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[Meicyn]

If u arent attrackted to dudes u dont even look at possibility of it being like that, keep in mind its from 97(manga even earlier), back then it all seemed innocent

Indeed, it "seemed innocent" which is entirely the point. There is a LOT of adult humor in Animaniacs, and yet on the surface it seems innocent when you watch it as a kid.

Griffith literally defeats Guts in one-on-one combat in their first encounter as an effete man that presents himself like a woman. This is followed by grabbing Guts' face with both his hands, inches away while staring into each others' eyes and says "you are now mine" and later we get a "shower scene" with them together. If you were presented this kind of staging in a modern show, videogame, or anime, you would be screaming "woke" from the rooftops. The subtext is blatantly obvious, this stuff is gay as fuck.

 

[March Climber]

"The word 'game' means something competitive, where you can win or you can lose... The essence of games is competition." - Gunpei Yokoi (Nintendo)

"Playing a game is a voluntary attempt to overcome unnecessary obstacles." - Raph Koster (Ultima Online)

To be fair, these quotes were said by people who thought that their own way was the correct way. They did not account for innovators who offered experiences that did not fit into their box of what gaming should be, i.e. minecraft for example.

I didn't see a game in that 30 minute video. I saw a suuuuuper annoying menu system. A word excel spreadsheet with fancy graphics, animation, and dialogue.

Maybe the "game" part reveals itself when you actually play the game...but they had 30 minutes to sell us on fun and I didn't see it.

I agree that this video was released incorrectly. I would have released the combat or story video first for a game like this.

However the other things you don't like…those are just Fable staples man …at least since part 2 most of those systems have been staples of the I.P. and considering most people here claim 2 is their most favorite, nostalgic title, it's a system that directly caters to them.

I'm more of a fan of Fable 1 myself and I also don't like Fable 2 as much as others here do, but that game won over the fanbase at large so it is what it is.

 

[odhiex]

Interesting...but yeah, as some have mentioned already, graphically downgraded from the last trailers.

I will wait for the final release.

 

[Meicyn]

I'm more of a fan of Fable 1 myself and I also don't like Fable 2 as much as others here do

My man. The original was the best of the trilogy, easily. I pretend that Kinect title doesn't exist.

 

[Thebonehead]

Why does the main character walks like a woman?

Are they seriously so stupid to not realize?

Fable arrives February 23, 2027 on Xbox Series X/S, Game Pass, Steam and PlayStation 5

 

[March Climber]

My man. The original was the best of the trilogy, easily.

Highly agreed. Regardless of what was scrapped behind the scenes, the game that made it to store shelves feels like the most complete Fable game out of the three.

I felt that way on original Xbox and still feel that way on my recent playthrough.

And my hot take was also that the combat felt the best in Fable 1. I don't know what happened or who left the team, but it felt like they went from attempting to emulate japanese game combat in 1, to doing the usual stiff, 2000s western RPG jank combat with Fable 2.

I pretend that Kinect title doesn't exist.

Man I didn't even pretend, I completely forgot lol.

 

[Nocty]

The devs used to work in car games, its only natural some faces will look like accidents.

You can date anyone!! The anyone

they mo'capped my nigga Varys from GoT into this

jokes jokes, I actually think the game looks pretty good. I could give a fuck about the graphics, Fable is a chill light rpg game to play on a friday when your brain is mashed potato.

 

[WildBoy]

They really need to work on the mouth movement on NPCs during dialogue. It looks so bad

It's a system heavy game. It's not basic like a horizon

 

[Meicyn]

Highly agreed. Regardless of what was scrapped behind the scenes, the game that made it to store shelves feels like the most complete Fable game out of the three.

I felt that way on original Xbox and still feel that way on my recent playthrough.

And my hot take was also that the combat felt the best in Fable 1. I don't know what happened or who left the team, but it felt like they went from attempting to emulate japanese game combat in 1, to doing the usual stiff, 2000s western RPG jank combat with Fable 2.

Man I didn't even pretend, I completely forgot lol.

Not a hot take to me at all, the combat definitely felt better in the original, whereas the sequel was focused more on accessibility. The original's combat reminded me a lot of Phantasy Star Online due to the player-selected mapping of abilities. Now that you have me thinking more about this, I just realized that even modern releases like the soon-to-be-shut-down New World Aeternum used a similar control scheme. And the action combat in New World was infinitely more engaging than anything in Fable 2 or 3.

 

[Stafford]

All this is cool and all and I definitely will be trying this stuff out but at the end of the day i care about the action adventure part, the quests they created for us, the main and side stories, the cool locations with enemies both human and beasts. That's what i want to see next.

