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ramyeon said:
The fake one looked better to me.
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That's Beetlemon.

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Caladrious said:
Greninja has a very similar base stat spread to Starmie. If it has a good movepool to make up for the lack of thunderbolt it has a fighting chance. There's also the capability for it to be a (mediocre) mixed attacker.
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95/115 vs. 100/115 makes it just an inferior Starmie, though - put it this way, why would you choose Greninja over Starmie? Starmie's stats are basically superior in every category they need to be (same speed, better special attack), and only very, very marginally worse in defense and special defensive capabilities. The only advantage that Greninja has is that Greninja may be able to run a gimmicky physical set (and 90/115 really would be fairly gimmicky) that gives Greninja perhaps a little more unpredictability. Even that I'm not too sure about it, because Starmie also has recourse to a wide variety of sets, even if there aren't any on the physical side, thanks to Starmie's frankly amazing movepool - the Death Star set from GSC is still more than viable thanks to Recover and Thunder Wave and can really throw people, plus Starmie has Rapid Spin access. In fact, just on the subject of movepool, the possibility that Greninja is going to have anything even close to Starmie when Starmie can rock Boltbeam is just so low - there's not a single Pokemon that resists every single one of Surf, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt except for Shedinja.
 
Crab said:
95/115 vs. 100/115 makes it just an inferior Starmie, though - put it this way, why would you choose Greninja over Starmie? Starmie's stats are basically superior in every category they need to be (same speed, better special attack), and only very, very marginally worse in defense and special defensive capabilities. The only advantage that Greninja has is that Greninja may be able to run a gimmicky physical set (and 90/115 really would be fairly gimmicky) that gives Greninja perhaps a little more unpredictability. Even that I'm not too sure about it, because Starmie also has recourse to a wide variety of sets, even if there aren't any on the physical side, thanks to Starmie's frankly amazing movepool - the Death Star set from GSC is still more than viable thanks to Recover and Thunder Wave and can really throw people, plus Starmie has Rapid Spin access. In fact, just on the subject of movepool, the possibility that Greninja is going to have anything even close to Starmie when Starmie can rock Boltbeam is just so low - there's not a single Pokemon that resists every single one of Surf, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt except for Shedinja.
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Moveset aside, is a 5 stat points difference really that important?
I've never played competitively or really looked into stat specifics, but I would've never guessed that kind of difference would make or break a Pokemon's viability. Seems kinda lame to me.
 
Has anyone talked about the new Grass type "weather condition" Grass Terrain? It's description is "The user turns the ground under everyone's feet to grass for five turns. This restores the HP of Pokemon on the ground a little every turn". Floette learns it at level 27.
 
Charlie0108 said:
Has anyone talked about the new Grass type "weather condition" Grass Terrain? It's description is "The user turns the ground under everyone's feet to grass for five turns. This restores the HP of Pokemon on the ground a little every turn". Floette learns it at level 27.
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So this is reverse Sandstorm/Hail huh. GF really seams to want to slow down the metagame by adding so many defensive Pokemon and nerfs to popular moves(Fire Blast, Surf, etc.)
 
Fireblend said:
Moveset aside, is a 5 stat points difference really that important?
I've never played competitively or really looked into stat specifics, but I would've never guessed that kind of difference would make or break a Pokemon's viability. Seems kinda lame to me.
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I wouldn't say 5 stat points is of absolute importance, but it's certainly of relative importance. Say you had two Pokemon, which were otherwise identical in all respects, but one Pokemon had 100/99/100/100/100/100 base stats and the other had 100/100/100/100/100/100. Even though the first is only 1 point worse, there is no situation in which using the first Pokemon will be a better choice than using the second. So, the fact it has even just the one point less will mean it isn't used by people playing purely for competitive reasons.

How much a Pokemon is used depends on two main aspects: how useful the role it performs is, and how well relative to other Pokemon it performs that role. Greninja's role, based on the stats, seems to be that of either a special sweeper or perhaps a mixed sweeper. In terms of being a special sweeper, there is a very similar Pokemon that performs the same role - Starmie. They both have similar typing (Water/Psychic against Water/Dark), and very similar stats, only Starmie's stats are slightly better (and arguably Starmie's typing is marginally better too). As such, this is similar to the example above - Greninja isn't bad in absolute terms. His stats are actually really quite good when examined in isolation. He's just bad in relative terms - outshadowed by other existing Pokemon.

In terms of being a mixed sweeper, mixed sweepers just aren't as important as they were in prior generations. It used to be defensively orientated teams were quite effective, and as such having a mixed sweeper was vital because then you could break their walls regardless of whether their walls were offensively or defensively orientated. Since BW, and arguably since DPPt even, the metagame has become so much more offensively orientated that people don't really bother using specialized walls that much anyway and thus the importance of having a Pokemon capable of hitting heavy both sides of the spectrum has diminished drastically, so Greninja's mixed sets will be gimmick sets at best.

EDIT: Magnezone doesn't resist all three, he's neutral to Water.
 
