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[Danjin44]

In theory is should be in your download list forever but who knows with Sony... they removed P.T. from those lists.

It should but like you said you never know and that my biggest fear.

I hate they are taking option away from us and there is no positive spin around this.

 

[German Shocks]

Ability to hold the game data.

For next gen AA and AAA games?
I doubt it.

 

[Pop]

Doesn't matter to me. Im not spending 1k plus on a home console

 

[MisterXDTV]

My biggest fear is when we go all digital and I'm forced delete a game because my storage is getting full but when I decide to re-download that game and Sony removed the game same way Netflix removes movies from their selection....WTF I'm gonna do then? I just lost access to game I paid full price.

Netflix has temporarily licenses, just like Sony movie store has

But for games, it's basically perpetual now, unless the publisher forces them to delist a game

 

[Durin]

I mean it goes both ways. My PS5 has gotten the least use vs any other Playstation generation so far, and I got it wrongly assuming it would have similarly good games + selling my PS4 Pro to pay for half of it since it had a disc drive with back compat.

My PS5 library is less than 10 games at this point, so unless they improve their output I don't see a PS6 in my future until it hits late gen bargain bin price...if that's still possible then with memory prices.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Yeah but do people need a PlayStation?

 

[Major Insano]

Nobody needs Sony either.

 

[Bojji]

For next gen AA and AAA games?
I doubt it.

Biggest games this gen can be on 2 discs (FFVII Rebirth ~150GB). I think even GTA6 could be on 2 discs.

But next gen consoles will have low storage (not bigger than current gen) thanks to high NAND prices, game developers can't go too crazy with game sizes - data will be heavily compressed.

 

[German Shocks]

Yeah but do people need a PlayStation?

Nobody needs Sony either.

Where else can you play The Last of Us 3 and Intergalactic?

 

[Hero_Select]

Yeah but do people need a PlayStation?

Don't want to spend $1000+ to play a Sony exclusive game every 5 years?

 

[Bojji]

Where else can you play The Last of Us 3 and Intergalactic?

Why would you want to play them?

 

[German Shocks]

persona non grata

 

[Sleepwalker]

Where else can you play The Last of Us 3 and Intergalactic?

The last of us part 2 came out like 7 years ago and I still haven't played it

 

[Durin]

Biggest games this gen can be on 2 discs (FFVII Rebirth ~150GB). I think even GTA6 could be on 2 discs.

But next gen consoles will have low storage (not bigger than current gen) thanks to high NAND prices, game developers can't go too crazy with game sizes - data will be heavily compressed.

Only solutions are buying external drives that are cheaper memory, or neural rendering compressing everything since it will infer rather than store whole texture files.

 

[Bojji]

It should but you like you said you never know and that my biggest fear.

I hate they are taking option away from us and there is no positive spin around this.

I wonder what will happen with games with licenses, like Sport games or driving games. I still have GT Sport on my download list so maybe they will be fine?

On the other hand, you can't be 100% sure - they just removed hundreds of "bought" movies.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Biggest games this gen can be on 2 discs (FFVII Rebirth ~150GB). I think even GTA6 could be on 2 discs.

But next gen consoles will have low storage (not bigger than current gen) thanks to high NAND prices, game developers can't go too crazy with game sizes - data will be heavily compressed.

Forgot all about NAND prices.

The next PS console might come out with 256gb of storage lol

 

[German Shocks]

The next PS console might come out with 256gb of storage lol

That's not even enough for next gen horse armor.

 

[Bojji]

Forgot all about NAND prices.

The next PS console might come out with 256gb of storage lol

You will get 512GB and you will happy

One COD install per console.

 

[FauxXeno]

Anyone thinking that they can boycott Sony for that is just dreaming.

We will have to make a decision as old school consumers: drop from their ecosystem or comply. That's it.

Sony knows exactly what they are doing here.

I'm sorry you feel shackled but moving on is as easy as 123 , you act as if it's some parasitic relationship you can't escape from . Only sheep and the weak willed will let a master control them . Ecosystem mean nothing if you're only planning on buying newer games , only 2 games I play on ps5 currently are FFxiv and PoE2 and the data isn't tied to ps5 so I can play em on whatever , just like a toxic relationship you just gotta walk away

 

[Loomy]

It won't be cheaper lol

Sony is gonna increase the prices because... why not? Who is gonna stop them? Consumers have no other option anyway.

Digital DD2 vs. NEW physical copy:

If only it were that simple

 

[Fabieter]

My biggest fear is when we go all digital and I'm forced delete a game because my storage is getting full but when I decide to re-download that game and Sony removed the game same way Netflix removes movies from their selection....WTF I'm gonna do then? I just lost access to game I paid full price.

