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Started Testesterone shots due to low free T

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FudgeIt

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So I seemed to be suffering from very low testesterone (the free one, not the other one) for awhile now and I finally decided to do something because at 35 years old, I am just about tired of being low energy and having low libido, especially when my wife has a higher libido than I do.

I have seen endocrinologists before where they mentioned that testesterone shots are not the way to go because they are pretty much a bandaid for a possibly underlying issue. So one of them once recommended Clomid as a response to this and I was on it momentarily until I no longer had the insurance and that endocrinologist retired.

3 - 4 years later with not doing much about it and being on hold, I visited a primary care doctor and another endocrinologist and the endocrinologist is telling me the same thing and maybe to start clomid and use GLP-1 to lose weight and once I lose weight, the testesterone should be able to increase, that I needed to change my lifestyle (reduce stress, lose weight) to get back that testesterone production. I am fine with that, I know I need to lose weight and I have lost weight recently.

But I have also started testesterone shots with my primary care doctor who says it's okay if I start on it for awhile just to get that boost of energy to help me exercise, etc. But godamn, I love this! I have increased my libido significantly where my wife has been super satisfied and I have been excited to the point where my mood is just infinitely better. Is there like anything wrong iwth just taking a low dosage of testesterone permanently or what?
 
I have no idea if it's bad or not to keep taking low dosages but still happy for you.

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I have tried TRT, and also later managed to improve my health to a point where I no longer needed it, so here are some of my experiences that might be relevant.

1. Low testosterone feels really bad. I have had major depression, and there are definite parallels between that and the way that low testosterone can make you feel. There is a significant chance that you will feel WAY better (unfortunately not a guarantee).

2. I got a little aggressive for maybe the first week. Don't stress if this happens. It will pass quickly unless your dose is way too high. It is not so much the absolute level that causes aggression as the sudden change in level. As soon as my brain was used to the new normal I was actually MORE calm and agreeable than before. (I had no issues at all with reasonable people during that week…let's just say it could be wise to avoid people / situations that you know are likely to make you annoyed.)
Alternatively, if you have the patience you could ramp up the dose slowly over a few weeks.

3. Low testosterone is often a symptom of other issues, so TRT can be just a Band-Aid solution. However for me it was a vital Band-Aid. Making the lifestyle changes to get levels back to normal takes energy and motivation….which you don't have while your levels are low. Use the TRT, but once it is working, consider using your newfound energy and motivation to investigate ways that you could improve relevant lifestyle factors. Once you have had time to make adjustments you may want to try coming off the TRT. If it works you have saved yourself the trouble of being medicated for the rest of your life, and if it doesn't you can be more confident that staying on TRT is the correct decision for you. Even if you have to stay on TRT most of the lifestyle change that improve testosterone levels are positive for your general health anyway.

4. For me some of the changes that led to me being able to stop TRT were reducing stress, eating more quality fat, reducing sugar intake, reducing alcohol, avoiding oestrogenic chemicals. All of these would have been worthwhile for my health even if they had not been enough to come off TRT.

5. Low testosterone can be a viscous cycle / downward spiral. Your hormone levels affect your mental state which effects your behaviour, which effects your hormone levels. Sometimes TRT can get you out of the cycle, and then things are good.
 
German Shocks said:
I have tried TRT, and also later managed to improve my health to a point where I no longer needed it, so here are some of my experiences that might be relevant.

1. Low testosterone feels really bad. I have had major depression, and there are definite parallels between that and the way that low testosterone can make you feel. There is a significant chance that you will feel WAY better (unfortunately not a guarantee).

2. I got a little aggressive for maybe the first week. Don't stress if this happens. It will pass quickly unless your dose is way too high. It is not so much the absolute level that causes aggression as the sudden change in level. As soon as my brain was used to the new normal I was actually MORE calm and agreeable than before. (I had no issues at all with reasonable people during that week…let's just say it could be wise to avoid people / situations that you know are likely to make you annoyed.)
Alternatively, if you have the patience you could ramp up the dose slowly over a few weeks.