Well, if you live in Denmark, good news. Some store broke the street date, so everyone is apparently selling it today. Got mine today at the local Gamestop.

Also included in the box: Advert for the first event Pokémon: Torchic. But that's probably old news here.
 
Everyone hating on Megacross is just bitter that they don't know anything about entomology. The design is fantastic.

The ability, less so.

JStein0222 said:
Haven't been in the thread in awhile. Any update on post game jawns? Anything like the battle tower or?
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Battle Tower's replacement was confirmed a week ago.
 
Crab said:
I wouldn't say 5 stat points is of absolute importance, but it's certainly of relative importance. Say you had two Pokemon, which were otherwise identical in all respects, but one Pokemon had 100/99/100/100/100/100 base stats and the other had 100/100/100/100/100/100. Even though the first is only 1 point worse, there is no situation in which using the first Pokemon will be a better choice than using the second. So, the fact it has even just the one point less will mean it isn't used by people playing purely for competitive reasons.

How much a Pokemon is used depends on two main aspects: how useful the role it performs is, and how well relative to other Pokemon it performs that role. Greninja's role, based on the stats, seems to be that of either a special sweeper or perhaps a mixed sweeper. In terms of being a special sweeper, there is a very similar Pokemon that performs the same role - Starmie. They both have similar typing (Water/Psychic against Water/Dark), and very similar stats, only Starmie's stats are slightly better (and arguably Starmie's typing is marginally better too). As such, this is similar to the example above - Greninja isn't bad in absolute terms. His stats are actually really quite good when examined in isolation. He's just bad in relative terms - outshadowed by other existing Pokemon.

In terms of being a mixed sweeper, mixed sweepers just aren't as important as they were in prior generations. It used to be defensively orientated teams were quite effective, and as such having a mixed sweeper was vital because then you could break their walls regardless of whether their walls were offensively or defensively orientated. Since BW, and arguably since DPPt even, the metagame has become so much more offensively orientated that people don't really bother using specialized walls that much anyway and thus the importance of having a Pokemon capable of hitting heavy both sides of the spectrum has diminished drastically, so Greninja's mixed sets will be gimmick sets at best.

EDIT: Magnezone doesn't resist all three, he's neutral to Water.
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I'd also say that Speed is the stat in which every single point really matters. For example, a Pokemon with 99 base Speed will be WAY less viable than a Pokemon with 101 base Speed.

The thing that really sets Pokemon apart though are movepools, and it's really hard to find Pokemon with better movepools than Starmie.
 
Crab said:
I wouldn't say 5 stat points is of absolute importance, but it's certainly of relative importance. Say you had two Pokemon, which were otherwise identical in all respects, but one Pokemon had 100/99/100/100/100/100 base stats and the other had 100/100/100/100/100/100. Even though the first is only 1 point worse, there is no situation in which using the first Pokemon will be a better choice than using the second. So, the fact it has even just the one point less will mean it isn't used by people playing purely for competitive reasons.

How much a Pokemon is used depends on two main aspects: how useful the role it performs is, and how well relative to other Pokemon it performs that role. Greninja's role, based on the stats, seems to be that of either a special sweeper or perhaps a mixed sweeper. In terms of being a special sweeper, there is a very similar Pokemon that performs the same role - Starmie. They both have similar typing (Water/Psychic against Water/Dark), and very similar stats, only Starmie's stats are slightly better (and arguably Starmie's typing is marginally better too). As such, this is similar to the example above - Greninja isn't bad in absolute terms. His stats are actually really quite good when examined in isolation. He's just bad in relative terms - outshadowed by other existing Pokemon.

In terms of being a mixed sweeper, mixed sweepers just aren't as important as they were in prior generations. It used to be defensively orientated teams were quite effective, and as such having a mixed sweeper was vital because then you could break their walls regardless of whether their walls were offensively or defensively orientated. Since BW, and arguably since DPPt even, the metagame has become so much more offensively orientated that people don't really bother using specialized walls that much anyway and thus the importance of having a Pokemon capable of hitting heavy both sides of the spectrum has diminished drastically, so Greninja's mixed sets will be gimmick sets at best.

EDIT: Magnezone doesn't resist all three, he's neutral to Water.
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You are correct on all counts, however I was going off of the tentative numbers given by Smogon that placed Greninja at 120 speed to Starmie's 115. If that number has been refuted then I retract my statement.
 
Winterfang said:
Doesn't Electric resist water?
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Nope. In fact, the typical Choice Specs Starmie set (Specs/Timid with Sp.A and Spd EVs maxed) does 95.01 - 112.09% damage against the typical Choice Scarf Magnezone set (Scarf/Timid with 4 EVs in Sp.D), and is a guaranteed OHKO with Stealth Rocks up. Even without the Specs, Starmie is still hitting 63.34 - 74.73% against Magnezone.

EDIT: If Greninja is 100/120 that makes him substantially better, although he'll still need a strong supporting movepool to be viable.
 
so whats general consensus on end game?

Whats to do after elite 4?

I'm assuming there isn't as much end game as bw2, but i assume there is at least round 2 elite 4?
 
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