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[Shogmaster]

Definitely getting the 10090XT If they really release one and a Ryzen9800X3D(successor) so I most likely will have still better performance than a PS7 Pro.

PS7 Pro? Is that the one that you snort up your nose or is it the one you stick up your ass?

 

[riko]

No, I need a proper desktop gaming rig, not some gimped bullshit AI bait product with unified memory crap. 24+GB will do just fine for the time being, QWEN and other LLM can perform quite well within those constraints already.

QWEN3 14B 4-bit on a 24gb GPU is going to performance worse than any of the tiny and very cheap frontier models. I don't know why you'd bother over gpt5.4-mini, tokens are cheap. You can run 32B barely, but good luck with context.

If you're doing work of value these days you're using Sonnet/Opus anyway, nothing FOSS can get anywhere close, even on a pair of RTX 6000s.

 

[Shogmaster]

LPDDR on dgpus? Seems like a terrible idea.

Terrible idea? Or genius idea? Imagine if AMD offers RX 10060XT AI edition with 64GB of LPDDR5X for $250 more than the regular edition.

Sub $750 AI card with gaming performance better than 4080 Super? ARC B70 who?

 

[//DEVIL//]

You guys really don't learn....

Hyping yourselves just to get slapped in the face by reality in the end.
Every AMD GPU gen the same drama.

5090ish performance for a grand, lol....

No card will be touching the 5090 in performance but the 6090.

I highly doubt the 6080 will even come close considering the difference between the 5080 and 5090.

Even the 4090 is superior than the 5080 in everything outside of multi frame gen.

 

[riko]

Terrible idea? Or genius idea? Imagine if AMD offers RX 10060XT AI edition with 64GB of LPDDR5X for $250 more than the regular edition.

Sub $750 AI card with gaming performance better than 4080 Super? ARC B70 who?

I mean 250 bucks is straight up impossible today but assuming a more realistic price…
for what use case? Tinkering very slowly? The frontier models are so far ahead of open source.

Sure you can get some kinda fun inference going at very slow speeds, but a Mac Mini does that too if you are willing to give up CUDA. ROCm PyTorch is still a pita.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

1. LLM values RAM amount more. 24GB will force you to use heavily quantized models. Hallucinations all day lol

2. No practical difference between AT3 in discrete card and the APU version as far as performance is concerned, unless some card ODM decides to juice the shit out of the card for OC.

What are we doing anyways? Meme image generation? Vibe coding? Making those shitty AI voice over YouTube videos? I suppose that's light years better than starting your videos with "What's up YouTube It's yer Boi blah blah blah" lol

Yeah I'm a software engineer, I don't do social media.

A 4090 smokes any unified memory system as VRAM is a LOT faster for AI related tasks than regular memory/RAM. That goes for BOTH prompt digestion AND token output. There's a reason 4090/5090 cost as much as they do.

Also your assumption regarding the amount of halluzinations is misinformed, as that varies greaty within the same model depending on the task.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

QWEN3 14B 4-bit on a 24gb GPU is going to performance worse than any of the tiny and very cheap frontier models. I don't know why you'd bother over gpt5.4-mini, tokens are cheap. You can run 32B barely, but good luck with context.

If you're doing work of value these days you're using Sonnet/Opus anyway, nothing FOSS can get anywhere close, even on a pair of RTX 6000s.

Seems you know EXACTLY what my private workload looks like as you're throwing around lots of half baked recommendations taken from some stackoverflow or reddit thread. I use Anthropics products daily for work, I know what they can do. That's not what I'm after for strictly private use though.

 

[riko]

Seems you know EXACTLY what my private workload looks like as you're throwing around lots of half baked recommendations taken from some stackoverflow or reddit thread. I use Anthropics products daily for work, I know what they can do. That's not what I'm after for strictly private use though.

Well I am an ML guy and an exec at a fairly sizable AI company. I know the tech very well.

Enjoy your porn, sorry, PRIVATE use case I guess? FWIW you can sign zero retention deals with both Anthropic and OpenAI with nothing upfront and do whatever you like (No Fable for zero retention customers)

Thanks for the personal insults tho

 

[Shogmaster]

I mean 250 bucks is straight up impossible today but assuming a more realistic price…
for what use case? Tinkering very slowly? The frontier models are so far ahead of open source.

Sure you can get some kinda fun inference going at very slow speeds, but a Mac Mini does that too if you are willing to give up CUDA. ROCm PyTorch is still a pita.

Ummmm..... nVidia just AIjeculated all over Computex with N1X Spark which has far less performance than AT3 so...

 

[riko]

Ummmm..... nVidia just AIjeculated all over Computex with N1X Spark which has far less performance than AT3 so...