3. Low testosterone is often a symptom of other issues, so TRT can be just a Band-Aid solution. However for me it was a vital Band-Aid. Making the lifestyle changes to get levels back to normal takes energy and motivation….which you don't have while your levels are low. Use the TRT, but once it is working, consider using your newfound energy and motivation to investigate ways that you could improve relevant lifestyle factors. Once you have had time to make adjustments you may want to try coming off the TRT. If it works you have saved yourself the trouble of being medicated for the rest of your life, and if it doesn't you can be more confident that staying on TRT is the correct decision for you. Even if you have to stay on TRT most of the lifestyle change that improve testosterone levels are positive for your general health anyway.

4. For me some of the changes that led to me being able to stop TRT were reducing stress, eating more quality fat, reducing sugar intake, reducing alcohol, avoiding oestrogenic chemicals. All of these would have been worthwhile for my health even if they had not been enough to come off TRT.

5. Low testosterone can be a viscous cycle / downward spiral. Your hormone levels affect your mental state which effects your behaviour, which effects your hormone levels. Sometimes TRT can get you out of the cycle, and then things are good.
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Thanks for your insight! Yep, I do feel a bit aggressive. But this is my 2nd week in and it's gotten so much better and I do agree with the whole feeling a bit more agreeable and calm. I feel like this has been a lifesaver for me. I will keep this all in mind for sure. I am excited. I feel like this is what I really needed man and I am fucking jazzed.
Jinzo Prime said:
Fuck man, how does one get started with this? Do you need a referral to an endocrinologist? I'm tired of feeling tired all the time.
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You can probably just go to a primary care doctor but he may refer you to an endocrinologist. I sort of went with an endocrinologist first because I knew I had this issue and it came out multiple times in the past. I feel like my endocrinologist wouldn't have hesitated to give me T shots if I said yes. My primary care doctor was more cool about it and also a man and I am not even joking, he was like man, you know how many men come in here and have the same issues and feel like a whole new person on this? THe only issue I have is that I am going to Florida for 1.5 months and I won't be able to see him so I need to call tomorrow to see if he can give me a prescription so I can take an injection or 2 while I am in Florida.
 
methane47 said:
how low was your T level? do you remember the count? and what is it now after the therapy?
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I haven't checked my after therapy, I'm still early but I think we're going to do blood work in 1.5 months. These were my levels with the reference ranges. They were showing up as Red

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS -

196 L

Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL


TESTOSTERONE, FREE

34.3 L

Reference Range: 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
 
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Glad you feel better OP. Just be sure not to rely on TRT long term unless there is a medical need per your doctor after you've exhausted all options with improving your health naturally. But take advantage of the newfound energy in the short term to establish good eating and exercise habits.

On the subject of exercise, a lot of folks overcomplicate it IMO when the reality is to just do anything that gets your muscles fatigued from exertion. You could get away with doing nothing but pushups, pullups, and body squats and you'd hit just about every muscle in your body in some way. You don't need fancy equipment either, you can literally make what you need with a bit of ingenuity. For example, I do farmer's carries using 5 gallon buckets from Menard's that cost me $4 each, filled with sand/dirt you can get outside for free.

Good luck on your journey to better health!
 
My T total was like 276 last time I checked... no clue about T -Free... urologist offered to put me on TRT within 2 minutes of stepping in the office, but i felt that was too quick.... I'll check again in a few months
 
Been giving myself a shot every two weeks since January. It definitely resparked my sex drive at 44. Some guys just need it. I was at a point where nothing was turning me on anymore.

Now the hard ons I get sometimes come out of fucking nowhere just like high school. Tucking up into my waistband before I get up from my desk and everything. It's pretty awesome.

It's an interesting substance. Very thick and kinda gooey. When you inject it you really have to push down hard on the plunger.
 
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Chuck Berry said:
Been giving myself a shot every two weeks since January. It definitely resparked my sex drive at 44. Some guys just need it. I was at a point where nothing was turning me on anymore.

Now the hard ons I get sometimes come out of fucking nowhere just like high school. Tucking up into my waistband before I get up from my desk and everything. It's pretty awesome.

It's an interesting substance. Very thick and kinda gooey. When you inject it you really have to push down hard on the plunger.
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Yeah that's the one thing I'm concerned about because he was doing it for me but he prescribed it now since I'm going away and I may need to look at the best way to inject it.
 
