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Current Gaming Rift... Is It GAFs Fault?

archangelmorph

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Ok hear me out...

NeoGAF of today sometimes reflects the nature of a scarred, reeling petulant child, constantly lashing out in "anti-woke" outbursts at even the slightest hint of something that looks like it might try to tread into a DEI-smelling line.

In some ways GAF can be a bit of an anti-woke echo-chamber. But with all it's cesspit tendencies at least the "mostly anything goes" flavour of moderation seems to give it some base semblance of (dysfunctional) balance.

It's nemesis however... The big Purple board. Seems to have gone the other way. Almost exclusively a "woke" echo-chamber, which in many ways is really sad.

GAF & Era are though in essence, two parts of a whole.

The UrRu and Skeksis of a real-world pantheon of a gaming theology (I'm loathe to ascribe which I think is which..) - once joined, who via almost the exact same narrative as in Jim Henson's lore; tried to purge itself of it's darker embodiments back in 2017, fucked it all up and ended up separating out into two very separate, very polarised communities.

The separation created no clear space for a moderate middle to really find it's home, and thus the self-reinforcing nature of these divergent communities, carrying bitter memories of their dividing strife, echo'ed more and more deeply into their respective community focuses; away from games at the core and deeper and deeper into identity politics.

They hate each other, and they hate anything the other doesn't; whilst consequently reinforcing affinity for the things the other hates, almost purely on the basis that they do.

So here's the meat of my hypothesis...

NeoGAF had always been a deeply influential community of both gamer and creator alike. It was not exactly clear just how much of the industry historically lurked the halls of this forum but I'd wager the penetration there pre-2017 was significant.

Post NeoGAF's "Great Conjunction", I'd wager a large part of the creator community moved away from GAF and Era thus received the majority.

What if they're still there...?
What if they have been all this time...?

What if the daily influence of these individuals being largely saturated in a Purple world-view (of gamers, of devs, of the market, of the industry at large), via a Purple echo chamber forum, has been a strongly correlating (perhaps even causing) factor in the steer many of today's studios have had in pushing woke themes, ideas, concepts and agendas in their games?

The "toxic positivity" we hear pervasive in the dev culture at studios like that of Concord or Highguard, correlates well with the same type of "toxic positivity" that underlies the moderation & participation culture of Era. What if there's a direct or indirect causal link there...?

If this hypothesis is true, then the current state of gaming might as well be potentially be the "culpa" (either in part or in full) of this very board and it's history.

Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

In short, we need to find the proverbial last Gelfing, to take upon them the epic quest to carry the missing shard back to the crystal castle, to return it to it's whole at the next Great Conjunction, to return both communities to their rightful (UrSkek) union and return the true balance to the gaming industry and ecosystem as we know it.

It's our only hope people!
 
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Tis the weekend indeed!

I'm going to answer seriously because you seem to have put thought into this.

NeoGAFand ResetEra are tiny compared to the rest of the internet(obviously). They're also not special. The opinions and thoughts shared on those two forums are not unique to them. They're shared by a lot of people, most of whom have probably never even heard of these two forums.

So the rift is not GAF or Era's fault. We just live in a time where people are more comfortable sharing their opinions strongly. And turns out, a lot of them are too stubborn to do so with civility, so it just devolves into arguments.
 
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Gaf, you can be woke and still live and survive here
Era, you can't be anti woke and still be alive, you will be cut down and deleted. Yep you right, there's a difference for sure.
 
Ok hear me out...

NeoGAF of today sometimes reflects the nature of a scarred, reeling petulant child, constantly lashing out in "anti-woke" outbursts at even the slightest hint of something that looks like it might try to tread into a DEI-smelling line.

In some ways GAF can be a bit of an anti-woke echo-chamber. But with all it's cesspit tendencies at least the "mostly anything goes" flavour of moderation seems to give it some base semblance of (dysfunctional) balance.

It's nemesis however... The big Purple board. Seems to have gone the other way. Almost exclusively a "woke" echo-chamber, which in many ways is really sad.

GAF & Era are though in essence, two parts of a whole.

The UrRu and Skeksis of a real-world pantheon of a gaming theology (I'm loathe to ascribe which I think is which..) - once joined, who via almost the exact same narrative as in Jim Henson's lore; tried to purge itself of it's darker embodiments back in 2017, fucked it all up and ended up separating out into two very separate, very polarised communities.

The separation created no clear space for a moderate middle to really find it's home, and thus the self-reinforcing nature of these divergent communities, carrying bitter memories of their dividing strife, echo'ed more and more deeply into their respective community focuses; away from games at the core and deeper and deeper into identity politics.

They hate each other, and they hate anything the other doesn't; whilst consequently reinforcing affinity for the things the other hates, almost purely on the basis that they do.

So here's the meat of my hypothesis...

NeoGAF had always been a deeply influential community of both gamer and creator alike. It was not exactly clear just how much of the industry historically lurked the halls of this forum but I'd wager the penetration there pre-2017 was significant.

