FukuDaruma
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For some weird reason the guys that are complaining just keep posting the exact the same cherrypicked game captures and studio pictures of the actress from years ago but nobody ever posts pictures like this... 
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Why do western devs make female characters uglier in their games?
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Gonzito
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For some weird reason the guys that are complaining just keep posting the exact the same cherrypicked game captures and studio pictures of the actress from years ago but nobody ever posts pictures like this...
This is a terrible argument
Do you understand that you can find literally bad pictures of even the most beautiful people online? Its impossible to look right in every situation at all times, thats just not feasible man
The problem is, the actress in general looks gorgeous and they did not make a good job translating this into the videogame
DeltaPolarBear
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Markets self correct. You can keep throwing money at bad products if you want, that doesn't mean people would buy them. We have options, and money will flow to better options. I am not interested in cultural wars, I just put money where my mouth is. Crap don't sell and that is the end of it. Sad that old franchises had to suffer for it but I have made peace with that.
3lateral may have been bought by Epic recently but they're not UE5 models. 3lateral developed the tech and it has been used in Decima since Horizon Zero Dawn.
Bojji
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PS4 Naughty Dog games (and many others) supported SSS (you have this option in every other game now). This is PS5/PS5 Pro exclusive, what are we talking about?
Update your engine/change it to Decima/UE5 and don't serve us this crap. But I think engine is not the problem here
FukuDaruma
Member
This is a terrible argument
Do you understand that you can find literally bad pictures of even the most beautiful people online? Its impossible to look right in every situation at all times, thats just not feasible man
The problem is, the actress in general looks gorgeous and they did not make a good job translating this into the videogame
Again one of the same cherrypicked captures. What a surprise. lol
You are talking about profesional photographs with makeup, hairdos, under specific lighting, etc. And most even are from years ago, not how she looks currently. Much less how her *character* would look like as a scandinavian woman in her 40's without makeup.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I do like to bring up a counter example; Asmongold complained that an auntie character in a Chinese game he played was way too attractive, saying what was the point if it was an unromancable character who only had a minor role. I find it amusing that Western gamers really do have trouble with the idea of games that deliberately only let 10/10 characters exist. Like they somehow assumed beauty should be limited to specific roles.
Asia just don't play by that rule. This is why Skyrim is modded to hell and back in China to make elves look like goddesses. That is the expectation. Beauty should be maximized everywhere and not just for romancing purposes. For both genders.
Asia just don't play by that rule. This is why Skyrim is modded to hell and back in China to make elves look like goddesses. That is the expectation. Beauty should be maximized everywhere and not just for romancing purposes. For both genders.
Gonzito
Gold Member
My man is not cherrypicked. Its literally the first scene where you see the character face. The most important part lol
The lengths some people go here to defend this crap lol
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
If, according to the comments I'm reading here, the purpose of a video game is based on the attractiveness of the characters, both male and female, I'm seriously starting to doubt whether this is the right place for me.
What were you doing back in the SNES, Genesis, and PSX era?
There was no way to find anything attractive in those polygonally ugly characters.
But I thought we enjoyed games for their gameplay, their story, even their art design.
But I see people looking for something that eludes me, or at least my mind won't let me grasp it.
I can even understand people who are against agenda-setting and DEI policies, although most anti-DEI or woke users have played a ton of woke games.
But the idea of looking for attractive characters as the incentive to play I didn't expect that in the lore of this forum.
What were you doing back in the SNES, Genesis, and PSX era?
There was no way to find anything attractive in those polygonally ugly characters.
But I thought we enjoyed games for their gameplay, their story, even their art design.
But I see people looking for something that eludes me, or at least my mind won't let me grasp it.
I can even understand people who are against agenda-setting and DEI policies, although most anti-DEI or woke users have played a ton of woke games.
But the idea of looking for attractive characters as the incentive to play I didn't expect that in the lore of this forum.
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Gonzito
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My man talking to you its like talking to a wall. You dont want to understand our position even though many of us have tried to tell you over and over the point
We dont need everyone to be gorgeous in a videogame, I dont need that. But i do have an issue with gaming companies purposefully making characters look so much worse than their counterparts in real life.
We have many examples of great character models in games like Death Stranding, Resident Evil or Devil May Cry
Why on earth do western developers keep failing at this? With today's technology it should not happen but it keeps happening.
