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[Dorfdad]

The interesting part is that they will look at different business models and products to handle the situation.
Which imo confirms what was evident.
The traditional business model isn't sustainable.
They need multiple products catering to different audiences targeting different prices since the beginning and reason in terms of ecosystem.

There is simply NO scenario where delaying a high end PS6 by a year will result in a 399-499$ price and possibly a specs bump.
That's pure delusion, there is no end in sight for the current situation, things could get worse depending on wars...

HELLO STREAMING CLIENTS!!!!

I can see them releasing two tier pricing structure to recoup costs of system s they wont sell. 14.99 1080p/60 and 24.99 1440/2160p/120 a month honestly. People will bitch but if they can and they have show already with PS5 streaming on portal and PS5 consoles that they can deliver quality and good latency they will open their exclusives up to a much bigger audience without people having to buy equipment

Unpopular opinion on here, but this is where we're headed. $1000 consoles or $300 a year for streaming anywhere.

 

[Bojji]

As opposed to having 2025 tech in 2027?

That's how consoles work.

RDNA5 will launch in 2027/2028

So tech in 2027 will be brand new, in 2029 or 2030 - it will be outdated. Not to mention, PS6 Pro design will be 50% done by then.

 

[nial]

nial on suicide watch....2027 release prediction in tatters....

PS6 launch date is serious fucking business.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Not sure why anyone believed any "insider" on this topic,, how in the world would they know?

 

[ComputerBlue]

Well it's not like they're going to announce it randomly like this and say next year. I personally hope it's still a few years away but this doesn't mean anything.

 

[Bojji]

Not sure why anyone believed any "insider" on this topic,, how in the world would they know?

How they know anything?

Remember MLID leak about PS5 Pro? It was 90% correct.

 

[IntentionalPun]

How they know anything?

Remember MLID leak about PS5 Pro? It was 90% correct.

Something like the release timing of a console isn't something set in stone almost 2 years out even during normal times, let alone during a component shortage/price crisis.

I find it really odd that anyone is claiming to know this, or the BOM of any of these future devices either.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Canis TV box is the only thing next gen that can achieve a $399 price point.

Sony could do a true Series S-like die without having to resort to using Canis. They would have to commit to it yesterday if it was to be released in 2028 tho.

 

[Mayar]

Remember MLID leak about PS5 Pro? It was 90% correct.

You can't write things like that on Neogaf. It usually provokes reactions like:

10% that he is wrong

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Probably 2028 or later

 

[Bojji]

Something like the release timing of a console isn't something set in stone almost 2 years out even during normal times, let alone during a component shortage/price crisis.

I find it really odd that anyone is claiming to know this, or the BOM of any of these future devices either.

BOM can be calculated for NOW of course, but not for release window.

But if R&D was going according to plans, consoles have set in stone release dates (PS3 was planned for 2005 originally but Cell, GPU and BD problems fucked them up). They order components and manufacturing based on that. TSMC probably already have contracts with Sony/AMD to make this APU in mass.

K KeplerL2 was already talking about how much in advance you have to secure manufacturing (but I don't remember what he said)...

You can't write things like that on Neogaf. It usually provokes reactions like:

10% that he is wrong

He was only wrong about TF number, 33TF number is not correct because console is not based on RDNA3. But 16.5TF RDNA2 = 33TF RDNA3 so it's really not important detail.

 

[MayauMiao]

Well, apparently the "insiders" and specialists of this forum don't know fucking nothing.

Insiders can't predict the outcome like with the energy crisis due to war and memory crisis.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They'll probably wait till 2028. Zero urgency regarding fighting whatever Xbox makes.

All comes down to whether it's worth doing fall 2027 or later. Chips costs might be higher, or might be lower. Who knows.

It's like stocks. You got a plan you want to buy. Do you buy and just do the long term game? Or do you try to time the market buying it hoping to get it in at the bottom? Some people do one, some people do the other.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I've mentioned this before, but Sony is clearly having trouble getting GDDR6. Not releasing the PS6 means Sony could get stuck with no PS5s and no PS6s.