Macattk15 said:
That's just not true for everyone, especially if you have something else causing hypogonadism etc.
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Sure, but for most people they have low T because they're either old (which is normal) or fat. I get that we're in the generation of "biohacking" with GLP 1 agonists and every single middle aged man turning to T to deal with their midlife crisis, but lets not pretend what the actual problem is in 90% of cases.
 
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Chuck Berry said:
Sounds so simple but that doesn't work for everyone. At all.
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perhaps not for everyone but for the vast majority

Low T is more and more common but unless you have underlying issues like you mentioned it can be greatly improved or even resolved by doing what I said.
 
How is the gaming side or appreciation now?

I know its early days since the change but are you noticing your more willing to sit and play or do anything else really
 
Nocty said:
perhaps not for everyone but for the vast majority

Low T is more and more common but unless you have underlying issues like you mentioned it can be greatly improved or even resolved by doing what I said.
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There's not a shred of evidence to support this. I wish it was true, as I've been training hard for over twenty five years now and I'm pretty jacked at 39, but the truth is that lifting often causes temporary increases in testosterone that precipitate drops in equal measure after protein synthesis is wrapped up, so it's a wash basically. Decreasing abdominal adiposity will help T levels, but eating red meat simply will not, and in fact it will probably drop T levels if your training isn't on point as red meat is pretty high in saturated fat, so you'll have to keep an eye on that if you indulge in a delicious New York Strip too often.

Wife's a registered dietician, so I'll say this and I hope you guys trust me here: You definitely wanna watch that red meat intake man. It's fine in moderation, but it's extremely risky to eat a lot of it, and the jury is not out on this by the way; red meat is simply not all that healthy. Hell, it even has a lower PDCAAS, (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score), than fucking soy lol, which actually has an extremely high score, 99% if memory serves while beef is typically around 92 to 95, sometimes as low as the high 80's. Red meat is relatively high in creatine, but at about a gram a pound of steak, not only will you be obese if you get all your creatine from steak, you'll also be broke. I know manosphere guys don't wanna hear it, but the truth is the only real way to improve resting T levels is to supplement testosterone, and the following can help in minute ways: get enough sleep, keep belly circumference low within reason, keep zinc levels on point, reduce stress levels and make time to relax and have fun, and make sure you're eating enough healthy fats for hormone regulation. Weight training is simply not going to move the needle much, but absolutely everyone (especially women as their bone density decreases much faster than ours so they're at vastly higher risk of osteoporosis than us), should still engage in resistance training often as it's the number one way to retard the aging process, even over endurance or flexibility training, and building muscle creates a glucose sync which will decrease the chances of type 2 diabetes and also improve your triglyceride count.

In short, try not to eat much red meat as it's incredibly risky, and infact everyone needs to cut back on meat consumption in general, but keep protein high and try to consume lean, protein rich foods that have high PDCAAS scores, like fish, chicken, dairy, lentils, quinoa and soy, (gasp! - yeah, soy is perfectly healthy and can be eaten in moderation, and in fact it can even drop estrogen levels as it aids in estrogen regulation), and beyond that just try to keep movement levels high and train often and safely. Oh and creatine monohydrate is perfectly fine, but try to stay at 5 grams a day, 10 if you're an absolute unit, but 5 will be plenty for the vast majority of people.

Carbs aren't the enemy, meat isn't the enemy, dairy isn't the enemy, soy isn't the enemy, and fat isn't the enemy; stress, depression, bad sleep cycles, lack of exercise, and unbalanced diets are the enemy. Everything in moderation guys.

I'm in the best shape of the last twenty five years of training and I'm low test, (not low enough for the VA to prescribe me TRT but I'm pretty close), but I keep my nutrition balanced and I train very intensely daily and give myself two days off a week as I'm somewhat prone to overuse injuries, so that gives my tendons and ligaments some much needed recovery time. Warm up well every time you train, be good to yourself seek out fun, train intensely!(you're only cheating yourself if you train like a yuppie folks), but keep your volume at a reasonable level every week. Aim for at least ten working sets to failure for each muscle group per week, and the hypertrophy is guaranteed as long as you're truly reaching failure; many people have no idea how to train to true failure, as it fucking sucks, but that's where the golden goose of hypertrophy lies. Don't waste money on pre or post workout supplements as they're pointless, simply have a bowl of oatmeal about two hours before training and a banana with a cup of coffee about a half hour before training and you'll have the absolute best pre workout possible, and for post workout just eat a lean protein that has some kind of simple carb in it, like dextrose; absolutely no need for expensive nonsense. Stay away from all manner of weight gainers as they're all simply retarded. Make the majority of your diet produce, eat lots of fiber, and simply stay active and happy; that's truly and honestly the key.
 
