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NHL January |OT| Taking it outside, and other Winter Classic cliches
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What exactly were you saying in May, June and July? Particularly after this? You were ready to ride Bobrovsky through 11/12 without getting a more reliable goaltender?
Mac and I just had a debate about Bryz/Vokoun and which contract would have made more sense, so I enjoy returning to it when the stats favour Vokoun (and ignoring it when they don't).
gutter_trash
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nice fuckin game
yankeehater
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what a crazy series of events there.
poor bryz, noone likes him it seems
I still like Bryz. Flyers only hope is he gets it going.
brucewaynegretzky
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I was saying that we should have kept the Bob/Boosh duo and just let Bob develop. Signing a gamble like Bryz was dumb. I'm also NEVER in favor of giving Russians big contracts.
The stats will never favor Bryz again.
EDIT: Keep in mind that I'm of the opinion that you don't need an elite goaltender to win a cup, and that the money is better spent on depth at defense and solid, defensive minded forwards.
just seemed like from the two eps i saw of 24/7 he was kind of the outcast. Felt bad for him since he seems like a nice,yet eccentric guy.
Zod the Bear
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Crazy lucky there. Agh.
I'd hoped for Vokoun over Bryz because he'd've gone for a shorter contract and we could've kept working with Bob. Bryz was looking longterm and I wanted more of a rental. I settled in and let myself get excited for Bryz, and it's hurt. Really hoping he rallies one of these games.
I'd hoped for Vokoun over Bryz because he'd've gone for a shorter contract and we could've kept working with Bob. Bryz was looking longterm and I wanted more of a rental. I settled in and let myself get excited for Bryz, and it's hurt. Really hoping he rallies one of these games.
so tempted to post a picture of leighton after the cup winner...must...resist.
I actually agree with you though.
though makes me wonder how much faith the flyers org really has in Bob if they're gonna go sign some guy to an 9 year contract.
The one after his universe comments when jagr wouldn't sit with him and someone else had a confrontation at the lunch table.
Then he talked about his pad breaking during a shootaround and the guys started targeting that area.
Also comments from Phoenix teammates about how he was aloof.
brucewaynegretzky
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Leighton was a BAD goaltender. There's a difference. And besides you won with fucking Niemi.
K I just figured all Flyers fans were tired of their goaltending letting them down in the playoffs. You're more patient than I expected. You've also got a lot of faith in Bobrovsky, for better or worse.
I didn't take the lunch table stuff too seriously. Seemed more like joking around. But I also don't remember the pad breaking stuff.
Not at all surprised if he's not too popular, though. Massive contract and underwhelming goaltending.
Giant Robot
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I sure hope this works out for the Sharks in the end.
I dunno, felt like they were laughing at him a bit as opposed to with him during that scene. Just didn't seem genuine.
That we did
You need a competent goaltender to win the Stanley Cup, at least post-lockout. Four of the last six cup winners had elite level goaltending in the playoffs, while the other two had decent goaltending.
Ward: 2.14 / .920
Giguere: 1.97 / .922
Osgood: 1.55 / .930
Fleury: 2.61 / .908
Niemi: 2.63 / .910
Thomas: 1.98 / .940
Obviously Holmgren (or ownership) didn't feel comfortable relying on Bobrovsky and his poor playoff numbers again, but what I can't understand is why that apprehension made them go out and overspend on another guy with less than stellar playoff numbers. It doesn't make any sense to me.
brucewaynegretzky
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Bob didn't play enough to get numbers worth considering "bad." The sample size was way too small. He didn't get enough trust. He played some amazing games last postseason.
yankeehater
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And some horrible games. Definitely more bad then good. No way could they come back with Bob with such a talented team.
brucewaynegretzky
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Bob was a rookie, and 21. The expectation is he improves. That's why you keep a competent backup like Boosh to play with him.
You chose poorly.
It was definitely a small sample size, but if I were Holmgren, I wouldn't really have much confidence in a goalie who had 0 wins / 3.23 / .877 in two starts and four relief appearances.
I really think that Bobrovsky will be a legitimate #1 goalie in a few years, but I can see why Holmgren would go out and get a guy who can allow him to get better at his own pace. With that being said, I don't think Bryzgalov should have been that guy.
yankeehater
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Except Boosh is complete trash. Getting rid of him was the best move they made last year.
brucewaynegretzky
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This is your years of conditioning talking. Boosh never put up particularly bad numbers. He's always been competent.