I know, and I have friends who are all in on Spark, but I am just not seeing it. We had a few DGX units for testing.

Best desktop setup is still a pair of RTX6000, but $$$$

 

[Shogmaster]

Yeah I'm a software engineer, I don't do social media.

A 4090 smokes any unified memory system as VRAM is a LOT faster for AI related tasks than regular memory/RAM. That goes for BOTH prompt digestion AND token output. There's a reason 4090/5090 cost as much as they do.

Also your assumption regarding the amount of halluzinations is misinformed, as that varies greaty within the same model depending on the task.

AMD also has 384bit LPDDR6 option for AT3. 614 GB/s aint exactly 1TB+/s of GDDR7 but it aint total crapola either, ya?

 

[riko]

AMD also has 384bit LPDDR6 option for AT3. 614 GB/s aint exactly 1TB+/s of GDDR7 but it aint total crapola either, ya?

I think that'll compete well with the Apple solutions, but still kinda pokey for big models.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

AMD also has 384bit LPDDR6 option for AT3. 614 GB/s aint exactly 1TB+/s of GDDR7 but it aint total crapola either, ya?

I'd hate to see how expensive that would be. AT2 might be cheaper at that rate.

 

[Shogmaster]

I think that'll compete well with the Apple solutions, but still kinda pokey for big models.

Im sure AMD will full retard an AI version of AT0 with 96GB of VRAM on 512bit bus...

 

[Shogmaster]

I'd hate to see how expensive that would be. AT2 might be cheaper at that rate.

No way LPDDR6 gonna be more costing than 36Gbps GDDR7. That'd be cray cray.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

No way LPDDR6 gonna be more costing than 36Gbps GDDR7. That'd be cray cray.

384-bit versus 192-bit. AI has fallen in love with LPDDR too so it's not like the chips would be much cheaper.

 

[Shogmaster]

384-bit versus 192-bit. AI has fallen in love with LPDDR too so it's not like the chips would be much cheaper.

Meh, that just few more mm² on the IO die. And yes, LPDDR5X got AS EXPENSIVE as GDDR7 right now bc of AI data centers, but more than? No way Ho-Zay~

 

[riko]

Meh, that just few more mm² on the IO die. And yes, LPDDR5X got AS EXPENSIVE as GDDR7 right now bc of AI data centers, but more than? No way Ho-Zay~

Part of the problem isn't the specific memory types having demand, its that the manufacturers are shifting capacity away from LPDDR and to HBM.

 

[SScorpio]

Based on what Kepler said, there won't be a Z3 Extreme. AMD is losing interest and not investing in the handheld space

That would be a pretty classic AMD move. Stop investing in handheld. The AMD powered PS5/6 Portable releases and raises interest. Intel or NVIDIA push their solution and take over the PC segment.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

That would be a pretty classic AMD move. Stop investing in handheld. The AMD powered PS5/6 Portable releases and raises interest. Intel or NVIDIA push their solution and take over the PC segment.

I thought the Z products were just the regular APUs with the NPU disabled. I don't think AMD would stop OEMs from just using the regular models instead.

 

[Shogmaster]

I thought the Z products were just the regular APUs with the NPU disabled. I don't think AMD would stop OEMs from just using the regular models instead.

Exactly. AT4 is your handheld chiplet. Madusa Premium for everybody!

 

[hardwood007]

Exactly. AT4 is your handheld chiplet. Madusa Premium for everybody!

Is Medusa premium going to use rdna5? I lost track with AMD's naming

 

[Shogmaster]

Is Medusa premium going to use rdna5? I lost track with AMD's naming

24 CU RDNA 5. 128bit LPDDR5X. Probably 24 to 32 GB.

 

[rm082e]

LPDDR on dgpus? Seems like a terrible idea.

Only on the lower end cards. The medium and high end get GDDR7.

 

[hardwood007]

24 CU RDNA 5. 128bit LPDDR5X. Probably 24 to 32 GB.

Fuck, it's still a 128bit memory bus. Same problem of memory bandwidth bottleneck

 

[kasrkinsquad]

That would be a pretty classic AMD move. Stop investing in handheld. The AMD powered PS5/6 Portable releases and raises interest. Intel or NVIDIA push their solution and take over the PC segment.

I've used Radeon my whole life and I honestly think handheld PCs need Nvidia GPUs. Nvidia is still super popular and Intel/Nvidia APUs might help make handheld PCs mainstream.

I can see AMD abandoning handhelds to Intel so they can save the silicon for more profitable product lines. OEMs love these things though. Take a laptop APU, use cheap tablet parts, and sell them for the price of a laptop.

