever addiction. It means that if you are succumbing to the stress of your career, you retire or take an extended vacation. Particularly when you are, I presume, fabulously wealthy and can just check out of regular life for a while. I know he tried that in rehab in 2013, surely he had the ability to perceive he was in a time of weakness and could have taken a step back from his career, though I know he was not at the end of his role in the hunger games.
That he fell off the wagon after 20 years? Addiction never is cured but clearly he had the ability to restrain it for some time. and I would wager that I have had more experiences with drug addicts/users/abusers than most here who have never used nor has a close relative or friend that has used/abused. Sorry, I just have higher standards for folks that are parents. Again, he overcame the addiction for 20 years and was wildly successful with nothing to prove to anyone (not that that is for me to say), to put your own addiction that you have held down for 20 years ahead of your children...
OrlanisWorks
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Great actor who creeped me the hell out in MI:III. What a goddamn idiot.
crazy monkey
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what will happen to hunger games? I think he was part of it? RIP.
Wondering this as well, but still sad news.
Extra Sauce
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I read in the Catching Fire thread that he had completed work on Mockingjay Part 1, with 7 days left of shooting for Part 2.
Yup. He was the best bad guy the series ever had.
Arrogant Bastard
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JFC you have zero idea what you are talking about do you? It is a fucking disease, being a father doesn't change that fact. Retiring, taking a vacation, wouldn't change the fact that he is a drug addict. Guess what, regardless where he goes and what he does it will be with him and his family for the rest of his life.
Quick question, would you react differently if he had killed himself after living years with depression? Let me guess, you would be here telling me that he should have sucked it up and been a big boy, cause he's a father. What a joke.
Drug addiction and sobriety are a daily fight. You hold it at bay for as long as you can, hopefully you make it. Some do, some do not. The difference is I'm not going to call him a piece of shit for failing, apparently you are.
I really liked him....sucks he died. Rest in peace sir.
One thing I'm a bit confused about is people who say this is going to ruin there week, month, year, etc. People who act like it's a relative or significant other who has died. That makes absolutely no sense to me. You didn't know him, you saw a few movies he was in and that's it. Why would this affect you more than just saying RIP? It completely boggles my mind. I've wondered the same thing in all celeb death threads.
One thing I'm a bit confused about is people who say this is going to ruin there week, month, year, etc. People who act like it's a relative or significant other who has died. That makes absolutely no sense to me. You didn't know him, you saw a few movies he was in and that's it. Why would this affect you more than just saying RIP? It completely boggles my mind. I've wondered the same thing in all celeb death threads.
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