I hate shootouts.
Zod the Bear
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Shoutouts are in fact, the worst.
And so it ends. Hell of a lot of effort for missing so many guys.
And so it ends. Hell of a lot of effort for missing so many guys.
brucewaynegretzky
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If I ever meet Bryzgalov in person I will kick him in the nuts.
gutter_trash
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while wearing a skate
brucewaynegretzky
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Gomez or Bryzgalov?
nope.
Yeah, and if your goalie is just competent in the series, than you've got to hope that the other goalie is no better (or the team in front of him worse). Few great teams plan on having just 'competent' goaltending. Chicago had signed Huet to big money and was forced to rely on Niemi.
I think relying on Bobrovsky/Boucher would have been too risky given how good the team could be with better goaltending. That said, giving Bryz so much money wasn't the way to go either. But after goaltending fucks you over for so many years, eventually you just want to throw money at a supposedly 'elite' goaltender. We Canucks fans know that better than anyone.
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HOLY SHIT WHAT A DAY!
Crazy game, even if I was only paying 25% attention to it on GameCenter. I was not about to miss Lord Brady sacrificing his body to lead the way back to where the Patriots belong.
Crazy game, even if I was only paying 25% attention to it on GameCenter. I was not about to miss Lord Brady sacrificing his body to lead the way back to where the Patriots belong.
KernelPanic
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If he doesnt turn it around Flyers better hope for amnesty buyouts at the next CBA.
Or you can hire Dave Tippett after Phoenix goes to Quebec. He knows how to make Bryz look good.
Or you can hire Dave Tippett after Phoenix goes to Quebec. He knows how to make Bryz look good.
TemplaerDude
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DISAGREE
alexthekid
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You need good goaltending but you don't need an elite highly regarded and highly payed goalie. Ward was definitely not an elite goalie going into his first NHL season and his numbers we're poor as hell going into the playoffs. I can give you Giguere since he had really proved himself in the playoffs before but he also had a pretty poor playoff behind him. Osgood? He was crazy good in the playoffs but I would never call him an elite goalie going into the playoffs. Fleury I can give you that he was highly regarded(although known for bad goals), but it is also kind of fun that he had worse or just as bad stats as any of the others. I also believe that it is better to spend the money on different things than an elite goalie. Niemi? Nope. Thomas? Yes but this is thomas, you can't just go out and sign a Thomas. It's better to run an upcoming goalie and hope for a lucky break and that he will run hot, Spend the money on depth.
I also can't believe the amount of shit Leighton gets for that Playoff, he was a big reason that they got so far in the beginning.
brucewaynegretzky
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No, he wasn't. He played poorly the entire time. Boosh won the first series. The only thing that made him look good was the Flyer physically abusing the diminutive Habs forwards into submission.
I'm here to stay
Can you guys give us some care tips? Are there any rules like not feeding him after midnight?
brucewaynegretzky
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Abandon all hope. That's what we've done.
bury him alive before it's too late
Someone has to set him off and get banned along with him.
If you pick things apart like that, you're basically arguing that there are very, very few elite goaltenders in the NHL at any given moment since their statistics can fluctuate so wildly. Maybe we'd be better saying that what a team generally needs is an elite performance and you often don't know where that's going to come from. That said, obviously a GM would want to increase his chances of getting that elite performance by having a goalie that is reliably very good. Just maybe don't compromise your team's depth in order to get it.
brucewaynegretzky
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That's not Bryz, and there was certainly an argument at the time to say he wasn't going to be very reliable.
SpectreFire
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It's like the Matrix. Someone sacrifices themselves to get him banned, and then there's peace for two weeks until Tabris returns and the cycle repeats again.
Listen to this man. You'd be doing both the NFL and NHL threads HUGE favors.
I'm not making an argument for Bryz, brucey. I think they should have signed Vokoun.brucewaynegretzky said:
There are no rules in chaos.
It is your only option.
Alucard: "My name is...NEO"
brucewaynegretzky
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Vokoun didn't want to sign with Philly. They talked to him. I said if they were gonna do anything they should have sent out offers for Schneider, Bernier, and Rask, then if nothing happened just ride Bob.
yankeehater
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I would take Bryz over any of those options.
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