Yea fair enough, I just didn't know if the guy was killing himself with exercise thinking thats the best way to lose weight.
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We arent fat because we eat too much and exercise too little
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Yea fair enough, I just didn't know if the guy was killing himself with exercise thinking thats the best way to lose weight.
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Oh, perfect. Yeah, I think we're on the same page. You may count calories while I do not, but we both agree that the elimination of certain foods are key to weight loss and staying healthy.
Taubes actually exercises and encourages it in his work as a way to look and feel fit, but not as an effective means of long-term weight loss. He cited a Runner's World(?) survey of thousands of its subscribers, many of whom run double digit miles per week, that showed they were putting on weight with each passing year.
Eteric Rice
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Figured you guys would enjoy this. It's a new Taubes video. Forgive me if it's already been posted, but I didn't see it.
http://vimeo.com/channels/418298/54861706
I'm going to start this diet after new years passes, along with probably getting myself a gym membership.
http://vimeo.com/channels/418298/54861706
I'm going to start this diet after new years passes, along with probably getting myself a gym membership.
Omegasquash
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Eat right (as in, balanced) and exercise. If you feel like you're not in a good place, talk to your physician and find out if you need to slide the marker in any particular direction. It's not about sticking to one particular thing...it's about balance and moderation in all things.
Someone mentioned feeling more satisfied with eating protein and fat over certain carbs. That's a part of the calories in/out argument I agree with. You feel more full with "good" food, depending on how you define good, and so you eat fewer calories. Again with my oatmeal, I have had it for years for breakfast, thinking it's healthy. I get very hungry an hour or two later and my blood sugar crashes when I eat oatmeal. Eggs I feel full for a long time.
So eating the wrong food made it harder on myself, is what I'm thinking now. Now imagine you're a fat bastard and your blood sugar is spiking and crashing, plus you're trying to exercise and so getting even hungrier because it's on a deficit. It will work but you're just making shit way too hard for yourself.
The thing is, most people eat shit even if they think they're being healthy. Either they buy into the 'low fat' food like low fat yogurt, or maybe whole grain bread, or they drink orange juice, or Kashi cereal. That's on top of the trans fats and HFCS that is in almost everything you can buy. None of that is helping you, in fact actively hurting you and making you store fat.
So eating the wrong food made it harder on myself, is what I'm thinking now. Now imagine you're a fat bastard and your blood sugar is spiking and crashing, plus you're trying to exercise and so getting even hungrier because it's on a deficit. It will work but you're just making shit way too hard for yourself.
The thing is, most people eat shit even if they think they're being healthy. Either they buy into the 'low fat' food like low fat yogurt, or maybe whole grain bread, or they drink orange juice, or Kashi cereal. That's on top of the trans fats and HFCS that is in almost everything you can buy. None of that is helping you, in fact actively hurting you and making you store fat.
Nice thanks, I'll check it out at lunch.
Just another plug for the Fat Head movie in the OP. Really worth watching. Can see it online here: http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879 or it's also on Netflix.
This isn't really helpful. Most physicians will recommend you eat a bunch of "healthy carbs" while telling you cut back on fat. I would say the average person has been badly misinformed into what "eating right/balanced" means.
In my early 20s, I was very skinny, ate absolutely anything without consequence, and only gained very minimal weight with heavy eating before dropping back down. Now I'm in my late 20s and 40 pounds heavier, despite the fact I've been far more aware of what I consume on a daily basis and tried to eat "healthier" for the past few years. I've only stabilized now that I cut back on all carbs across the board. No amount of moderation would have worked if I continued to eat the food I was falsely led to believe was good for me.
Jibber Hack
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Well, this guy made me a believer. At least as far as seeing if this works for me. I'm going to specifically try the Atkins diet. I don't have the book yet, but I've been restricting my carbs since Monday and added a salad (with a miniscule amount of salad dressing) and green vegetable (broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, asparagus) to every meal (chicken breast, pork chop, fish, steak). I'm a sweet freak so I've also been relying on zero cal flavored water to replace the soda that I would usually drink which I understand is a no-no.