This is the problem we have. And obviously having inclusion in media is a good thing, but make it natural and organic and not forced.
I am a very reasonable person and I always try to understand the other part, but man some of you dont want to LISTEN
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Giallo Corsa
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If you're getting this triggered over it, judging by how often you post about this exact subject, then maybe this just isn't the right place for you (actually scratch that, it clearly isn't).
And as someone else already pointed out, people have spent the last 14 years being constantly told what to think, how to think, what's acceptable, what's offensive, what's sexist, what's racist, and what isn't. Endless lectures, endless moralizing.
The backlash to that was always inevitable. If one side got 14 straight years of cultural dominance, don't be surprised when the pendulum swings the other way for a while.
Make of that what you will.
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
Have you played this game?
I imagine you've heard of it.
It's called Control.
As you can see, you have that example you keep bringing up.
Are you really going to stop playing such a gem of a game because the character is ugly in the video game?
But what's more, how much do you think your brain is focused on the character's attractiveness when you start getting into the game?
I expect a serious answer if we're going to continue this debate.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Have you played this game?
I imagine you've heard of it.
It's called Control.
As you can see, you have that example you keep bringing up.
Are you really going to stop playing such a gem of a game because the character is ugly in the video game?
But what's more, how much do you think your brain is focused on the character's attractiveness when you start getting into the game?
I expect a serious answer if we're going to continue this debate.
I have almost a 100 hours, loved it to pieces.
The main character is well made and she looks exactly as the real life actress.
Its a bad example because this is well done and I have no objections as to how Remedy made her ingame
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You are seriously as crazy as i thought you are. You genuinely think you can change people's personal preferences through arguments. I am sorry, some of us actually have opinions. The serious answer is that some people want different things from you. And that most of us are not so weak willed as to be able to be bullied to buy and play games you ordered us to as if you somehow is some kind of lord.Have you played this game?
I imagine you've heard of it.
It's called Control.
As you can see, you have that example you keep bringing up.
Are you really going to stop playing such a gem of a game because the character is ugly in the video game?
But what's more, how much do you think your brain is focused on the character's attractiveness when you start getting into the game?
I expect a serious answer if we're going to continue this debate.
cormack12
Gold Member
For some weird reason the guys that are complaining just keep posting the exact the same cherrypicked game captures and studio pictures of the actress from years ago but nobody ever posts pictures like this...
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Yea same man, I platinumed Outlaws lol because it was a finish what I started thing but same here if I'm interested I'll always play it.. I'm sure it'll be a decent game overall.
Bojji
Member
Are you really going to stop playing a game because you don't find the woman or man attractive?
Considering that beauty is subjective and depends on who's looking:
This guy made countless women swoon. I never found him handsome or attractive.
Do you really think the average video game player is that obsessed with beauty?
I'd say a resounding no. Other things that attract players are more important.
This guy is the reason why Twilight trilogy is megahit among girls and women. My woman still finds time to watch it whenever it is on tv (and now I know this story as well, fuck...) and she was in love with both MC and that werewolf guy when she was in high school.
For some weird reason the guys that are complaining just keep posting the exact the same cherrypicked game captures and studio pictures of the actress from years ago but nobody ever posts pictures like this...
Do you think Ana De Armas is ugly
You can find bad pictures of every Hollywood star and super model. With Sony games it's usually like: "let's find the mostly ugly scan of actress and make it even more unappealing to avoid toxic male gaze!".
I don't get how actresses are agreeing to this shit, most women don't want to be presented in one of their worst versions (that's why they wear makeup on most occasions) but no... "she was always ugly" is the consensus among male feminists:
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Dude they can make her a bit prettier just stop, we're not talking bimbo or porn star just she could be done up to still look a little better they can absolutely do that
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
Not only is she not attractive in the game because she doesn't look like the model.
But I also see you put 100 hours into a game with DEI inclusion.
But you don't play those kinds of games...
"In an interview with OnlySP, Narrative Designer Brooke Maggs talked about how the studio handled Jesse. One thing she highlighted is that while Jesse is front and center, it was important to also have other women in the world of Control, with one mistake people making in (well-intended) representation is having a female or minority lead, but surrounded by men and non-minorities. It's an interesting look in how they chose to handle things.