Post NeoGAF's "Great Conjunction", I'd wager a large part of the creator community moved away from GAF and Era thus received the majority.

What if they're still there...?
What if they have been all this time...?

What if the daily influence of these individuals being largely saturated in a Purple world-view (of gamers, of devs, of the market, of the industry at large), via a Purple echo chamber forum, has been a strongly correlating (perhaps even causing) factor in the steer many of today's studios have had in pushing woke themes, ideas, concepts and agendas in their games?

The "toxic positivity" we hear pervasive in the dev culture at studios like that of Concord or Highguard, correlates well with the same type of "toxic positivity" that underlies the moderation & participation culture of Era. What if there's a direct or indirect causal link there...?

If this hypothesis is true, then the current state of gaming might as well be potentially be the "culpa" (either in part or in full) of this very board and it's history.

Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

In short, we need to find the proverbial last Gelfing, to take upon them the epic quest to carry the missing shard back to the crystal castle, to return it to it's whole at the next Great Conjunction, to return both communities to their rightful (UrSkek) union and return the true balance to the gaming industry and ecosystem as we know it.

It's our only hope people!

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So tired of seeing these same song and dance, down to the same sentence structure threads and statements about this place. Probably AI since people especially (35 and below) can't write for shit or themselves whatsoever.

If you don't like it here and are tired of the way it is, then just leave dude. We don't need to read a fucking a diatribe and a "plan of action" from some narcissistic rando.

Fuck off to another forum if you can't handle community opinions (that not everyone shares mind you).

Goddamn. It's posters like you that put stains on this place. Wasting front page space worse than Ibiza.

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The UrRu and Skeksis of a real-world pantheon of a gaming theology (I'm loathe to ascribe which I think is which..) - once joined, who via almost the exact same narrative as in Jim Henson's lore; tried to purge itself of it's darker embodiments back in 2017, fucked it all up and ended up separating out into two very separate, very polarised communities...

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GAF & Era are though in essence, two parts of a whole.
?? We have all type of opinions here. Woke or anti-woke or whatever you want to be if you follow the forum rules. Now I dare you to go to the purple site and disagree regarding a woke matter.
 
Goddamn. It's posters like you that put stains on this place. Wasting front page space worse than Ibiza.
Lmao. You know for a forum about videogames I believe having only one board dedicated to that isn't a good idea. Tons of threads about news, business or other stuff end burying the actual videogame discussion. For example that game Alabaster Dawn just came out and the thread is already at page 2.

Wish we could have 3 boards instead: games, business and news. That would allow us to keep conversations going on many more topics at once.
 
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The real rift happened when stories turned into lectures, female characters became ugly on purpose and every big studio treated their audience like bigots for wanting fun over propaganda
 
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OK, hear me out GAF, I'm gonna take a little vacation at this point.

This place has become crazy town again.
 
#MeToo + Gamer Gate + LGBTQ + BLM + #OscarSoWhite + George Floyd = current DEI/Woke iteration
Games media decline/legacy gaming personalities (like colin) > Gamer Gate > narrative from games media making "gamers" the enemy > Rise of the influencers (YouTubers/let´s Play) then streamers and commentators> Games media loses relevance, prestige, and authority > Studios chasing the modern audience in cohorts with gaming media and consultancy companies > Now....🤷‍♂️
 
Another weirdo that completely missed the mark and think it's some kind of two side of the same coin shit when it isn't, far from it.

While echo chambers aren't ideal but even a pure "anti woke" would never ever be as bad as a pure woke because woke stuff is something that is completely wrong and abominable in the first place. Even a extreme anti woke place at most would be assholes or big mean folks while the opposite is completely twisted upside down, insane, and things that should not even happen in the first place.

And you say you want something that can join both "anti woke" and woke together, well you already have that here in Neogaf RIGHT NOW. As you can still see plenty of folks here that have some twisted woke like views and can still be allowed here. Neogaf at the moment IS INDEED a place for both as long as you don't go full hostile or crash out etc and that goes for both sides here anyway.

On resetera forget about defending a non hive mind view but you'll be very lucky if you aren't straight up banned the moment people find out you don't agree with the insane hivemind and their hivemind is completely evil, insane, and wrong in the first place which makes all the woke resetera retards way more worse.

Another person that says this place and that insane fucked place like resetera are two sides of the same coins etc shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
Fuck.. at least last week the dude went all in in his rent against "anti woke" gaf...

This is just mashing words ... I give 0/10 .. next time go for the jugular at least this fake neutral bullshit would be entertaining

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What you're seeing is an equal reaction to the intense campaign of social justice that permeated gaming throughout the 2010s and early 2020s. It's not just gaming, either. It'll simmer down eventually. But if you want to point fingers, find someone who is acting like the victim in this new landscape and remind them that they're responsible. The ones who tried to distort masculinity and femininity, went on a racist crusade under a guise of virtue, and tried to forcefully silence anyone who disagreed.
 