I've tried to go low carb before, but I always hit this wall where it feels like I'm not satisfied even though I am often eating more than I would with carbs. Anyone have any idea how long this feeling lasts? I'm just in my third day, so far and this feeling usually gets worse/becomes mildly irritating or just an ever present annoyance throughout the day.
I've tried to go low carb before, but I always hit this wall where it feels like I'm not satisfied even though I am often eating more than I would with carbs. Anyone have any idea how long this feeling lasts? I'm just in my third day, so far and this feeling usually gets worse/becomes mildly irritating or just an ever present annoyance throughout the day.
No experience with Atkins personally but the Primal Blueprint author talks about "Low carb flu": http://www.marksdailyapple.com/low-carb-flu/
Good luck with it. Curious to hear how it goes.
Good luck with it. Curious to hear how it goes.
Jibber Hack
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Wow, okay. Two to three weeks. At least I know. In the past, not knowing was the worst part. Thanks.
Yeah I use to eat freaking orange chicken/white rice and burritos in the morning. I just changed that to a regular bowl of cereal. When I eat sandwiches I switched to wheat grain instead of white bread and also no more mayonnaise. I only eat fast food once or maybe twice a month rather eating that amount per week. No longer wake up feeling bloated and actually feel good now. For most of my life I was in good shape but when I moved out of my parent's house I started to have bad habits with my food of choice, got fed up with feeling awful. Now I'm going back to my natural weight before I had moved out, once I meet my goal I won't exercise as much but will continue eating healthy.
2-3 weeks? wow, I felt kind of bad for like 4 days and not even really that bad. I think the key and probably the biggest mistake I see is people not eating enough fat.
Up your fat intake. You are probably eating too much lean meat when you should be eating fattier meats and going out of your way to increase your fat intake. This will help suppress your appetite and give you more energy. Remember, your body either burns fat or carbs. Some of that fat is going to have to come out of what you eat every day, not just off your waist.
Other than fattier meats, nuts are a good way to increase fat intake. They have a few carbs too, but they also have tons of fiber. Remember you can subtract fiber content from carbs. Peanut butter and peanuts are good too. The paleo guys don't like them because they are technically a legume, but I'm not a paleo guy, at least not by the book, and peanuts work fine as long as you count the carbs (which are pretty minimal after subtracting fiber) and measure them out carefully.
Also, add butter to things, use a fatty salad dressing and use a lot of it. Add cheese and dairy.
Fat is the key to appetite and energy problems on this diet. Actively increase it.
Jibber Hack
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Update: Had some cream cheese and feeling subsided. Don't know if it's mental at this point, but I'm going to look at my fat intake more closely.
Oppo
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The fat increase advice is sound, even if somewhat counterintuitive.
Omegasquash
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Likewise, and likewise, though not without exercise. Anyone can lose weight by cutting carbs...that's obvious. Same with certain fats. But I still think it's helpful to hear a doctor tell you "drink less coke and eat an more veggies, bozo."
Log your calories in a calorie logger, you'll find that for every 3000-4000 calories of deficit you reach you'll have lost a pound.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Being fat and eating well is worse than being fit and eating shitty.
Reach a calorie deficit. Fad diets usually work because they give you filling foods to eat that have a low calorie density. The exception is a keto diet which actually alters the bodies response in order to burn fat, keto diets are rough to maintain.
You will lose weight if you eat at a deficit.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Being fat and eating well is worse than being fit and eating shitty.
Reach a calorie deficit. Fad diets usually work because they give you filling foods to eat that have a low calorie density. The exception is a keto diet which actually alters the bodies response in order to burn fat, keto diets are rough to maintain.
You will lose weight if you eat at a deficit.
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heh, knew this would be a low carb thread before I clicked on it. 
Good stuff in here.
Yup. It's horrible for your body. Stay away from sugar, and even fake sugar found in diet sodas.
Basically, eat "real" food like meat, veggies, fruits, and nuts.
This is why a lot of dieticians recommend a Cheat Day. You don't have to completely give up the unhealthy foods & drinks you love. You just have to limit your intake of them to 1 day per week, or every other week. You'll still lose weight all the same.