 

[Bitstream]

Geometric Crashout progressively making less and less coherent arguments as the thread goes on. Someone needs to check his vitals, brain seems to be running out of O2.

 

[IntentionalPun]

BOM can be calculated for NOW of course, but not for release window.

But if R&D was going according to plans, consoles have set in stone release dates (PS3 was planned for 2005 originally but both Cell and BD problems fucked them up). They order components and manufacturing based on that. TSMC probably already have contracts with Sony/AMD to make this APU in mass.

K KeplerL2 was already talking about how much in advance you have to secure manufacturing (but I don't remember what he said)...

But they can spend many months building up inventory before a release, so a contract to begin manufacturing still doesn't set in stone the actual release date of a console. Particularly if there are part shortages.

Leakers attempting to infer things from the info they have is not "knowledge" of a release timing, it's just guesswork.

 

[Bojji]

But they can spend many months building up inventory before a release, so a contract to begin manufacturing still doesn't set in stone the actual release date of a console. Particularly if there are part shortages.

Yes, in theory. But this could fuck up future contracts with TSMC, consoles are produced constantly over ~10 years.

 

[Hero_Select]

RDNA5 will launch in 2027/2028

So tech in 2027 will be brand new, in 2029 or 2030 - it will be outdated. Not to mention, PS6 Pro design will be 50% done by then.

People are too invested in how games look when they already look fucking amazing

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes, in theory. But this could fuck up future contracts with TSMC, consoles are produced constantly over ~10 years.

Why would it fuck up future contracts with TSMC? I'm' not talking about delaying any manufacturing, I'm suggesting the start of manufacturing doesn't directly coincide with release. They stock up many millions of units before releasing, that wouldn't affect their relationship with TSMC to delay the actual launch.

 

[Haint]

Memory downgrade to 20-24GB is more likely than anything TBH. To reiterate for the dozenth time, PS5 Pro has sold less than 3 million units to date, 95% of which was at launch and $700. Hulst and crew have shit their pants so many times at the prospect of an $800 - $1000+ PS6 they have them on a daily subscribe and save subscription.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

As opposed to having 2025 tech in 2027?

That's how consoles work.

we get same tech regardless premiere is 2027 or 2029, too late for big changes

 

[jm89]

Memory downgrade to 20-24GB is more likely than anything TBH.

I hope not. They shouldn't compromise on there initial vision, this things gotta last a whole gen. Better to price it higher.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Sony could do a true Series S-like die without having to resort to using Canis. They would have to commit to it yesterday if it was to be released in 2028 tho.

They could have but they didn't. So Canis is the only option.

 

[Bojji]

Why would it fuck up future contracts with TSMC? I'm' not talking about delaying any manufacturing, I'm suggesting the start of manufacturing doesn't directly coincide with release. They stock up many millions of units before releasing, that wouldn't affect their relationship with TSMC to delay the actual launch.

In 2028 they could end up with 20M APUs and fab capacity to only make 10M full consoles.

They would have to reduce or cut future orders from TSMC.

People are too invested in how games look when they already look fucking amazing

Still a long way to go for in game graphics

 

[Panajev2001a]

Well, apparently the "insiders" and specialists of this forum don't know fucking nothing.

New business models? F Fafalada you were right, memory sold separately .

 

[PeteBull]

By holidays 2027 base ps5 will be outdated af, and losing competition badly vs new nvidia and amd gpu families (even their low tier/entry models)so sony gonna do their best to launch ps6 asap, likely still in 2027 as planned, if they cant then delay not gonna be long, at most holidays 2028, price wise it will be nasty ofc, after all mashine gonna be brand new tech cpu, gpu and obviously ssd/memory will be better/much more expensive from pr0 too.

TLDR: Even if we get delay it will be at most by a year to holidays 2028 but either way console gonna be pricey as all fuck(999$).