You're not wrong. The world is becoming more and more polarised in general. I blame the rise of algorithms and misinformation for that. instead of people choosing to actually experience things and make their own judgments they're constantly just fed grifter opinions online who feed off their ever increasing radicalisation. Simply because they need content that isn't the content itself.
 
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I reject the "both sides" framing.

I think I'm a pretty reasonable centrist - both politically and socially. I don't care for, but also don't care enough about the extremes of either side to complain about them.

That said, I got perma banned from ERA back when the Jessie Smollet hoax was blowing up because I questioned the mod's decision to ban a bunch of people who dared to question the story. Having been on GAF for a while, this place does not have the thought control police like they do. They are much, much worse.

If you don't like what people here have to say, you can just ignore them. But at least people are allowed to say what they think here.
 
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Lmao. You know for a forum about videogames I believe having only one board dedicated to that isn't a good idea. Tons of threads about news, business or other stuff end burying the actual videogame discussion. For example that game Alabaster Dawn just came out and the thread is already at page 2.

Wish we could have 3 boards instead: games, business and news. That would allow us to keep conversations going on many more topics at once.
Is that from the crosscode devs? What are the opinions on the EA so far?
 
Ok hear me out...

NeoGAF of today sometimes reflects the nature of a scarred, reeling petulant child, constantly lashing out in "anti-woke" outbursts at even the slightest hint of something that looks like it might try to tread into a DEI-smelling line.

In some ways GAF can be a bit of an anti-woke echo-chamber. But with all it's cesspit tendencies at least the "mostly anything goes" flavour of moderation seems to give it some base semblance of (dysfunctional) balance.

It's nemesis however... The big Purple board. Seems to have gone the other way. Almost exclusively a "woke" echo-chamber, which in many ways is really sad.

GAF & Era are though in essence, two parts of a whole.

The UrRu and Skeksis of a real-world pantheon of a gaming theology (I'm loathe to ascribe which I think is which..) - once joined, who via almost the exact same narrative as in Jim Henson's lore; tried to purge itself of it's darker embodiments back in 2017, fucked it all up and ended up separating out into two very separate, very polarised communities.

The separation created no clear space for a moderate middle to really find it's home, and thus the self-reinforcing nature of these divergent communities, carrying bitter memories of their dividing strife, echo'ed more and more deeply into their respective community focuses; away from games at the core and deeper and deeper into identity politics.

They hate each other, and they hate anything the other doesn't; whilst consequently reinforcing affinity for the things the other hates, almost purely on the basis that they do.

So here's the meat of my hypothesis...

NeoGAF had always been a deeply influential community of both gamer and creator alike. It was not exactly clear just how much of the industry historically lurked the halls of this forum but I'd wager the penetration there pre-2017 was significant.

Post NeoGAF's "Great Conjunction", I'd wager a large part of the creator community moved away from GAF and Era thus received the majority.

What if they're still there...?
What if they have been all this time...?

What if the daily influence of these individuals being largely saturated in a Purple world-view (of gamers, of devs, of the market, of the industry at large), via a Purple echo chamber forum, has been a strongly correlating (perhaps even causing) factor in the steer many of today's studios have had in pushing woke themes, ideas, concepts and agendas in their games?

The "toxic positivity" we hear pervasive in the dev culture at studios like that of Concord or Highguard, correlates well with the same type of "toxic positivity" that underlies the moderation & participation culture of Era. What if there's a direct or indirect causal link there...?

If this hypothesis is true, then the current state of gaming might as well be potentially be the "culpa" (either in part or in full) of this very board and it's history.

Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

In short, we need to find the proverbial last Gelfing, to take upon them the epic quest to carry the missing shard back to the crystal castle, to return it to it's whole at the next Great Conjunction, to return both communities to their rightful (UrSkek) union and return the true balance to the gaming industry and ecosystem as we know it.

It's our only hope people!
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Is that from the crosscode devs? What are the opinions on the EA so far?
Yeah! Based on what I've read here it's what you'd expect: great combat and nice puzzles that make you think. Some seem to say the pacing is better, while others claim the story is so-so.
 
Yeah! Based on what I've read here it's what you'd expect: great combat and nice puzzles that make you think. Some seem to say the pacing is better, while others claim the story is so-so.
Sounds good enough for me. Not going to make much judgements on story for an EA game, especially considering Crosscode's was also structured to only pick up pace on the second half of the game.
 
We may have jumped the shark a little bit when people are hating on a 'woke' game they haven't played and doesn't contain woke elements because it 'kinda looks woke'.
 
Sounds good enough for me. Not going to make much judgements on story for an EA game, especially considering Crosscode's was also structured to only pick up pace on the second half of the game.
Yep same here. I'll grab it for sure but once it's out of EA, got enough stuff to play as is.
 
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