A small-to-moderate amount of carbs is good for you if you exercise, which everyone should be doing.
Good stuff in here.Yup. It's horrible for your body. Stay away from sugar, and even fake sugar found in diet sodas.
Basically, eat "real" food like meat, veggies, fruits, and nuts.
This is why a lot of dieticians recommend a Cheat Day. You don't have to completely give up the unhealthy foods & drinks you love. You just have to limit your intake of them to 1 day per week, or every other week. You'll still lose weight all the same.
A small-to-moderate amount of carbs is good for you if you exercise, which everyone should be doing.
And he was healthier while eating crap. Weight loss isn't magic. Eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight. Then again. He went from 201 pounds to 174 in 2 months losing about 3 pounds a week.
At the end of the day he lost weight eating the worst kinds of foods at a deficit. What you and others propose is straight up magic. The science behind paleo and anything that doesn't actually induce ketosis is that people are eating a caloric deficit due to either intermittent fasting and not being able to take in maintenance calories in a single meal, or filling themselves on foods that are not calorie dense at all.
I propose the chili diet. You only eat chili which is 6 servings with a general combination of 2 can dark red kidney beans, 1 pound beef, half a red cabbage, 11 oz spicy hot v8, 1 can rotel tomatoes and chilis, and chili spices ahem.
That'll give you a pot with a total of around 2500 calories for the entire pot. You'll lose weight if you eat only this chili. The food isn't calorie dense enough to do anything else unless you can really choke it down.
While that's true I think you're making things much harder on yourself by just being concerned with calorie counting. Avoiding sugar and eating good whole foods is something everyone should be trying to do regardless of if you're into low carb or not.
Further I'd suggest that you make sure you're getting enough protein and fat. If you're going to eat carbs other than veggies and fruit be aware that whole grain breads and starchy carbs are going to make fat loss (not weight loss) difficult.
I dont think anyone should want to lose weight, just excess fat. It's an important distinction because you can burn away muscle at a deficit especially if you're not lifting heavy weights as part of a routine.
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No one is proposing magic. It's just that, for some of us, the argument that hormones and other factors are the primary deciders of whether fat is accumulated, used, or expelled is more compelling than focusing on calories regardless of their source in spite of all the evidence against this.
All of the biological changes that occur in our bodies are the result of a myriad of actions and influences. To boil it all down to counting calories is absurdly simple. Not only that, but people will try to calculate things down to a very precise level despite the fact that they are making a ton of assumptions about a variety of factors.
I restrict myself to a 30 carbs 35 fat 35 protein split since I'm fairly active and am lifting heavy weights as part of a routine and have been for 3 years now. I'm at 21% BF 204 pounds 5'11" and my major lift numbers are at 235 bench, 315 squat, 420 DL (approximates based on rep # and weight, I'm too old to go for a one push max.) I do about 80 minutes of intense cardio a week (jogging, biking, eliptical if I'm reading a good book).
The last 6 pounds have come while watching macros and eating at a deficit and my weight loss of 1.5 pounds a week is right in line with my counts for calories while taking cardio into account.
Counting calories works for me, guessing doesn't work for me worth shit. Keto worked but I was extremely lethargic and couldn't work out to my usual levels. Current goal is to get into the 12-14% BF range without losing much strength which is why my protein is high compared to a general 40 40 20 split.
I accept the premise of the Gary Taubes/OP.
There's been some interesting developments in the past week. Just yesterday, a huge bit of research was published in the journal Cell Metabolism showing that hyperinsulinemia drives obesity, not the other way around. The experiment the research was based on was done in mice, but it can be applied to humans as well; the biological mechanisms are exactly the same.
From the UBC press release:
"James Johnson, an associate professor of cellular and physiological sciences, found that in animal models, too much insulin can be harmful. He gave a high-fat diet to two groups of mice: A control group of normal mice and another group bred to have half the normal amount of insulin. The control group, as expected, became fat. But the low-insulin mice were protected from weight gain because their fat cells burned more energy and stored less. The lean mice also had less inflammation and healthier livers."
