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[Zacfoldor]

This is hilarious and people know my AI love but I can't get behind this.

I want AI to raise all ships. Even the devs who hate it. AI is a true good to our world.

This sentiment of the OP is not a good but rather an apathy.

I do want them to succeed in most cases. Especially in Japan.

That said, I almost did a funny response instead. It's too good, lol. Game devs will read this and think we all believe it, lol. <3

 

[Wolzard]

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

 

[Danjin44]

I mean no offence to anybody but if someone says something like this I would assume you don't care about this hobby.

Even in movies people care about directors and actors because they one making things we enjoy.

 

[FMN]

based

Most of the problems they have are self inflicted anyways.

 

[Moondoggy]

 

[rodrigolfp]

I don't care about them as human beings, their well being

Cut their arms off and see if they can make your games...

 

[StereoVsn]

Avg joe technical dev/programmer is neccecary collateral dmg of western studios making woke games that underperorm sales wise, it cant be avoided. Its not on me, its on project/studio heads and even executives above them.

If that guy is skilled enough he will find another job quickly, likely he will have to grind more there and for smaller salary which is fine too, western AAA devs salaries are way too high anyways.

If dev is smart and has necessary experience, they will leave the industry and go to regular business companies for higher salaries. We are seeing a lot of burn out and experienced developers (actual developers not "community managers") leaving for easier work and more money.

I know it's hard to believe but generally game dev has higher stress and less money vs regular businesses.

 

[PeteBull]

If dev is smart and has necessary experience, they will leave the industry and go to regular business companies for higher salaries. We are seeing a lot of burn out and experienced developers (actual developers not "community managers") leaving for easier work and more money.

I know it's hard to believe but generally game dev has higher stress and less money vs regular businesses.

Its their life/bread so i dont blame them, again i blame top executives/studio and project heads.

 

[dorkimoe]

Damn you must be good with people and have lots of friends

 

[PeteBull]

Damn you must be good with people and have lots of friends

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Precisely, yesterday I read very sad news: the studio behind Shady Part of Me and MIO: Memories in Orbit has shut down. These people are passionate and extremely talented but very bad at marketing and didn't have the mainstream media backing them up as they did with Mixtape.

That's one of the very few cases in which we are losing by their demise.

 

[Emmy Ator Best]

Have to agree

 

[No Banana]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

We believe you, Asha

 

[Bondo]

Yes and No.
I agree with alot of your take. Disagree with others.

At the end of the day - thats their career chosen. Its no different than any other job except you have a bunch of mongrels online either praying for your success or praying for your downfall.
Just gimme some good games. Personally, i dont get caught up in wishing for downfalls of companies/devs etc. I just wont pay for what doesnt interests me regardless of who makes it.

At my job nobody gives a shit about me - they just want what i put out. Is what it is. lol

 

[vindafarna]

Honestly, you make a good point, OP.

The game devs honestly don't care about me, so I don't care about them either. Their focus should be to make a fun game.

 

[sCHOCOLATE]

I don't give a damn about video game developers. I don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood. I don't care about lay offs, AI, Unions, crunch, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns.

I as a consumer only care about one thing: Is this game fun? I don't care about gaming as a medium out side of of me consuming it and I am sick of all the belly aching about game developers on the internet. To any and all game developers, get back in the kitchen and make me another game.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

This industry is obsessed with talking about how hard poor developers have it, as if they were the most exploited people out there.
I don't have to deal with this crap with any other product I buy.

You dont have to deal with it at all.
Show us the person who holds a gun to your head, and forces you to register and post here?
Oh you're here voluntarily?
Lol, lmao even.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I only care about the game and companies that makes my favorite games so zero fucks given if the company doesn't make a game I like loses their jobs. And good thing all the layoffs that's been happening these past few years are all from companies that have games I don't like so all fine by me.

 

[PeteBull]

Have to agree

Eastern europe and asian devs got no problem fulfilling our desires, majority of western dev studios better catch up quickly

 

[Laptop1991]

I only care about the games as well, so i do agree,, but that was a great rant lol, loved it.

 

[HarryKS]

They got a bit too cocky with their high salaries at some time some would say.