poodaddy said:
There's not a shred of evidence to support this. I wish it was true, as I've been training hard for over twenty five years now and I'm pretty jacked at 39, but the truth is that lifting often causes temporary increases in testosterone that precipitate drops in equal measure after protein synthesis is wrapped up, so it's a wash basically. Decreasing abdominal adiposity will help T levels, but eating red meat simply will not, and in fact it will probably drop T levels if your training isn't on point as red meat is pretty high in saturated fat, so you'll have to keep an eye on that if you indulge in a delicious New York Strip too often.

Wife's a registered dietician, so I'll say this and I hope you guys trust me here: You definitely wanna watch that red meat intake man. It's fine in moderation, but it's extremely risky to eat a lot of it, and the jury is not out on this by the way; red meat is simply not all that healthy. Hell, it even has a lower PDCAAS, (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score), than fucking soy lol, which actually has an extremely high score, 99% if memory serves while beef is typically around 92 to 95, sometimes as low as the high 80's. Red meat is relatively high in creatine, but at about a gram a pound of steak, not only will you be obese if you get all your creatine from steak, you'll also be broke. I know manosphere guys don't wanna hear it, but the truth is the only real way to improve resting T levels is to supplement testosterone, and the following can help in minute ways: get enough sleep, keep belly circumference low within reason, keep zinc levels on point, reduce stress levels and make time to relax and have fun, and make sure you're eating enough healthy fats for hormone regulation. Weight training is simply not going to move the needle much, but absolutely everyone (especially women as their bone density decreases much faster than ours so they're at vastly higher risk of osteoporosis than us), should still engage in resistance training often as it's the number one way to retard the aging process, even over endurance or flexibility training, and building muscle creates a glucose sync which will decrease the chances of type 2 diabetes and also improve your triglyceride count.

In short, try not to eat much red meat as it's incredibly risky, and infact everyone needs to cut back on meat consumption in general, but keep protein high and try to consume lean, protein rich foods that have high PDCAAS scores, like fish, chicken, dairy, lentils, quinoa and soy, (gasp! - yeah, soy is perfectly healthy and can be eaten in moderation, and in fact it can even drop estrogen levels as it aids in estrogen regulation), and beyond that just try to keep movement levels high and train often and safely. Oh and creatine monohydrate is perfectly fine, but try to stay at 5 grams a day, 10 if you're an absolute unit, but 5 will be plenty for the vast majority of people.

Carbs aren't the enemy, meat isn't the enemy, dairy isn't the enemy, soy isn't the enemy, and fat isn't the enemy; stress, depression, bad sleep cycles, lack of exercise, and unbalanced diets are the enemy. Everything in moderation guys.

I'm in the best shape of the last twenty five years of training and I'm low test, (not low enough for the VA to prescribe me TRT but I'm pretty close), but I keep my nutrition balanced and I train very intensely daily and give myself two days off a week as I'm somewhat prone to overuse injuries, so that gives my tendons and ligaments some much needed recovery time. Warm up well every time you train, be good to yourself seek out fun, train intensely!(you're only cheating yourself if you train like a yuppie folks), but keep your volume at a reasonable level every week. Aim for at least ten working sets to failure for each muscle group per week, and the hypertrophy is guaranteed as long as you're truly reaching failure; many people have no idea how to train to true failure, as it fucking sucks, but that's where the golden goose of hypertrophy lies. Don't waste money on pre or post workout supplements as they're pointless, simply have a bowl of oatmeal about two hours before training and a banana with a cup of coffee about a half hour before training and you'll have the absolute best pre workout possible, and for post workout just eat a lean protein that has some kind of simple carb in it, like dextrose; absolutely no need for expensive nonsense. Stay away from all manner of weight gainers as they're all simply retarded. Make the majority of your diet produce, eat lots of fiber, and simply stay active and happy; that's truly and honestly the key.
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supermarket beef in the usa and most of europe is very different to high quality, pasture for life and grass fed organic beef here in the UK. I have a great supplier of it.