"I love that Jesse is the active female protagonist but she's also not the only woman in the world," says Maggs. "I think sometimes we play games and we're like 'this is great, there's a main female character' and then the world around her is largely male; whereas Jesse has Emily Pope to talk to and Helen Marshall, we even met another character, [Dr.] Underhill in the research sector who is very much doing her own thing quite confidently. It's cool to see there's more than one woman in the Bureau. Also, the Oldest House and the Bureau of Control, we've made quite clear, have largely been operated by men for a very long time."
In short, your dislike for ugly, DEI, and woke characters translates more into a dislike for the Sony PlayStation brand than for the games themselves.
That makes more sense.
Gonzito
Gold Member
I want to mention an example of a game that makes it very well
One of my favorite games of all time is Deus Ex Mankind Divided. I would give my entire bank account to get a sequel of that game if I had to, that's how much I love this game.
And in Mankind Divided, Miller, the Taskforce 29 Boss is Gay. At first you dont know this and you dont even think about it because the story is focused on the terrorists events that are happening in Prague but at one point in the story you have to hack your way into his apartment and you can read his emails and find out that he is talking to his husband and they have pictures together
This is genius and this is how you smartly include LGBT+ stuff in videogames. Its subtle and you only find out if you investigate the enviroments and the game's systems. Nobody is coming and telling you, hey did you know Miller is gay? You have to find out yourself and you can't guess it by the character's behavior
That's how I expect games to tell you the story of a character, without forcing me into politics and ideologies
One of my favorite games of all time is Deus Ex Mankind Divided. I would give my entire bank account to get a sequel of that game if I had to, that's how much I love this game.
And in Mankind Divided, Miller, the Taskforce 29 Boss is Gay. At first you dont know this and you dont even think about it because the story is focused on the terrorists events that are happening in Prague but at one point in the story you have to hack your way into his apartment and you can read his emails and find out that he is talking to his husband and they have pictures together
This is genius and this is how you smartly include LGBT+ stuff in videogames. Its subtle and you only find out if you investigate the enviroments and the game's systems. Nobody is coming and telling you, hey did you know Miller is gay? You have to find out yourself and you can't guess it by the character's behavior
That's how I expect games to tell you the story of a character, without forcing me into politics and ideologies
Gonzito
Gold Member
Not only is she not attractive in the game because she doesn't look like the model.
But I also see you put 100 hours into a game with DEI inclusion.
But you don't play those kinds of games...
"In an interview with OnlySP, Narrative Designer Brooke Maggs talked about how the studio handled Jesse. One thing she highlighted is that while Jesse is front and center, it was important to also have other women in the world of Control, with one mistake people making in (well-intended) representation is having a female or minority lead, but surrounded by men and non-minorities. It's an interesting look in how they chose to handle things.
"I love that Jesse is the active female protagonist but she's also not the only woman in the world," says Maggs. "I think sometimes we play games and we're like 'this is great, there's a main female character' and then the world around her is largely male; whereas Jesse has Emily Pope to talk to and Helen Marshall, we even met another character, [Dr.] Underhill in the research sector who is very much doing her own thing quite confidently. It's cool to see there's more than one woman in the Bureau. Also, the Oldest House and the Bureau of Control, we've made quite clear, have largely been operated by men for a very long time."
In short, your dislike for ugly, DEI, and woke characters translates more into a dislike for the Sony PlayStation brand than for the games themselves.
That makes more sense.
My man, Control came out almost 10 years ago. The woke issue still wasn't developed enough back then. Things were not as bad as they are today.
I can tell by your actions that you're acting in bad faith, as if you're trying to catch me contradicting myself.
This is the problem with you guys: you never want to talk and find common ground. You only want things to go your way.
That's why we'll continue laughing at you, because you don't want to change your ways.
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
You keep starting threads about how woke you think the industry is, but you're playing games that align with the "agenda" and you think they're wonderful.
I can just imagine you after playing Control for 100 hours, knowing you're another supporter of the agenda, like this:
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
My man
Prodyhig
is doing the usual gaslighting routine and going in circles over and over and over and over again. He's perpetually offended, constantly stonewalling, playing coy and generally trying to find endless little "gotchas."
Gonzito said it best when he said it's like talking to a wall.