 

[_Ex_]

I do wonder if on movie forums people obsess about film studios. Or if on music forums people obsess about recording studios.

 

[Danjin44]

I do wonder if on movie forums people obsess about film studios. Or if on music forums people obsess about recording studios.

I would say movie enthusiasts care about directors and actors and for music is the artist.

 

[crackajack]

Well they don't care about you either.

and I think that's fine.

A consumer has to care about the product and only optionally about the circumstances that surrounds that product. And the corporation has to care about making a profit with their products, following labor laws but only optionally make it pleasant for their workers.

Layoffs and whatnot are objectively interesting, in some monopoly like thought meta game, but are hardly primary thoughts about what drives my mind in gaming.

 

[Sohurmk833]

and I think that's fine.

Of course it is. They alone will reap the consequences. See Bungie.

 

[begotten]

If they're American I agree.

 

[BbMajor7th]

I don't think anyone's morally obliged to care about the wellbeing of people who work in the industry, but an industry which keeps laying off staff, canceling projects and buying up talent only to turn around and shut it down within a few years doesn't live in isolation from the products and services it produces. Good games are made in stable industries. Talent goes where the money and the security is.

People yelling at industry leaders over lay-offs and union-busting have the right guys in their sights for the right reasons - the absurd and patently false cult of corporatism that insists on infinite grow is the problem. The bad games, the lay-offs, the PR gaffs and the every other silly thing. They're just symptoms of the rot.

 

[Hudo]

I care about devs. I do not care about their management, however. 90% of the problems we have in this fucking industry are because management is fucking retarded. Look at Andrew Wilson, look at Satellite Nutella, look at Hermen Hulst, look at Strauss Zelnick, etc. All fucking retarded dipshits.

 

[ReyBrujo]

OP got a point, though. A fired game dev is a crisis, yet thousands of devs are fired on large organizations but nobody cares as if game devs were special. Well, they kind of do, most are worthless in the software industry because of all the bad habits they carry over.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

tons of stories about workplace issues, then also tons of games that push an agenda and arent fun

know what was cool about power stone 2? it was fun.
if your game's not fun, some sob story's going to fall on increasingly deaf ears

 

[Felessan]

Similar attitude so many people in my neighborhood took with one of our stores. "They got insurance, I don't care about those businesses or employees!" Store shuts down because everyone robbed it out of existence and all of a sudden "where am I going to shop?! It's a food desert! The system!!!!"

You ain't got to love no body but it doesn't hurt to wish good will on your fellow man, especially ones that produce something you enjoy.

It's pityfull when business robbed (in case of games - pirated) out of existence
But when a shop in back alley that selling weird crap no one wants closed - it's sad for workers and good riddance for business

 

[EntelechyFuff]

I'm with the OP, though I wouldn't use such stark terms.

We're not weeping and moaning when big construction projects are cancelled, or major movies fail to materialize (or bomb). Hell, when Amazon lays off 10 jillion people, the universal reaction is like "oh".

The gaming space has such an inbred continuum between the audience and the producers, and that results in some really strange dynamics. The mighty hue and cry that rises up every time 50 people lose their jobs (often with inconceivably generous severance packages) from Video Game Company X--both from the affected staff and from the general audience of gamers--is pretty unique in the business space, and not in a good way.

I've worked in the industry, so I'm not (just) being an armchair asshole here.

 

[Zathalus]

Thats pretty normal human nature, we dont give a damn about all kinds of artocities that happen to ppl in other parts of the world and often even in our own country, no artrocities happening to any western AAA devstudio devs, they have very enjoyable life, are paid handsomly for often mediocre results, we are jelous of those mothefuckers enjoying high life, thats about it.

You don't have to be a bleeding heart about it and boo-hoo about every layoff, but the other extreme is just complete apathy. A good balance is to be concerned about the general health of the industry and how that can affect the real talent out there - as well as future talent.

 

[PeteBull]

You don't have to be a bleeding heart about it and boo-hoo about every layoff, but the other extreme is just complete apathy. A good balance is to be concerned about the general health of the industry and how that can affect the real talent out there - as well as future talent.