The diet the cow eats for it's life contirbutes massively to what is in the end result, and a lot of the stuff you wrote there is correct for mass produced, GMO slop fed cows in poor living conditions.

I don't eat red meat daily, maybe 2-3 times per week max, I try to get a fair bit of wild caught salmon and shellfish, a ton of fermented food like saurkraut and kimchi, fresh well cooked fruit and vegetables with a low amount of oxilates such as corgettes, berries etc, fresh oranges and generally follow the Ray Peat diet with a lot less sugar than he consumed. My health and bloodwork is supreme compared to what it was 10 years ago on a godawful diet of processed shit and no gym.

Pomegrante is great for men too, I eat a ton of those little fuckers. I also take 2-3 shots of extremely high quality, high polyphenol olive oil daily with a pinch of turmeric and pepper for the amazing benefits Byran Johnson highlighted in his studies. The green gold as it's called. For fibre intake I typically get a lot of shitake mushrooms, well cooked with roasted garlic and herbs. I tend to avoid high amounts of saturated fat from animal sources, cook with coconut oil and stuff too.

I'm still trying to lose a bit of weight right now so restricting calories accross the board, seeing good results with a 2k per day cal intake right now. My journey started at 600 ng/dL around 10 years ago, at 29 years old. Thers days im 39, with 1,100 ng/dL at my last blood test. This is very good for someone my age. Probably genetic according to my doctor but he's been very supportive of my changes.
 
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StueyDuck said:
How is the gaming side or appreciation now?

I know its early days since the change but are you noticing your more willing to sit and play or do anything else really
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I just find myself happier around my wife and being able to make her laugh and desiring moving more. I still want to find time to game though.
 
Nocty said:
supermarket beef in the usa and most of europe is very different to high quality, pasture for life and grass fed organic beef here in the UK. I have a great supplier of it.

The diet the cow eats for it's life contirbutes massively to what is in the end result, and a lot of the stuff you wrote there is correct for mass produced, GMO slop fed cows in poor living conditions.

I don't eat red meat daily, maybe 2-3 times per week max, I try to get a fair bit of wild caught salmon and shellfish, a ton of fermented food like saurkraut and kimchi, fresh well cooked fruit and vegetables with a low amount of oxilates such as corgettes, berries etc, fresh oranges and generally follow the Ray Peat diet with a lot less sugar than he consumed. My health and bloodwork is supreme compared to what it was 10 years ago on a godawful diet of processed shit and no gym.

Pomegrante is great for men too, I eat a ton of those little fuckers. I also take 2-3 shots of extremely high quality, high polyphenol olive oil daily with a pinch of turmeric and pepper for the amazing benefits Byran Johnson highlighted in his studies. The green gold as it's called. For fibre intake I typically get a lot of shitake mushrooms, well cooked with roasted garlic and herbs. I tend to avoid high amounts of saturated fat from animal sources, cook with coconut oil and stuff too.

I'm still trying to lose a bit of weight right now so restricting calories accross the board, seeing good results with a 2k per day cal intake right now. My journey started at 600 ng/dL around 10 years ago, at 29 years old. Thers days im 39, with 1,100 ng/dL at my last blood test. This is very good for someone my age. Probably genetic according to my doctor but he's been very supportive of my changes.
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Hell yeah, your diet is actually fucking incredible.

You're definitely right that I forget about how other countries tend to have vastly superior red meat standards to America. We actually now officially have some of the worst food standards of the entire first world, and trust me I hear about it constantly from the wife, to the extent I'm tired of hearing about it lol, but she's absolutely right in that America's food standards have just become pathetic. Yes, we do have higher quality options here in the states, but they're essentially unaffordable for families that don't make at least six figures these days. Japan is probably the gold standard for what I've seen in terms of meat quality; their beef, eggs, dairy, poultry, and seafood are out of this fucking world good, a completely different level than America, and their food tends to be even cheaper than our cheapest and lowest grade meats here in the states while retaining higher grading and processing standards than America's highest end options across the board. It's like a goddamn fantasy land in terms of nutrition, incredible food for great prices lol. I imagine that, chased with their high average levels of activity, is probably the single greatest contributor to Japan having the longest living population, on average, in the world.