Oh and official statements from sony are for obvious reason- to make customers buy ps5/pr0 and not wait for quickly incoming ps6 that is much more powerful and has tons more value, ps5 gen was best sony gen to skip, u get backwards compatibility with some turbo mode on ps6 anyways and access to all ps5 games xD

 

[Don Carlo]

The real problem might be simple: console makers can't rely on the old "sell hardware cheap, profit later" strategy as easily anymore because component costs are staying high much longer.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

PS5 Pro hasn't even been out two years, I can't see a PS6 launching until around November 2028 at the earliest. With components being so expensive I could see that pushing things back further than that.

Not a problem in my opinion, there's already so much to play on the current line up of hardware.

 

[nightfly]

How far along do you think they are on the PS6? Think they've finalized the hardware?

 

[WellSheet]

Well, apparently the "insiders" and specialists of this forum don't know fucking nothing.

 

[Ashamam]

Fair to say this is not exactly a huge surprise.

I'd suggest the project had a target window, and still does, but they can't make final decisions until they hit milestones or key decision points given the volatility in the market. Basically I believe its a nominal 2027 Holidays target.... until the schedule forces a go/no go type decision, then it might be delayed. But that will likely only happen early next year.

Given the fiduciary responsibilities involved, a simple 'we haven't decided' gives them the most flexibility.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Sony should be more like Nintendo. Don't be scared of 26% or whatever Helix has. Releasing GTA6 and expecting everyone to just jump ship to PS6 seems like a very stupid move. Especially when the PS6 could be close to a grand. They'd have to have a multi tier support system for multiple consoles. That and support avenues for broken consoles. They'd probably go bankrupt if they released it too soon. Nintendo would need a big time Zelda and Mario game on their minimum spec console (or so we believe) and they'd nail the same Switch numbers.

What's becoming worrisome about consoles is that the refresh is becoming less and less appealing. The idea of a "any" box where you get years and years out of your device is a lot more appealing. The PC is basically that device.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Fair to say this is not exactly a huge surprise.

I'd suggest the project had a target window, and still does, but they can't make final decisions until they hit milestones or key decision points given the volatility in the market. Basically I believe its a nominal 2027 Holidays target.... until the schedule forces a go/no go type decision, then it might be delayed. But that will likely only happen early next year.

Given the fiduciary responsibilities involved, a simple 'we haven't decided' gives them the most flexibility.

They have to commit very soon to finalize the contracts, if not already by now.

Releasing GTA6 and expecting everyone to just jump ship to PS6 seems like a very stupid move. Especially when the PS6 could be close to a grand.

Which is why they need a cheaper device. Apparently that was intended to be the PS5. Whether that's still possible remains to be seen.

But the PS6 is going to be needed since they didn't upgrade the CPU on the Pro.

 

[viveks86]

Still a long way to go for in game graphics

That was a GOAT trailer if there ever was one.

Now that I better understand realtime path tracing, I'm looking at all the leaves that never budge even by 1 pixel the entire trailer and can confidently say "Smart choice. I get why you did that". This was well before mega geometry!

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

The 46% drop just decided for you. Also, I wonder what happens with the GTA boost when a new console is less than a year away.

 

[simpatico]

2028 at the absolute earliest. There is no upside to launching next year. Nothing on Helix will embarrass Playstation from a graphics perspective. Don't shock your customer base by asking them to buy a whole new console just to play games that look exactly like PS5 games to 90% of gamers. It's gonna make people start looking for alternatives. They've got a bit of a golden goose right now, and I think less is more when it comes to drastic change from the PS4 formula.

Gaffers won't like this, but Sony's absolute ace in the hole and IMO only chance for survival is a streaming box. Imagine what Naughty Dog could do if they could target a 5080 or 5090. There wouldn't be anything on PC or Xbox that comes close to the graphics. Even big sexy PC games need to run on lower end systems to they can sell enough units to recoup. Maybe a hybrid model at first with some local processing and some games being cloud based. Either way, this is the only thing that can really set them apart from Steam and Xbox.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

2028 at the absolute earliest. There is no upside to launching next year. Nothing on Helix will embarrass Playstation from a graphics perspective.