A "high fat" diet in mice is usually a diet that is high in fat and contains a good dose of sugar. Mice will go crazy eating such a concoction and their insulin levels will be uber high within a matter of days and there will be a rapid onset of obesity/diabetes/etc.
A high fat and adequate/high carb diet at a caloric excess, especially when eaten frequently over the course of the day, will trigger hyperinsulinemia in humans. In fact, just consuming a ton of sucrose will do so as sucrose will increase serum triglyceride levels and serum glucose levels at the same time, stimulating the release of insulin and also downregulating insulin sensitivity at the cellular level. This is why refined sugar doesn't have a high glycemic index compared to baked white potatoes, but is much worse on per calorie basis for pretty much anyone.
Diabetics/insulin resistant people are trickier, though. Any dietary glucose could be bad as insulin resistance is basically a chronic state. Any ingested glucose will spike blood sugar levels and cause the pancreas to try to dump insulin to clear the excess blood sugar. So you get chronically elevated insulin levels in insulin resistant people and it leads to a runaway effect of excess fat storage as the pancreas is dumping more and more insulin to try and store the glucose that doesn't want to go anywhere. This is how people get fatter and fatter until they arrive at 300 lbs. Glucose is being stored away constantly because the pancreas is dumping massive amount of insulin into the bloodstream to try and sequester it into fat tissue, which is the only place it will go, and the stored energy in adipose tissue (fatty acids) isn't being metabolized properly because of the high fasting insulin levels. This is why people don't get continually fatter because of gluttony/sloth, they become gluttons/sloths because they're getting continually fatter, which is driven by hyperinsulinemia. Insulin resistant people have a higher respiratory quotient than insulin sensitive people. High RQ means that you're metabolizing more glucose than is normal. A low RQ means that you're metabolizing more fat. Lean/insulin sensitive people have a lower RQ. So these insulin resistant people are metabolizing glucose, and also having trouble storing glucose into fat tissue, despite the pancreas dumping insulin into the bloodstream, and having trouble accessing their stored body fat as energy. As the body is desperately trying to clear glucose, it will eventually resort to converting glucose into tryiglyerides as they are easy to store into fat tissue, but the metabolic process is so gunked up that even the triglycerides will accumulate in the blood (as the RQ is high and glucose metabolism is high). These accumulating serum triglycerides will further decrease insulin sensitivity, cause the pancreas to pump out more insulin, etc. in a vicious feedback loop. Chronic hyperinsulinemia drives insulin resistance which usually progresses into diabetes which usually progresses into more severe diabetes and then death (if not properly managed).
All of the above applies to the people who are metabolically impaired (metabolic syndrome). There's sort of a tipping point. People who want to lose some vanity lbs can have a relatively much easier time simply cutting back calories, which by itself can lower fasting insulin levels and lead to better insulin sensitivity. Again, this works much better for people who don't have much weight to lose. This has been shown in studies. Anyone who is more than just mildly insulin resistant will have trouble just cutting back calories because they will still be dealing with chronic hyperinsulnemia that will shunt calories to fat tissue and impair metabolism. The best way to lower insulin is to not eat foods that stimulate its release: mainly carbohydrates, but to some degree protein as well. This is why low carb diets tend to work best for obese/insulin resistant/diabetic people.
There's been some interesting developments in the past week. Just yesterday, a huge bit of research was published in the journal Cell Metabolism showing that hyperinsulinemia drives obesity, not the other way around. The experiment the research was based on was done in mice, but it can be applied to humans as well; the biological mechanisms are exactly the same.
From the UBC press release:
"James Johnson, an associate professor of cellular and physiological sciences, found that in animal models, too much insulin can be harmful. He gave a high-fat diet to two groups of mice: A control group of normal mice and another group bred to have half the normal amount of insulin. The control group, as expected, became fat. But the low-insulin mice were protected from weight gain because their fat cells burned more energy and stored less. The lean mice also had less inflammation and healthier livers."
A "high fat" diet in mice is usually a diet that is high in fat and contains a good dose of sugar. Mice will go crazy eating such a concoction and their insulin levels will be uber high within a matter of days and there will be a rapid onset of obesity/diabetes/etc.