 

[Shogmaster]

Fuck, it's still a 128bit memory bus. Same problem of memory bandwidth bottleneck

RDNA 5 is more bandwidth efficient than RDNA 3/4. 160GB/s shpuld be good enough for 24 CUs.

 

[SupremeJ]

24 CU RDNA 5. 128bit LPDDR5X. Probably 24 to 32 GB.

+ 64MB GPU cache (more "bandwidth")

It will be fine for a $599 Xbox model

 

[Shogmaster]

+ 64MB GPU cache (more "bandwidth")

It will be fine for a $599 Xbox model

HEY! Don't be stealin' my horseshit predictions!

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I would love to see AMD release straight up bangers but…

I say this every time and every time I'm let down. The only hope is that Nvidia doesn't seem to give a shit about gaming anymore so maybe AMD can capitalize on that.

 

[Wolzard]

RDNA 4 slapped the right way so I dunno wat yer talking about elf boi.

yeah...

AMD's desktop GPU market share hits all-time low despite RX 9070 launch, Nvidia extends its lead [Updated]

So, AMD does not ramp its RDNA 4 GPUs?

www.tomshardware.com

Nvidia dominates gaming GPU market with 95 percent share as sales of AMD Radeon graphics plummet to a historical low of 5 percent

Nvidia strengthens its position on the market of discrete GPUs as AMD's market share continues to dive, whereas Intel fails to gain traction.

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Shogmaster]

yeah...

AMD's desktop GPU market share hits all-time low despite RX 9070 launch, Nvidia extends its lead [Updated]

So, AMD does not ramp its RDNA 4 GPUs?

www.tomshardware.com

Nvidia dominates gaming GPU market with 95 percent share as sales of AMD Radeon graphics plummet to a historical low of 5 percent

Nvidia strengthens its position on the market of discrete GPUs as AMD's market share continues to dive, whereas Intel fails to gain traction.

finance.yahoo.com

Those are horseshit reports. RDNA 4 vs 50 series, RDNA 4 sold far more (nVidia starved the gamer channels for the AI channels lol).

Also, nVidia lost gamer support this gen while AMD gained them (melting connectors, buggy drivers, ridiculous street prices, etc..).

 

[FudwigTheLastPunter]

RDNA 4 was a huge improvement over RDNA 3 in Q1 2025, giving us FSR 4 image scaling and big improvements in Ray Tracing.

Now RDNA 5 will be coming out in 2027 (Q2? Q3?), with even bigger improvements, using TSMC N3P. So let's look at the leaked line up with speculated clocks, RAM, and performance vs RDNA 4 / RTX. (leaks says 1.1x raster and 2X RT of RDNA 4):

RX 10050XT? (AT4) -
24 CU @ 3.5 GHz (?)
12~16GB 128bit LPDDR5X 10000 (?) 160 GB/s
~95% raster, ~175% RT of 9060XT
~100% raster, ?RT of RTX 3070
$300~350

RX 10060XT? (AT3) -
48 CU @ 3.4 GHz (?)
16~24GB 256bit LPDDR5X 10000 (?) 320 GB/s
~190% raster, ~340% RT of 9060XT
~105% raster, ?RT of 4080 Super
$450~550

RX 10070XT? (AT2) -
68 CU @ 3.2 GHz (?)
16~24GB 196bit GDDR7 864 GB/s
~125% raster, ~227% RT of 9070XT
~ 104% raster, ?RT of RTX 5080
$700~800

RX 10090XT? (AT0) -
96 CU @ 3 GHz (?)
24~36GB 384bit GDDR7 (?) 1.7TB/s
~165% raster, ~300% RT of 9070XT
~90% raster, ?RT of RTX 5090
$1000~1200

I am soooo fucking excited for RDNA 5....

LPDDR5X on a desktop GPU? Make it make sense.

 

[Puscifer]

They've let everyone down every single time. I am not expecting much from AMD.

The 9070 XT is far from a let down and the 7900 XTX is maturing extremely well.

 

[pepeno]

LPDDR on dgpus? Seems like a terrible idea.

Not really, gpus use compression nowdays. Bandwidth start to matter a lot on high resolutions for which those smaller gpus aren't made.

LPDDR5X on a desktop GPU? Make it make sense.

Either you pay 300$ for gpu with LPDDR5X or you pay $600 for same gpu but with GDDR6. GDDR is very expensive right now, much more so than DDR or LPDDR.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Either you pay 300$ for gpu with LPDDR5X or you pay $600 for same gpu but with GDDR6. GDDR is very expensive right now, much more so than DDR or LPDDR.