You are allowed to rebuy it for fullprice.

 

[TGO]

Here we go again
As already mentioned

Sony only recognizes the revenue it keeps from its own first-party games. They do not report the full retail price of a third-party physical game sold at a store like Amazon or GameStop as their own "revenue."
With digital Sony recognizes the full transaction value for every game sold on the PlayStation Store, regardless of whether it's first-party or third-party.
This makes digital revenue appear vastly larger than physical revenue because the accounting methods are fundamentally different. It makes physical media look small while digital looks massive when it's not.
The 85% figure is also heavily padded by items that cannot be bought physically
The actual number for how many people buy Physical Disc is actually bigger than the Xbox Series X/S userbase.
Let that sink in.
And I'm going to guess most of them are early adapters too.

Those early Adapters don't jump on board in the numbers they did before you can kiss goodbye to the other percentage that'll save them.
I'm sure some will cave in, but it'll be a knock on effect regardless.

 

[TGO]

If only it were that simple

you had to look for that price didn't you

 

[Guilty_AI]

My biggest fear is when we go all digital and I'm forced delete a game because my storage is getting full but when I decide to re-download that game and Sony removed the game same way Netflix removes movies from their selection....WTF I'm gonna do then? I just lost access to game I paid full price.

Only way to be safe it is with DRM-free games, where local copies of the game work normally without needing online checks.

Unfortunately that isn't guaranteed in the PS enviroment. Technically digital games there will work offline right now forever, but only in that specific console. And a single firmware update can change even that so the console must be kept offline most times. Only realistic solution is a jailbroken console.

 

[Loomy]

you had to look for that price didn't you

No it was the first listing on the PS Store and EBgames(largest game retailer in Canada). But you're kind of proving my point. It's not as simple as "PS Store high, other retailers low". Prices are still MSRP and there's no mandate to match Sony's pricing.

My biggest fear is when we go all digital and I'm forced delete a game because my storage is getting full but when I decide to re-download that game and Sony removed the game same way Netflix removes movies from their selection....WTF I'm gonna do then? I just lost access to game I paid full price.

I imagine it will work the same way it does today. Delisted game means you can't purchase it. But if already purchased, you can always redownload/delete/redownload it as many times as you want.

 

[Edgelord79]

I have no clue why Sony wouldn't believe in the resolve of gamers to follow through… hopefully they're wrong though.

 

[dgproject]

True. They don't need me. Thankfully I don't need them either.
Win-win.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

I bought a disc drive add-on for my PS5 Pro thinking yeah i'll pick up some of these disc games real cheap on sales, not seen a single game on sale for a price i'd be willing to pay for it, still have never used this disc drive except to try a bluray in it.

 

[Edgelord79]

No it was the first listing on the PS Store and EBgames(largest game retailer in Canada). But you're kind of proving my point. It's not as simple as "PS Store high, other retailers low". Prices are still MSRP and there's no mandate to match Sony's pricing.


I imagine it will work the same way it does today. Delisted game means you can't purchase it. But if already purchased, you can always redownload/delete/redownload it as many times as you want.

Maybe but it's definitely a legitimate concern. There needs to be better laws in place protecting digital purchases in my opinion.

 

[RavageX]

This sounds like the kinda fan that will bend over and hold their cheeks apart happily for any large business/corporation/CEO.

 

[kaizenkko]

Well, we don't need them either.

I'd rather stop playing games altogether than buy another Sony console.

 

[anyasok]

I dont need them either. Woke first party lineup, severe technological underinvestment and GaaS focus and yet high prices for everything games and hardware. Nah fam im good. That applies to all companies not just sony. Gaming is dead. I miss the previous game eras and envy people who have backlogs for years or those who can go back to retros. I just like the new shiny shit exclusively and not interested in gaming beyond that

 

[GravityMan]

I'm cool with Sony not "needing me". I already had one foot out the door for several years.

 

[Memati187]

 

[Woggleman]

Like it or not when digital is 90% of sales this makes sense.

 

[German Shocks]

Like it or not when digital is 90% of sales this makes sense.

And the actual percentage might be closer to 95%.

 

[Woggleman]

A good solution would be to produce a smaller amount of disks but make them available on special order.

 

[StereoVsn]

Meh, there is 0 chance I am getting anything from Sony now. I will stick to PC.

You guys are free to get shafted by Sony's digital pricing for new games and PSN+.