I'm a patriot, I love my country, but we have got to fucking do something about how we approach food here, as we're simply not on par with several of the best countries when it comes to public food options and standards. Good on you for taking control of you health brother, I love to see people gift themselves with strength, endurance, happiness, and longevity. We're the same age too. Hey, let's keep it up bro. We got a long ways to go and a lot more work to do :D.

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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Sure, but for most people they have low T because they're either old (which is normal) or fat. I get that we're in the generation of "biohacking" with GLP 1 agonists and every single middle aged man turning to T to deal with their midlife crisis, but lets not pretend what the actual problem is in 90% of cases.
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Might be wrong, so correct me if need be, but isn't testosterone released as part of a (-) feedback loop? If your supplementing exogenous testosterone long term, I'd imagine it will become more difficult for your body to resume production if you stop taking TRT due to atrophy of systemic testosterone production.
 
Ishma3L said:
Might be wrong, so correct me if need be, but isn't testosterone released as part of a (-) feedback loop? If your supplementing exogenous testosterone long term, I'd imagine it will become more difficult for your body to resume production if you stop taking TRT due to atrophy of systemic testosterone production.
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It's meant to help me boost my energy to function but I'm told to go off of it eventually. Once I do blood tests and can confirm that my lack of obesity and my exercise helped production
 
FudgeIt said:
It's meant to help me boost my energy to function but I'm told to go off of it eventually. Once I do blood tests and can confirm that my lack of obesity and my exercise helped production
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I envy you. You have an opportunity here and seem motivated to make a change. Do me a favor, if you ever find yourself in the gym looking at others and comparing yourself (which will happen because you are a human being) just remember what you are there to do.

Couple more random opinions I have about working out:

- Focus on form, not how much weight you can do. Everybody starts somewhere.
- Find something you like to do in the realm of working out whether it be running, swimming, biking, weight lifting, etc. That way on those days you just don't feel like doing anything, you can have a go to thing you like to do which is better than doing nothing at all.
- Lot of fads out there that quote random studies and white papers.
- Cardio + Weights.
 
Ishma3L said:
I envy you. You have an opportunity here and seem motivated to make a change. Do me a favor, if you ever find yourself in the gym looking at others and comparing yourself (which will happen because you are a human being) just remember what you are there to do.

Couple more random opinions I have about working out:

- Focus on form, not how much weight you can do. Everybody starts somewhere.
- Find something you like to do in the realm of working out whether it be running, swimming, biking, weight lifting, etc. That way on those days you just don't feel like doing anything, you can have a go to thing you like to do which is better than doing nothing at all.
- Lot of fads out there that quote random studies and white papers.
- Cardio + Weights.
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Exercise is the one that's hard for me. Because my preference for exercise is playing sports which is tough because time became so limited with the family. I prefer it over the gym I suppose.
 
poodaddy said:
Hell yeah, your diet is actually fucking incredible.

You're definitely right that I forget about how other countries tend to have vastly superior red meat standards to America. We actually now officially have some of the worst food standards of the entire first world, and trust me I hear about it constantly from the wife, to the extent I'm tired of hearing about it lol, but she's absolutely right in that America's food standards have just become pathetic. Yes, we do have higher quality options here in the states, but they're essentially unaffordable for families that don't make at least six figures these days. Japan is probably the gold standard for what I've seen in terms of meat quality; their beef, eggs, dairy, poultry, and seafood are out of this fucking world good, a completely different level than America, and their food tends to be even cheaper than our cheapest and lowest grade meats here in the states while retaining higher grading and processing standards than America's highest end options across the board. It's like a goddamn fantasy land in terms of nutrition, incredible food for great prices lol. I imagine that, chased with their high average levels of activity, is probably the single greatest contributor to Japan having the longest living population, on average, in the world.

I'm a patriot, I love my country, but we have got to fucking do something about how we approach food here, as we're simply not on par with several of the best countries when it comes to public food options and standards. Good on you for taking control of you health brother, I love to see people gift themselves with strength, endurance, happiness, and longevity. We're the same age too. Hey, let's keep it up bro. We got a long ways to go and a lot more work to do :D.