It's the exact same thing
Toons
used to do every time a thread like this popped up, especially in the Nolan's Odyssey one and we all know how that ended...
At this point, I'm inclined to believe these people are only here to stir up a shitstorm and eventually perform account suicide. I honestly can't see any other reasoning behind it.
Prody, you yourself said that this isn't the right place for you so please, do us all a favor, either way, there's only one way this is gonna end and you know which one that is
Prodyhig
is doing the usual gaslighting routine and going in circles over and over and over and over again. He's perpetually offended, constantly stonewalling, playing coy and generally trying to find endless little "gotchas."Gonzito said it best when he said it's like talking to a wall.
It's the exact same thing
Toons
used to do every time a thread like this popped up, especially in the Nolan's Odyssey one and we all know how that ended...At this point, I'm inclined to believe these people are only here to stir up a shitstorm and eventually perform account suicide. I honestly can't see any other reasoning behind it.
Prody, you yourself said that this isn't the right place for you so please, do us all a favor, either way, there's only one way this is gonna end and you know which one that is
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kpopSuperstar
Gold Member
That's not entirely true, pop culture is built around selling things to people based on zeitgeists and marketing. You have stuff like Justin Bieber, and Marvel movies, and microtransactions, things that sell based on whats in at the moment.
Toots
Member
Are you trying to use the "im a woman" card so the incel chuds populating the forum give you a break ?
This guy made countless women swoon. I never found him handsome or attractive.
That is actually very mean towards Courtney HopeHave you played this game?
Are you really going to stop playing such a gem of a game because the character is ugly in the video game?
You are a cunt aren't you
Anyway for someone crying about too much politics on a vg forum, it is wild how much you politicize every thread you are taking part in.
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
I'm not offended at all; I enjoy the debate.My man
Gonzito said it best when he said it's like talking to a wall.
It's the exact same thing
At this point, I'm inclined to believe these people are only here to stir up a shitstorm and eventually perform account suicide. I honestly can't see any other reasoning behind it.
Prody, you yourself said that this isn't the right place for you so please, do us all a favor, either way, there's only one way this is gonna end and you know which one that is
But I thought I was dealing with reasonable people.
If you don't want an agenda/dei or ugly characters, don't play them, but don't make me think that's the reason when deep down you're simply an Xbox/PC fanatic pretending to be a savior of DEI/woke policies when you're sick of having played games with an agenda.
More consistency and less hypocrisy.
Gonzito
Gold Member
God I can't stand you any longer. I feel like I am talking to a child.
You win, are you happy?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
The mind of the console warrior sure is a mistery to me. No matter the topic, no matter what they always think it's about brands and will do anything it takes to defend "theirs".
Gonzito
Gold Member
Yes fanatism is a disease. It blinds people and no matter how much you try to talk to them, they will never listen to reason. Its like people on a cult, they are brainwashed and its really hard to pull them out of there
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
It's suspicious when the entire agenda revolves around Sony games.
I haven't found a single thread about BG3 discussing how "woke" it is.
If you find one, please show it.
But every time a Sony PlayStation game is released, the "woke" thread automatically pops up.
I don't believe in coincidences, but this is a very curious one.
Then I see that these are staunch warriors who oppose everything DEI/woke, and I think they're principled people, but it turns out they play games with an agenda... just the same.
Don't you sense a bit of hypocrisy in the air?
Gonzito
Gold Member
Where were you when we were talking here about Dustborn, Veilguard and the Fable reboot? Lol
You are saying there is no DEI conspiracy theory but you are saying there is a Sony conspiracy lol
You make no sense man
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FukuDaruma
Member
I don't get how actresses are agreeing to this shit, most women don't want to be presented in one of their worst versions (that's why they wear makeup on most occasions) but no... "she was always ugly" is the consensus among male feminists:
Again: You are talking about profesional photographs and productions with makeup, hairdos, under specific lighting, etc. And most even are from years ago, not how she looks currently. Much less how her *character* would look like as a scandinavian woman in her 40's without makeup.
The character model is not the most realistic compared to other videogames, but neither is Kratos, who has a much weirder face and doesn't look like any of his actors. But that's ok because you don't feel the need to fantasize about fucking him.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
No it doesn't. You are pretty new here so you probably missed how everyone laughed at SW: Outlaws back then, plus there have been lots more examples like the ones Gonzito mentioned up above.