 

[PeteBull]

Indeed, it "seemed innocent" which is entirely the point. There is a LOT of adult humor in Animaniacs, and yet on the surface it seems innocent when you watch it as a kid.

Griffith literally defeats Guts in one-on-one combat in their first encounter as an effete man that presents himself like a woman. This is followed by grabbing Guts' face with both his hands, inches away while staring into each others' eyes and says "you are now mine" and later we get a "shower scene" with them together. If you were presented this kind of staging in a modern show, videogame, or anime, you would be screaming "woke" from the rooftops. The subtext is blatantly obvious, this stuff is gay as fuck.

Disagree strongly, intention was different, w/e goes in ur head is another story
Man (or even teenage boy like griffith when he first fought guts)with avg or even below avg musclemass is still far from a woman, its woke mindset that only musclemass makes the difference between sexes

Rewatched whole first fight just to be sure, and obvious difference are visible right away- wide masculine shoulders and tiny hips/no feminine curves aka butt/hips/tits.
Fable protag has questionable lowerbody and animation, devs gotta fix it or at least make a slider durning char creation so lowerbody has less curves like in normal males, not skinny fat low test sissys xD

Elden Ring has token wokeness( A/B bodytype) and even they do proper male to female walk difference, its nothing complicated, just devs gotta aknowledge basic biology(which obviously some devs in the west have massive troubles with ).

 

[TheLikou]

So... can I be basically like a bank?

-Start a business
-Employ people to get some passive income
-Buy all houses in Albion
-Evict everyone from their houses turning the entire world homeless
-Buy more business and contract homeless people to work for you on the cheap

 

[Meicyn]

Disagree strongly, intention was different, w/e goes in ur head is another story
Man (or even teenage boy like griffith when he first fought guts)with avg or even below avg musclemass is still far from a woman, its woke mindset that only musclemass makes the difference between sexes

Rewatched whole first fight just to be sure, and obvious difference are visible right away- wide masculine shoulders and tiny hips/no feminine curves aka butt/hips/tits.
Fable protag has questionable lowerbody and animation, devs gotta fix it or at least make a slider durning char creation so lowerbody has less curves like in normal males, not skinny fat low test sissys xD

Elden Ring has token wokeness( A/B bodytype) and even they do proper male to female walk difference, its nothing complicated, just devs gotta aknowledge basic biology(which obviously some devs in the west have massive troubles with ).

So, you went from the Michael Jackson defense strategy to hyperanalyzing shoulder and waist circumference when all you have to do is look at this:

Like, I understand there's a lot of cool shit in Berserk with massive amounts of dark fantasy violence and masculinity which I absolutely love... but you're seriously trying to suggest to me that this isn't gay as hell? Griffith is posed like a chick. If you stuck his head onto a female body and had the exact same shot, you'd think the main character was actively being seduced. I know that's not what's happening in the manga or the anime, but the staging is 100% homo. You don't like that description because it's an IP you like a lot, but that doesn't change the reality of what we can all see with our eyes. I'll say no more on the matter.

 

[Ocean Dweller]

lip syncing needs work

 

[Buggy Loop]

Elden Ring has token wokeness( A/B bodytype) and even they do proper male to female walk difference, its nothing complicated, just devs gotta aknowledge basic biology(which obviously some devs in the west have massive troubles with ).

Pulease,

I don't mind trying to make an argument but let's not use the completely oblivious From Software's technical skills as one of those arguments.

 

[March Climber]

So... can I be basically like a bank?

-Start a business
-Employ people to get some passive income
-Buy all houses in Albion
-Evict everyone from their houses turning the entire world homeless
-Buy more business and contract homeless people to work for you on the cheap

I think so. You could buy all businesses and homes in 2 and 3, then upcharge prices and rent so that entire towns would hate you.

In Fable 3 I ended up having to squeeze people's pockets to their limit so that I could make the War quota. Sometimes I even said no to costly things like a new school, which would drop the morale of everyone. They felt mixed about me in the end. But I saved everyone.

 

[adamsapple]

So, you went from the Michael Jackson defense strategy to hyperanalyzing shoulder and waist circumference when all you have to do is look at this:

Like, I understand there's a lot of cool shit in Berserk with massive amounts of dark fantasy violence and masculinity which I absolutely love... but you're seriously trying to suggest to me that this isn't gay as hell? Griffith is posed like a chick. If you stuck his head onto a female body and had the exact same shot, you'd think the main character was actively being seduced. I know that's not what's happening in the manga or the anime, but the staging is 100% homo. You don't like that description because it's an IP you like a lot, but that doesn't change the reality of what we can all see with our eyes. I'll say no more on the matter.