I dont wish any physical harm or anything like that to devs even of worst possible shit game, just i fully accept their skill lvl isnt high enough for high status highpaid job in western AAA devstudio, why not be janitor at 1/10th of the salary instead? Thats still job useful for society and u cant push any woke agenda while doing it, unless some1 catches u preaching about alphabet ppl to ur broom or other mr.proper

 

[mitch1971]

That's true there is a very parasocial relationship with the gaming industry but to go as far as saying you

"don't care about them as human beings, their well being, their jobs, their pay, their families, their lively hood, sexual harassment or studio shutdowns."

Is just... I don't know, heartless. Even if it's for the people who make a kitchen sink we can at least have some empathy, no? It's not like anybody is asking the OP to do anything so where's the problem?

Depends who are the developers. I've noticed on GAF one studio shuts down and it's 'oh no, I hope they land on their feet'. Ubisoft closes one of their dev studios and it's 'Good, let them burn!'

 

[Soodanim]

I get where OP is coming from, but the honest answer is to remove yourself from any and all discussion sites and go back to enjoying what you enjoy. Because the truth is that GAF and every other place has so many people more interested in being as far as they can behind the curtain rather than simply enjoying the hobby, so you can't just be a casual fan on forums now.

I do miss the days of just discussing games without everything defaulting to something negative, but between the generational shift and everything else not worth getting into that shop and well and truly sailed.

 

[DeVeAn]

While I tend to agree, not to quite the same extreme, "game pass TRAINS people to not buy games" So fucking what? Let the shit happen. People will figure things out.

All the whining about a plastic Disc for GTA 6 too. These physical copies isn't preservation like some think it is.

 

[nordique]

 

[viveks86]

I mean no offence to anybody but if someone says something like this I would assume you don't care about this hobby.

Even in movies people care about directors and actors because they one making things we enjoy.

Agreed, but you should mean offense. Sometimes offending is what it takes to drive some sense into the conversation. No idea what these folks are doing on a gaming forum if all they want to do is consume. Go and consume, then. Don't waste your precious time here.

I actually completely disagree with you on this one.

This take feels extremely cynical, nihilistic and pessimistic.

Developers are people, not machines. Many talented developers are losing their jobs because of terrible management decisions, and as players, acting like that doesn't matter is ultimately bad for the industry.

Yes, there are people in the industry who probably shouldn't have the influence they do, and there are companies making decisions that hurt their games (woke activists). But there are also plenty of talented developers who genuinely want to create great games and are doing their best within the constraints they're given.

It's fair to be indifferent toward massive corporations. It's much harder to justify being indifferent toward the people working under them who often have little control over the decisions that lead to a game's failure.

If we care about gaming as a hobby, we should care at least a little about the people who make the games we enjoy.

 

[EntelechyFuff]

Depends who are the developers. I've noticed on GAF one studio shuts down and it's 'oh no, I hope they land on their feet'. Ubisoft closes one of their dev studios and it's 'Good, let them burn!'

And I think this is the healthiest dynamic for a consumer interest forum. People can say yay or boo, and move on.

At times the discussion regarding laid off game industry employees gets so maudlin I expect to hear Sarah McLachlan music.

Spoiler

On the flip side, I do think it gets weird when people post about tearing out the rot, root and stem, and stamping out the poisons etc. etc. But the frequency I see that kind of mouth-frothing take is far less than the aforementioned "Arms of an Angel" situation.

 

[Zannegan]

I mean, I get the sentiment that none of the performative "Corporation X cares" stuff matters if they can't put out a product that I care about. Companies bragging about knitting circles and safe spaces always felt irrelevant while the actual games they were putting out suffered and their messaging towards customers grew more and more arrogant and dismissive.

On the other hand, I'd like the things I use and enjoy to be made ethically. In fact, while I'm not going to stir up an impotent boycott campaign, I will refrain from buying things that come with strings attached to things I don't support. I'm not going to change the world, but I have standards.

Besides, there are more games that I am interested in than I will ever have time to play. I can afford to be picky. I don't feel the need to buy every new blockbuster that comes out when my backlog of games I want to play (bought and yet to buy) is a mile long. That's doubly true since the modern AAA space has largely been shitting the bed for the past decade.

 

[Last Hearth]

You don't care about game developers, but you want good games.

FUCK LOGIC!

The money I give for their products is all the care that I care to give.