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
Show me the threads you've personally started about Fable Velinguard and Dustborn.
I'll be waiting.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Control imo didn't fall into that category, at least not imo
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
All I know is that very few people with a functional sex life cares about this 
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Gonzito
Gold Member
All I know is that very few people with functional sex lives care about this
You are here with us so we must assume you sex live status is not great either
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
You have the narrative director with her pronouns and you have her statements.
And that doesn't detract from the fact that it's a fabulous game.
At no point was I concerned about seeing a game full of women; I focused on the gameplay, its graphics, sound, etc., which are all fabulous.
That's why I find it hard to believe that there are people who are playing a game for 100 hours thinking they're playing with a character they find unattractive.
Because I still see Freya as "pretty" in the video game, considering the character's context.
violence
Member
Kind of an otherworldly glowy eyed vampire look would be cooler to play as.
Bojji
Member
Again: You are talking about profesional photographs and productions with makeup, hairdos, under specific lighting, etc. And most even are from years ago, not how she looks currently. Much less how her *character* would look like as a scandinavian woman in her 40's without makeup.
The character model is not the most realistic compared to other videogames, but neither is Kratos, who has a much weirder face and doesn't look like any of his actors. But that's ok because you don't feel the need to fantasize about fucking him.
This is her from this year:
She is not playing average Scandinavian woman in this game, she is a Giant (and probably a god) than can cast magic, lives few hundred years (at least) and has power level similar to Thor. She doesn't have to look as raw and grounded as Elly in the last of us 2 (game that actually tries to be realistic).
When even a leftist like
davidjaffe
sees through this bullshit, you know that something is very wrong with modern Sony.And Freya wearing makeup in the same world?!
Sif?
Both of them represent females 40+
I think engine is not the problem here...
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Critical Hit
Member
Sony needs to put an end to this once and for all, and settle all these disputes with a simple solution - by making all women wear the burqa.
Prodyhig
Woke Content Consultant (DEI-Hire)
I get the feeling you haven't seen many movies.
It depends on what the director wants to convey with that actor, don't you think?
Do you find Leonardo DiCaprio very attractive?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
China, Korea, and most Japanese devs have zero issue making attractive characters without developer plastic surgery.
NickFire
Member
Both.
recursive
Member
Not only is she not attractive in the game because she doesn't look like the model.
But I also see you put 100 hours into a game with DEI inclusion.
But you don't play those kinds of games...
"In an interview with OnlySP, Narrative Designer Brooke Maggs talked about how the studio handled Jesse. One thing she highlighted is that while Jesse is front and center, it was important to also have other women in the world of Control, with one mistake people making in (well-intended) representation is having a female or minority lead, but surrounded by men and non-minorities. It's an interesting look in how they chose to handle things.
"I love that Jesse is the active female protagonist but she's also not the only woman in the world," says Maggs. "I think sometimes we play games and we're like 'this is great, there's a main female character' and then the world around her is largely male; whereas Jesse has Emily Pope to talk to and Helen Marshall, we even met another character, [Dr.] Underhill in the research sector who is very much doing her own thing quite confidently. It's cool to see there's more than one woman in the Bureau. Also, the Oldest House and the Bureau of Control, we've made quite clear, have largely been operated by men for a very long time."
In short, your dislike for ugly, DEI, and woke characters translates more into a dislike for the Sony PlayStation brand than for the games themselves.
That makes more sense.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Going back to this, they act like every man looks at women like this...
When in reality, it's always the uggos that talk about "the male gaze."
They're just big mad they don't get any gaze at all.
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proandrad
Member
Is the game being discussed similar in tone to that movie or closer to a marvel one?I get the feeling you haven't seen many movies.
It depends on what the director wants to convey with that actor, don't you think?
Do you find Leonardo DiCaprio very attractive?
midnightAI
Member
I'm just saying there is a huge difference between in game rendering and an AI generated/photo/CGI character
In fact, I bet if you ray/path traced those scenes with RT lighting/GI with Faye the character would look prettier (you even get better characters being rendered out in photo modes many times as they don't care about framerate and can cut out the animation etc)
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Ah got ya, my bad probably read that wrong
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