A high fat and adequate/high carb diet at a caloric excess, especially when eaten frequently over the course of the day, will trigger hyperinsulinemia in humans. In fact, just consuming a ton of sucrose will do so as sucrose will increase serum triglyceride levels and serum glucose levels at the same time, stimulating the release of insulin and also downregulating insulin sensitivity at the cellular level. This is why refined sugar doesn't have a high glycemic index compared to baked white potatoes, but is much worse on per calorie basis for pretty much anyone.
Diabetics/insulin resistant people are trickier, though. Any dietary glucose could be bad as insulin resistance is basically a chronic state. Any ingested glucose will spike blood sugar levels and cause the pancreas to try to dump insulin to clear the excess blood sugar. So you get chronically elevated insulin levels in insulin resistant people and it leads to a runaway effect of excess fat storage as the pancreas is dumping more and more insulin to try and store the glucose that doesn't want to go anywhere. This is how people get fatter and fatter until they arrive at 300 lbs. Glucose is being stored away constantly because the pancreas is dumping massive amount of insulin into the bloodstream to try and sequester it into fat tissue, which is the only place it will go, and the stored energy in adipose tissue (fatty acids) isn't being metabolized properly because of the high fasting insulin levels. This is why people don't get continually fatter because of gluttony/sloth, they become gluttons/sloths because they're getting continually fatter, which is driven by hyperinsulinemia. Insulin resistant people have a higher respiratory quotient than insulin sensitive people. High RQ means that you're metabolizing more glucose than is normal. A low RQ means that you're metabolizing more fat. Lean/insulin sensitive people have a lower RQ. So these insulin resistant people are metabolizing glucose, and also having trouble storing glucose into fat tissue, despite the pancreas dumping insulin into the bloodstream, and having trouble accessing their stored body fat as energy. As the body is desperately trying to clear glucose, it will eventually resort to converting glucose into tryiglyerides as they are easy to store into fat tissue, but the metabolic process is so gunked up that even the triglycerides will accumulate in the blood (as the RQ is high and glucose metabolism is high). These accumulating serum triglycerides will further decrease insulin sensitivity, cause the pancreas to pump out more insulin, etc. in a vicious feedback loop. Chronic hyperinsulinemia drives insulin resistance which usually progresses into diabetes which usually progresses into more severe diabetes and then death (if not properly managed).
All of the above applies to the people who are metabolically impaired (metabolic syndrome). There's sort of a tipping point. People who want to lose some vanity lbs can have a relatively much easier time simply cutting back calories, which by itself can lower fasting insulin levels and lead to better insulin sensitivity. Again, this works much better for people who don't have much weight to lose. This has been shown in studies. Anyone who is more than just mildly insulin resistant will have trouble just cutting back calories because they will still be dealing with chronic hyperinsulnemia that will shunt calories to fat tissue and impair metabolism. The best way to lower insulin is to not eat foods that stimulate its release: mainly carbohydrates, but to some degree protein as well. This is why low carb diets tend to work best for obese/insulin resistant/diabetic people.
Sorry i meant the generic "you" in my post, not you personally. Good numbers on your lifts you are just about my size too although I dont know my current BF%.
Yes counting calories works for me too. I also have gotten lean without counting by just cleaning up my diet. I suppose "clean" means different things to different people but for me it was a lot of lean protein, veggies and only some oatmeal in the way of grains. I also am sure that I ate at a deficit when I was focusing on eating clean. I just wasnt tracking calories.
I'm shooting for about 10% bf now while keeping strength and my goal is to again just eat clean. I might go full paleo this time and see if it's easier, but in any case severely restrict sugar and processed grains. I do not plan to count calories.
Good luck with your goals!
Going fairly low carb is the quickest way I managed to lose weight. It wasn't just that though, I exercised more and ate less in general. If you really want to lose weight and get healthier than I think it's better to use multiple approaches.
I did start getting stomach cramps, though, which went away when I brought the carbs back so I think it's something people should be careful with.
I did start getting stomach cramps, though, which went away when I brought the carbs back so I think it's something people should be careful with.