PeteBull explaining why the thing he likes isn't homoerotic while the things others like are.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Combat looks like Fable 1, lol. Definitely a little simple for the time but I'm here for it. Looks great to me. Give me novelty and humor with a fun basic game concept and make it super British with old school British humor and that's exactly what I want.

Yea im liking what I see overall, hope it turns out decent

 

[uncreativename]

I haven't watched Berserk for a really long time, but iirc there was definitely some gay subtext there. He's clearly much more interested in Guts than in any of the women. But also how I interpreted what happens anyway is that Griffith is deeply selfish, which is why he reacts the way he does after Guts leaves, and then later when he escapes from prison.

 

[adamsapple]

lip syncing needs work

Lip syncing, combat animation flow etc are some of the things they iron out in the time allotted, I hope.

 

[Stafford]

lip syncing needs work

And enemy AI. Or at least the guards once they become hostile because of your actions. It's pretty shit in here.

 

[uncreativename]

Oh, one more thing. iirc it's also clear that the gay feelings are totally one-sided. Guts doesn't reciprocate any of it at all.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Please explain how a Korean studio, and a Polish studio, can absolutely nail certain twangs of the British Isles in games whilst keeping a level of humour, but Playground games can't?

How is this even possible?

I don't understand

The Witcher 3 nailed some of those brutal horrible bastard voices, which in turn was utterly humorous

This just sounds like you've stepped into a student bar in Bath.

 

[eNT1TY]

Hmmm, Playground kinda missed me with this. Visually it is about on par with Veilguard and combat looks janky and clumsy. Art direction is not cohesive, environments and architecture are stylized in parts and fairly standard in others and people while donning a nice variety of outfits look completely pedestrian and bland as opposed to the highly stylized look of previous Fable games. This will be a gamepass title for me rather than the full purchase Horizon 5 and 6 got out of me.

 

[LyricalShrike]

I thought the game looked interesting enough to try even if MS were to force me to play as a trans non-binary wheelchair person who occasionally has to honor a pride flag. I want to explore the morality and relationship systems.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think the two outfits (and tight pants for both) don't help present this change well.

Regardless, the thread has already been derailed and I'm guessing people will be discussing how male hips are supposed to move for the next few pages.

Yeah it's exhausting. Like come on guys....

 

[Knight of the Round]

It still looks feminine, the way he moves his legs is just weird. I get that you are excited for the game and dont want to hear criticism but this is not a very manly animation when walking

I don't think they go for manly period with this game.

 

[Melfice7]

wow the gameplay looks slow clunky and ... off

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

Every female character has Hulk Hogan's body posture man wtf? Why are they hating femininity this much? They removing every single feminine traits from female characters and they call this feminism.

Believe me, the woke crowd knows how babies are made. They also know that there are only two genders. They want those two genders doing anything but making babies.

All of this insufferable shit comes right back to this and only this.

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

 

[Gonzito]

Every female character has Hulk Hogan's body posture man wtf? Why are they hating femininity this much? They removing every single feminine traits from female characters and they call this feminism.

What? Nah man, you are just imagining things

 

[Gonzito]

 

[Hohenheim]

I'm gonna love this.
The original Fable is one of my all-time favourites, and I can't wait to get back to Albion!

 

[calico]

The world (excluding the standard woke population) looks good. Everything else looks like a woke slop.

Isn't that same talking pig in The Wolf Among Us?

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Who the hell made this bitch? I'd fire that mother fucker in a heartbeat

 

[Aurelius]

The more I see of this game, the more I feel like i'd rather replay the original.

 

[archangelmorph]

Game looks awesome.

Love the intricate systems at play.

You lot are babies still crying about woke shit.

All the NPCs being uggo is probably intentional, given they're all supposed to riff like ~1200, middle England peasants.

Should be great fun to play.

They do need to work on the lip syncing and combat enemy AI though.

 

[KaiserCrab]

My only complain is that everything looks too realistic and bland, I'd rather have a more cartoonist art style

And about Berserk, yes, Griffith totally has the hots for Guts; he doesn't love him, because only loves himself, but he wants him. That's why he hates Casca and also why Guys leaving the band is the last straw making him snap

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

All the NPCs being uggo is probably intentional, given they're all supposed to riff like ~1200, middle England peasants.

That looks like a middle-England peasant to you? Don't answer that, I guess.