 

[German Shocks]

A good solution would be to produce a smaller amount of disks but make them available on special order.

I wonder if physical media enthusiasts would pay extra for this?

 

[Bonkerzzz]

 

[March Climber]

Honestly a few months after physical stops, there will be thread after thread on here with titles like 'I was so wrong about digital, its way better', etc.

I was the same when i went PC only towards the end of the 360/PS3 gen. I made quite a few posts on old Gaf about have to be digital only, but very quickly i realised the benefits, and simply realised its way better, easier, and cheaper.

As a digital goods owner on Xbox and Playstation, the issue with their digital stores isn't the convenience or price, it's the slow decay of a backlog.

Consoles can't seem to keep more than two generations of content before closing down the content from three generations ago.

It un-sells people on the idea of creating a fully accessible digital library on consoles compared to GoG or Steam.

Until Sony and Xbox can actually prove that they won't slowly start removing PS4 and Xbox One games (or access to them) within the next decade or two, then there's no good reason to having any sort of 'collection' of games on either storefront.

 

[A.Romero]

I'm sorry you feel shackled but moving on is as easy as 123 , you act as if it's some parasitic relationship you can't escape from . Only sheep and the weak willed will let a master control them . Ecosystem mean nothing if you're only planning on buying newer games , only 2 games I play on ps5 currently are FFxiv and PoE2 and the data isn't tied to ps5 so I can play em on whatever , just like a toxic relationship you just gotta walk away

I don't understand why you got that idea from my post.

I can easily walk away from Playstation if I wanted to.

Most of my library is PC and digital. I've been buying digital on PC for basically 2 decades. I don't do the same for PSN because the motherfuckers won't let me (when I created my account I was living in another country and now that I'm back to my home country I can't transfer my account). I basically have to decide between keeping my account history (2 decades) or being able to buy stuff from their store. Now they pretty much deciding for me.

In my country their online store doesn't even respect the basic consumer rules (prices in local currency with taxes included and stuff like that) so no, PSN sucks ass and unless they fix it I have nothing to do with them. I like some of their games but I can make do without Insomniac et al.

With MGS4 coming out soon I'm having a hard time thinking of a game I really want to play and it's not available elsewhere...

If they pull their act together from now until 2028 I might reconsider but under this conditions I would only buy their games on PC going forward.

 

[Woggleman]

There needs to be a law that if they remove a title from the store you can still keep it or recieve a full refund. I accept that things have changed but so should laws protecting the customer.

 

[March Climber]

I wonder if physical media enthusiasts would pay extra for this?

The issue is that video games never fully had their 'vinyl' moment, some cool-looking format that would actually attract the hipsters and audiophiles of each new generation.

Cartidges came close, but they were quickly tossed aside by everyone but Nintendo.

 

[ElCasual]

 

[bender]

Why would you want to play them?

Why wouldn't you not want to not play them?

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

It's pretty annoying when things get conflated like this.

You're reading one statistic (that 90% of all game sales are digital) and taking that to mean that 90% of all gamers don't use a disc drive/buy physical at all. That could be the case, but is extremely unlikely. What you'd need is the statistic that shows what percent of gamers strictly buy digital games and/or have no problem with going all digital. Those are different stats to the number of total digital vs physical games sold. It's not the same thing.

Also, the type of game is going to play heavily into all of this. Imagine a 10-20 hour single player only game. Is that selling 90% digitally vs 10% physical? Absolutely not. And imagine a brand new IP that's a single player 12 hour game. How is that even going to happen? So what is going to happen imo is many people will not buy the next console/s that are only digital. Sales will drop and it will be very hard to get that AAA 10-20 hour single player game greenlit to begin with. It is really going to hurt/change the industry.

 

[Madflavor]

It's funny cause I already decided a few years ago that I don't need Sony either when I went PC and never looked back. So I guess Sony can suck my balls.

Oh no, I'm gonna miss out on another Third Person Story Driven game that took 10 years to make and aesthetically looks the same as the rest, starring another butch lesbian or aging 40 year old.

 

[Joe Cool]

That's cool.
Loyal physical AND digital customer here for a long time, and I buy tons of games.
I bought a PS2. I bought a Slim PS2.
I eventually bought a PS3. I eventually bought a Slim PS3.
I bought a PS4 and PS4 Pro.
I bought a PS5 and I want to buy a PS5 Pro.
But maybe I'll just never buy a console from Sony again, and that means I'll buy zero games from them again. I am an outlier, sure, but if they don't need me then I don't need them. They don't want my money? No problem.

 

[nkarafo]

Well, i don't need Sony either so that's fine.