I think finding a good psychological match with a diet is really important. The diet that is easiest for the individual to stick to that results in weight loss is the best diet for that person. The later comments about hyperinsulinemia are really interesting. I guess it doesn't apply in my case but I hope more people find what works for them, because ultimately nothing tastes as good as being in good shape feels. Also sex is much better when you and your partner are in better shape.
Once I hit my current goal I'll probably alternate mild surpluses and deficits depending on season. Surplus in the fall and winter and deficit in spring and summer, in hopes of getting my lifts up without exploding up to 240 pounds like I was at one point.
Jibber Hack
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Update: Day four of keeping carbs at or below 20 grams (using Atkins as a guide, but not gospel). The awkward/uncomfortable feeling has pretty much passed. Yesterday morning I woke up famished and almost had to run to the kitchen as soon as I woke up to have breakfast. This morning I felt pretty much normal.
Also, interestingly after lunch I had no desire to finish my bottle of zero cal water. So I plan to get rid of those a lot sooner than I expected I would.
Also, interestingly after lunch I had no desire to finish my bottle of zero cal water. So I plan to get rid of those a lot sooner than I expected I would.
Etrian Oddity
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I still think keeping your body in a ketogenic state is overkill.
Just eliminate sugar entirely and eliminate all grains but rice. Not all carbs are the same--broccoli and sweet potatoes have carbs and they are terrific for your body. Same with blueberries, grapes, and apples.
Moderation.
Just eliminate sugar entirely and eliminate all grains but rice. Not all carbs are the same--broccoli and sweet potatoes have carbs and they are terrific for your body. Same with blueberries, grapes, and apples.
Moderation.
While I agree with your general point in this thread, I do take issue with this statement. Just because you're losing weight ingesting garbage, it doesn't necessarily mean you are healthier for it. It's like when I see people in the Weight Loss thread demonize processed foods, but are fine with drinking diet soda. :lol
I probably should have worded it that he was healthier after losing weight even though his diet consisted of eating crap at a caloric deficit.
Being fat is extremely unhealthy, and to be fair I mean being very fat. Not just carrying an extra 20-30 pounds.
innervision961
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Hope this is ok to ask here, but I need help, and you guys see. Pretty smart.
My problem is this, I need to lose weight BUT cardio is almost out of the question for me because I have a heart arrhythmia (atrial fibrillation) and I'm not to get my heart rate too high or I may trigger an episode.
Can I still shed fat successfully with diet and walking/weight lifting? Should I expect really slow results this way? I used to be a runner and lost a lot of weight (70 + lbs) a few years ago, but I can't really do that now...
I know carbs are my enemy (right?), but that's okay, I love salads (even if I'm generous with the vinegrette and some cheese is this ok?) I love almonds/nuts/beans. I'm not a very picky eater, just a little ignorant.
Any help or pointing me in the right direction is much appreciated, I'll be skimming over the rest of the thread in the mean time.
My problem is this, I need to lose weight BUT cardio is almost out of the question for me because I have a heart arrhythmia (atrial fibrillation) and I'm not to get my heart rate too high or I may trigger an episode.
Can I still shed fat successfully with diet and walking/weight lifting? Should I expect really slow results this way? I used to be a runner and lost a lot of weight (70 + lbs) a few years ago, but I can't really do that now...
I know carbs are my enemy (right?), but that's okay, I love salads (even if I'm generous with the vinegrette and some cheese is this ok?) I love almonds/nuts/beans. I'm not a very picky eater, just a little ignorant.
Any help or pointing me in the right direction is much appreciated, I'll be skimming over the rest of the thread in the mean time.
Been researching this Paleo/Primal thing for a bit.
As an anthropologist I quickly started to suspect parts of it. It advertises anthropological data completely wrong. Looking at hunter/gather societies that we can still observe today shows a high use of starches and an actually low use of animals. Animals are not easy to hunt, a very unrealiable source of food. And in cultures that hold pigs there are often ritual moments where they actually ate the pigs (often all at once in 1 big feast) and more moments where they didn't eat animals at all.