LPDDR is very popular with AI now.

 

[Hohenheim]

No card will be touching the 5090 in performance but the 6090.

I highly doubt the 6080 will even come close considering the difference between the 5080 and 5090.

Even the 4090 is superior than the 5080 in everything outside of multi frame gen.

Agree.
I would be very suprised if the Rdna5 flagship is close to a 5090, and same with the 6080.
I have a 5090 for my main rig, and a 5080 in my living room "steam Machine" . Hopefully the rdna5 flagship will be a good upgrade over the 5080, and make my "steam Machine" more ready for VRAM hungry games in the next few years.

 

[Shogmaster]

LPDDR5X on a desktop GPU? Make it make sense.

Hoo boy. Where've YOU been. LOL

 

[//DEVIL//]

Agree.
I would be very suprised if the Rdna5 flagship is close to a 5090, and same with the 6080.
I have a 5090 for my main rig, and a 5080 in my living room "steam Machine" . Hopefully the rdna5 flagship will be a good upgrade over the 5080, and make my "steam Machine" more ready for VRAM hungry games in the next few years.

Same here. 5090 main rig but 5070 fe under TV steam machine in the Formd T1 case. With x870i mobo.

I don't mind changing the 5070 to amd card just to have proper steam machine OS. But so far I have configured my windows to boot into full picture mode ( had to change some registry files etc ). So now I basically have an Xbox PC under my TV. Which surprisingly works well.

I don't even see the windows desktop. As soon as the PC boots instead of going to desktop, it boots the Xbox new boot up logo and to the Xbox interface.

Load steam games from there too.

 

[FudwigTheLastPunter]

Exactly. AT4 is your handheld chiplet. Madusa Premium for everybody!

isnt Medusa still stuck with RDNA 3.5?

 

[SantaC]

Sources for this?

Nothing. I thought this was a newsthread and walked away disappointed

 

[Shogmaster]

isnt Medusa still stuck with RDNA 3.5?

No 3.5 in Madusa. 4M in Madusa Point, and 5 in everything else

 

[kasrkinsquad]

Same here. 5090 main rig but 5070 fe under TV steam machine in the Formd T1 case. With x870i mobo.

I don't mind changing the 5070 to amd card just to have proper steam machine OS. But so far I have configured my windows to boot into full picture mode ( had to change some registry files etc ). So now I basically have an Xbox PC under my TV. Which surprisingly works well.

I don't even see the windows desktop. As soon as the PC boots instead of going to desktop, it boots the Xbox new boot up logo and to the Xbox interface.

Load steam games from there too.

I like Xbox mode. I have felt for a long time that a cross-platform launcher built into Windows by Microsoft was the way. I really like as well that they built in an option for Steam/Epic/GOG/anyone to plug into full screen.

 

[pepeno]

LPDDR is very popular with AI now.

HBM > GDDR > DDR > SSD

that's the hierarchy from most expensive to least expensive right now. DDR ram got so expensive as HBM then GDDR resources depleeted that even SSDs started to rise in prices because some companies don't want to overpay for ram and started to use ssds as memory for models which is slow but still can give you effects.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Fsr 4 is the best thing AMD has done in years. At least iq wise they are way closer to nvidia than poopstick Fsr3.1 was.

 

[Shogmaster]

Fsr 4 is the best thing AMD has done in years. At least iq wise they are way closer to nvidia than poopstick Fsr3.1 was.

FSR4 wouldn't exist without FP improvements in RDNA 4. Imagine how good FSR Diamond/5 will be for RDNA 5!

 

[Hohenheim]

Same here. 5090 main rig but 5070 fe under TV steam machine in the Formd T1 case. With x870i mobo.

I don't mind changing the 5070 to amd card just to have proper steam machine OS. But so far I have configured my windows to boot into full picture mode ( had to change some registry files etc ). So now I basically have an Xbox PC under my TV. Which surprisingly works well.

I don't even see the windows desktop. As soon as the PC boots instead of going to desktop, it boots the Xbox new boot up logo and to the Xbox interface.

Load steam games from there too.

Same here for the living room PC. Windows booting straight into big picture mode, and basically no difference from Bazzite/Steam OS. Easier to undervolt / overclock too.
I'd gladly move to AMD if the next flagship makes sense vs the 5080, but I'm in no rush to ditch Windows for that rig.
With a few WinUtil tweaks , I dont see/feel any of the Windows bloat.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

10090XT sounds amazing on paper, but I always take these rumors with a massive grain of salt.

This has happened with every Radeon GPU generation for the last 15 years at least. Wildly optimistic speculation based on some "leaked" specs, followed by a sobering reality when it launches.