You lot are babies still crying about woke shit.

Forget it. I'm tossing out that novel I was pointlessly writing in response. To summarize: Nah.
I'm pretty sick of this tripe. Game's a hard pass, and it'll do nothing to right the sinking ship that is Xbox. If anything, it's turning the cannon on their own hull.

The stances, postures, and facial features of the "women" are all those of men. The "male" main character has an effeminate hip sway in his walk, which no toned, sword-wielding male warrior is ever going to exhibit.

This means one of two things:
1) The developers are incompetent.
2) The developers are doing the thing, and yes, that means this game carries the message, and is thus, by parlance, "woke."

It's strictly binary. One or the other. And either means I don't care about this game.

 

[Loboxxx]

The art style reminds me a lot of those modern period dramas like Bridgetton on Netflix. Am I the only one?

 

[Negotiator101]

Please explain how a Korean studio, and a Polish studio, can absolutely nail certain twangs of the British Isles in games whilst keeping a level of humour, but Playground games can't?

How is this even possible?

I don't understand

The Witcher 3 nailed some of those brutal horrible bastard voices, which in turn was utterly humorous

This just sounds like you've stepped into a student bar in Bath.

Dude the developer is situated in the UK the voice actors are actually British not an over exaggerated version of a British person in other games

 

[Meicyn]

Honestly, if I was on their marketing team, I'd have had the team show at least one extremely attractive lady in the video. It ran for half an hour, so it's not like they were short on time. Not every lady needs to be sexualized in the game, but it's blatantly obvious that sex sells. Seriously, just one example would have helped them avoid all of this. It wouldn't take anything away from the game.

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

Honestly, if I was on their marketing team, I'd have had the team show at least one extremely attractive lady in the video. It ran for half an hour, so it's not like they were short on time. Not every lady needs to be sexualized in the game, but it's blatantly obvious that sex sells. Seriously, just one example would have helped them avoid all of this. It wouldn't take anything away from the game.

There is no saving throw for reverse-sexualizing women and giving them broad-shouldered, masculine postures and square jaws, and giving men fake-ass effete hip-sway walk cycles in the bargain.

Once you've woked, you've broked. Taking a token "hot chick" in exchange for the humiliation ritual is... underachieving.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Game is good looking but ultimately bland. The same way Starfield was bland. No edge whatsoever. A game designed not to offend. Every character ran through some woke HR filter set to high.

I also hate the modern writing in the game. It looks to have completely watered down the charm of the early Fable games. Lastly, is there a male option for your character or is the male option just a skin over the female one like they showed in earlier gameplay reveals? There needs to be clarity surrounding that.

What gave the original games charm is that it was unapologetically British. The games didn't care if they offended. There was good and evil and if you were evil you could do evil things. I imagine the modern version of this if it even exists is being good or kind of a dick. This game has taken so long in development I suspect because they have had to walk back some of most egregious woke shit as the landscape has shifted. They fully intended to have this game be a female character only experience and the backlash has caused them to pivot away from the character they demoed originally that was loathed.

Seriously, this game is likely just another feminised bucket of slop; co-opting the IP and puppeting it. Inhabiting the corpse of the original IP, pretending none of us won't notice it doesn't move the same, talk the same, walk the same or behave the same. Well this isn't Fable, just the devs picking some of the systems from the previous games and tossing out anything that might offend the new target demographic - a 'modern audience' aka modern leftists. Fuck this game and fuck Playground.

 

[Gamezone]

Looks good.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Dude the developer is situated in the UK the voice actors are actually British not an over exaggerated version of a British person in other games

I know, I live here

And they're not over exaggerated, it's just northern voices..

 

[Gambit2483]

There's definitely still some sass in the walking animation

It's called Switching (bc they are Switching their hips to each side) and that's generally how young women, with hips, walk to get attention...and yes, the MC is still switching dem hips

 

[sigmaZ]

Who the hell made this bitch? I'd fire that mother fucker in a heartbeat

That's probably a self-insert.

 

[GymWolf]

Finally watched the trailer, kinda of a mixed bag graphically but more good than bad.

Combat look like straight buttcheeks tho, and precanned death animations with no ragdoll in 2027? For real? Hopefully they are just a placeholder...

Hopefully the game doesnt turn into a city manager simulator with the occasional quest and combat scenario, i hope they balance both aspects and put the same effort on both because for now, i would only play this thing for the city fuckery, not for the actiony part.

 

[GymWolf]

Am i the only one noticing the similarity between girlie walk dude and beta peter from sp2?

Holy low testosterone...