A good video from a biological anthropologist on this issue;
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread71524.html
As an anthropologist I quickly started to suspect parts of it. It advertises anthropological data completely wrong. Looking at hunter/gather societies that we can still observe today shows a high use of starches and an actually low use of animals. Animals are not easy to hunt, a very unrealiable source of food. And in cultures that hold pigs there are often ritual moments where they actually ate the pigs (often all at once in 1 big feast) and more moments where they didn't eat animals at all.
A good video from a biological anthropologist on this issue;
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread71524.html
I have lost about 80 pounds over the last year with a low carb diet and the only exercise I've had is a simple 15 minute sledgehammer routine that builds upper body strength, and that only about half of the time. The weight lifting has made me noticeably stronger, but there has been no impact on the speed of my weight loss between the times when i'm lifting and when I'm not, other than perhaps a slight slowdown when I first start lifting again after stopping for a while ( A water weight issue, from what I can gather.)
Basically, diet is the most important factor for weight loss. Exercise is important for health, but diet is the key to weight loss.
Paleo diet is whatever you want it to be. It's not low carb or high fat or protein, it's getting all the crap out of your diet. I think you'll find most people get plenty of veggies on it.
There is examples of both extremes in hunter gatherer socities though. Compare the traditonal diets of the Inuit (meat, fish and more meat, limited vegetation) and Kitavan (pretty much all starchy root vegetables). The most important part is quite simple. No crap.
the primal diet is just for you since it advocates weight lifting, walking, and sprints for exercise (in order of importance). So yea, there is absolutely no need to do cardio to lose weight. Like 80% of weight loss/weight gain is due to diet. If you eat right - meaning no sugar, no grain (or at least drastically cut down on it), and eat real foods with weight lifting, you will lose a ton of weight.
Meats and Veggies are awesome. Dairy, fruit and nuts are fine if you can handle them. Beans, well, those are iffy, best to eat those rarely
marks daily apple is my favorite blog for this stuff
eggs are food of the gods. Insanely healthy and delicious. eat as many as you want
TheExecutive
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How hard is it again? I am sure this has been said but it is a VERY easy equation. Consume less calories than you burn off and your body will expend its reserves. It's that simple. I understand that when you gain weight you tend to gain more but that's due to two factors:
1) your metabolism slows
2) due to your lifestyle
1) your metabolism slows
2) due to your lifestyle
TheExecutive
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Depends on your weight but eggs are good for a couple reasons:
1) you eat them in the morning
2) they have all the essential proteins and fat that you need.
youd be wrong, its a lot more complicated than that. A calorie is not a calorie. What type of calorie matters
Trent Strong
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A little, but not really.
perryfarrell
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The title of this thread is just so dumb.
I mean, if you want to 'modify' (or add some nuance to) the mainstream understanding of nutrition and exercise, sure go ahead. But if you end up making even more ridiculous claims than the view you're criticizing, you're doing it wrong. People on The Biggest Loser lose weight; and they increase their exercise and change their diet.
I mean, if you want to 'modify' (or add some nuance to) the mainstream understanding of nutrition and exercise, sure go ahead. But if you end up making even more ridiculous claims than the view you're criticizing, you're doing it wrong. People on The Biggest Loser lose weight; and they increase their exercise and change their diet.
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Deleted member 17706
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No one's saying you won't lose weight if you exercise and change your diet.
What we're saying is, people who are fat, aren't fat because they don't exercise or simply eat "less." They're fat because they eat foods that make them fat.
It's all about what you eat. Anyone without serious medical problems can effortlessly stay thin without exercise as long as they avoid certain foods.
So, no, the thread title is not dumb. Too many people think that overweight is a character deficiency where people are just too lazy.
perryfarrell
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So you're saying that the lack of exercise has NOTHING to do with fat people being fat? And that the AMOUNT they eat (in volume or in calories) has nothing to do with their weight either? And you're saying that small portions of fat-making food can make one fat?
All these claims strike me as prepostorous. Again, I see that protein-heavy/carb-light diets work for some people (personally not a fan). But a diet that sensibly includes protein, fat and carbs in a certain ratio can work as well.
I don't see why, in order to defend the Paleo diet (or whatever this craze is called), it is necessary to make such exaggerated claims.
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