GTA 6 60 fps

 

[simpatico]

GTA 6 60 fps

Well let's make sure the cover band making it even pulls it off before betting the PlayStation brand on a property Sony has no control over. Even then, I don't know that we have any evidence that 60fps in a game that mainstream would move hardware if they can play it at 30 on PS5 os SX. Not having great performance doesn't seem to have had any negative effect on Switch sales.

 

[bender]

Remember MLID leak about PS5 Pro? It was 90% correct.

That sure is a fancy city slicker way of saying he was wrong, partner.

 

[MacReady13]

Let's get real for a moment here- is the PS5 lacking that much that we need a successor to it already? You have the PS5 pro if desired. Just stick with what you have and squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Maybe release a dedicated handheld that isn't a fucking streaming device as a stop gap between this gen and next to appease the masses then around 2029-2030 release the PS6. The PS5 can keep up with any modern day game so why are they so eager to get this fucking thing out? Release some new PS5/Pro bundles or some new PS5/Pro console with different face plates on them to make it appear like it's a new look console! Surely these things aren't too hard to understand for Sony?

 

[Proelite]

Everything you said is wrong, impressive.

In order to be 100% wrong, one has to be 100% correct.

 

[Topher]

In order to be 100% wrong, one has to be 100% correct.

 

[Arsic]

Not after all that loss from Bungie.

Can't risk an ill timed new console and lose more.

lol imagine being a Bungie fan in 2026. Couldn't be me.

 

[bender]

Nvm

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Even then, I don't know that we have any evidence that 60fps in a game that mainstream would move hardware if they can play it at 30 on PS5 os SX. Not having great performance doesn't seem to have had any negative effect on Switch sales.

People will buy it. You almost have to think of the PS6 as what the PS5 Pro should have been. Not sure how Sony will spin that.

 

[Mayar]

He was only wrong about TF number, 33TF number is not correct because console is not based on RDNA3. But 16.5TF RDNA2 = 33TF RDNA3 so it's really not important detail.

Now let me introduce you to modern journalism.

MLID was wrong in its analysis of the market and PS5 capabilities - Bojji

An unprecedented scandal is unfolding on the Neogaf forum. One of our trusted sources, Bojji , has reported that a user with the nickname MLID has been providing false information in his forecasts.
Irrefutable evidence was presented to the forum's court, as Bojji himself noted:

He was wrong about TF number, 33TF number is not correct because console is not based on RDNA3.

Sincerely, the Neogaf Hot News editorial team, we continue to follow the developments.

P.S - Of course it's a joke

 

[DenchDeckard]

Plans could have been next year and then Sam Altman came slong. If that wasn't enough then the American government went....do you want another crisis? Here's a war with iran that closes one of the main shipping lanes on the planet.. We are so cooked.

 

[SentientStone]

Only 3 more until PS9; can they make that commercial a real simulated reality?

 

[Fess]

Let's get real for a moment here- is the PS5 lacking that much that we need a successor to it already? You have the PS5 pro if desired. Just stick with what you have and squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Maybe release a dedicated handheld that isn't a fucking streaming device as a stop gap between this gen and next to appease the masses then around 2029-2030 release the PS6. The PS5 can keep up with any modern day game so why are they so eager to get this fucking thing out? Release some new PS5/Pro bundles or some new PS5/Pro console with different face plates on them to make it appear like it's a new look console! Surely these things aren't too hard to understand for Sony?

If they delay PS6 they won't have as many big games at launch. It takes 5+ years to make a game, if big studios squeeze out games late on PS5 they won't have anything besides remasters for PS6 until mid/late gen. Look at Naughty Dog this generation.

 

[MicTyson]

Well yeah if they can manufacture only 5-6m units in a year that's pointless and they should delay but the CEO's quote is mentioning costs and not supply and I think that's the main issue but given that there is no expiration date to the current situation they'll end up looking at alternative business models and products, as already suggested.

If these things cost what they are predicting, they won't have to manufacture as many. The days of everyone lining up for a console release might be drying up anyway as kids don't care about consoles anymore, games being cross gen for YEARS on end and nothing exciting dropping isn't enough.. These things possibly being 7-800 dollars and most people are not going to be buying them.