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my nigga.

I lived in Japan for half my adult life, I was in mourning when I came back to the UK. Food here is very good quality but Japanese wagyu is something I will miss forever.

I got very overweight in Japan though as you can imagine, even if the food is high quality you can still get fat as hell lmao.... the ramen joints man I was hitting those shits daily, noodles and seafood, and ice cream / candy stores are another level over there. I must have spent like half my paycheck eating out for 10 years straight.
 
what's the different between these and the open secret of the ones all the celebrities use as they inject themselves with testestorone or estrogen to look like they're still 40 at age 60
 
GateofD said:
what's the different between these and the open secret of the ones all the celebrities use as they inject themselves with testestorone or estrogen to look like they're still 40 at age 60
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What's the open secret one they're using? Are you talking about adenochrome? Or something like that?
 
I've been taking enclomiphene @ 12.5mg daily for about a month. It's raised my T levels from 300 to like 570, though I don't necessarily feel any benefits .... yet I hope. Wife and I still wanna have another kid so TRT wasn't an option yet.

I have no idea if I'll eventually feel better or not ... or where I'll even plateau T level wise.
 
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Macattk15 said:
I've been taking enclomiphene @ 12.5mg daily for about a month. It's raised my T levels from 300 to like 570, though I don't necessarily feel any benefits .... yet I hope. Wife and I still wanna have another kid so TRT wasn't an option yet.

I have no idea if I'll eventually feel better or not ... or where I'll even plateau T level wise.
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I started enclomiphene about 6 weeks ago and my T went from 350 to 910 😮

They say it can sometimes take months or even a year before you feel the full benefits. What I have noticed so far:

Sex drive - no change (mine has always been pretty good, but more is always better!)

Energy level - no change

Mood - more stable. Generally in a decent mood all the time now. Not easily bothered.

Gym performance - HUGE improvement. I'm lifting heavier and feel like I've been putting on muscle far, far easier than before
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
I started enclomiphene about 6 weeks ago and my T went from 350 to 910 😮

They say it can sometimes take months or even a year before you feel the full benefits. What I have noticed so far:

Sex drive - no change (mine has always been pretty good, but more is always better!)

Energy level - no change

Mood - more stable. Generally in a decent mood all the time now. Not easily bothered.

Gym performance - HUGE improvement. I'm lifting heavier and feel like I've been putting on muscle far, far easier than before
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That is good to hear. What dose are you on? I feel like I should be on the highest dose instead of the mid one. My mood does seem a little better, but that is about it.
 
After brain fog and all around feeling shitty after 45- got tested and level was 380

Went private pay pellets at approx $800 every 6 months. For last 2 years, keep a level of about 950 and it's amazing.

Dropped 12 pounds, hard as a rock for wifey and Pornhub, brain fog gone, and never felt better.
Highly recommended
 
When I was fit, I had test levels of 30 nmol/l or 860 ng/dl. When I get fat, that level gets straight up halved even while retaining muscle mass. So, fat mass makes a massive difference.

With that being said, I'll probably hop on TRT before turning 40. My body needs very high test levels to actually see and feel the effects probably due to androgen receptors not being so responsive. If I get even the slightest stress or more body fat, my testosterone levels plummet. TRT would basically fix that for me, giving a steady supply of T no matter what.
 
Badgerst3 said:
After brain fog and all around feeling shitty after 45- got tested and level was 380

Went private pay pellets at approx $800 every 6 months. For last 2 years, keep a level of about 950 and it's amazing.

Dropped 12 pounds, hard as a rock for wifey and Pornhub, brain fog gone, and never felt better.
Highly recommended
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About how long did it take you to feel the full effects?
 
FudgeIt said:
I haven't checked my after therapy, I'm still early but I think we're going to do blood work in 1.5 months. These were my levels with the reference ranges. They were showing up as Red

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS -

196 L

Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL


TESTOSTERONE, FREE

34.3 L

Reference Range: 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
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Yeah. That's low. Tell doctors to fuck off. Sure, there could be some other issues like weight. But it's not a bandaid.

Testosterone is cheap. That's their issue
 
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