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[GoldenEye98]

I mean delaying isn't really going to improve the cost...

The only way around this issue is a lower spec'd model...

 

[schaft0620]

If it were me, I would just aim for 2030.

- The global economy should resolve some of its issues once the Trump admin is out.
- The PS5 Pro isn't going to feel dated for some time.
- PS4 needs to be end of life with no support.

 

[Elios83]

If ypu mean "multiple products" as games, then sure, to me it's more like going multiplatform with extra steps, like they were doing with the PS5, yeah there are "exclusives" but eventually everything is ported to PC, but they might add the behemoth that's the SW2 and Xbox if it makes "business sense" aka getting more money asap, like they did with their only GAAS success, Helldivers 2

So, the rumors of going back to exclusive games were unfounded

I meant multiple hw products = high end PS6 costing 700-800$, a handheld aimed at those wanting portability at 599$, and something like Series S (something like a PS5 but redesigned with modern features and architecture) reaching mainstream at 450-499$.


They won't do multiplatform anymore except for multiplayer games.
It's pointless, either they go the Microsoft third party way and they won't because their business is based around their own successful platform they have to promote or they have to release the games 1-2 years later which is what they have tried to do this generation with the results that sales are low and not worth it.

 

[Clear]

If it were me, I would just aim for 2030.

- The global economy should resolve some of its issues once the Trump admin is out.
- The PS5 Pro isn't going to feel dated for some time.
- PS4 needs to be end of life with no support.

It isn't just Trump you cretin.

You think that the Dems would have acted any differently to the AI gold-rush ?

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

They decided, these decisions are made during an ongoing R&D process.

 

[Darsxx82]

Release it in 2027 if it's ready.

First buyers will be the hardcore anyway.

Then 2028 and future hope that prices go down for ram and other components to get the rest onboard.

If in 2028 price of component prices don't go down then delaying to 2028 would have not helped anyway.

This. It makes no sense to delay the launch of a product and a plan that takes years to develop based on a situation that has no clear prospect of being resolved anytime soon.

The logical strategy is to sell to the hardcore user who doesn't care about price, establish an initial user base and have studios adapt to the new hardware, and wait to see how the RAM crisis evolves while continuing to sell and maximize the PS5 generation with cross-gen games.

Imagine delaying the launch by one (or two, as some are asking) years and finding that you can't offer a console for around €500, and on top of that, it launches technologically outdated

 

[Bojji]

They decided, these decisions are made during an ongoing R&D process.

Yeah, they didn't spend billions of R&D with no release date planned...

Original plan was 2027, based on standard Sony cadence since PS3 (both Sony and MS synced their release dates since then). Of course things could change with what is happening currently with hardware prices, but according to insiders that's not the case.

Even if they don't secure a lot of RAM, PS6 will still be a niche device in 2027, high price and low availability (paper launch known from GPU launches). This will replace PS5 Pro, then when hardware prices drop they will adjust the price and true next gen will start (2029?). PS5/XSX were kinda similar with limited availablity during covid.

 

[Elios83]

They decided, these decisions are made during an ongoing R&D process.

Of course he wouldn't say differently in any case.
Actually strategically it's better to leave the doubt they are considering a delay to induce potential competitors to give up as well.

But the issues are indeed there and they will require changing business models a bit.

 

[No_Cartridge]

It's not about labelling him a liar; it's about people needing some kind of online notoriety and flooding forums with unverified information.

That bothers me.

That would only apply if the information ended up being false. Yes, people do make up leaks for attention or credibility, but that's clearly not the case here. If you spent any time looking into the information provided by the insiders on this forum, you'd see that much of what they've shared has proven to be legitimate.

 

[Deerock71]

Here comes the hybrid.

 

[Zacfoldor]

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

No, it's more likely they're looking at providing financing options for gamers to get a console without having to pay the high upfront cost due to the component shortages.

E.g. partnering with mobile companies to bundle your next phone contract with a PS6.

That's...actually smart. Playstation has regional offices for all countries they operate so i'm sure that could be an option.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Yeah, they didn't spend billions of R&D with no release date planned...

Original plan was 2027, based on standard Sony cadence since PS3 (both Sony and MS synced their release dates since then). Of course things could change with what is happening currently with hardware prices, but according to insiders that's not the case.

This type of statement is just to exert some control and induce people to continue buying PS5s. In reality, the only thing subject to change is the number of consoles that will be manufactured and the price.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Right, Sony itself is speculating. LOL

They stated that there is no set release date and that memory costs will have an impact on that decision. Has this ever happened before? There is an entire context today that has never existed before.

The fact is that Sony itself CLEARLY expressed that they have not decided when the PS6 will be released, because there are several variables that impact this process. That is a fact.

The "insiders" on this forum who categorically claim that the console will launch in 2027 don't know shit. What they say is not fact. What they say is speculation and nothing more. And all of this just so they can later fall back on the usual "plans changed" narrative.

Even more ridiculous than these guys are the idiots who believe them.

I don't know if someone touched you funny or something cause I don't know why you are sounding so hostile.

Anyways... its all speculation. Only people who know for certain when it's being released are Sony. And Sony saying they haven't decided when is no more or less a confirmation of anything.

What we do know as fact is that Sony has talked about next gen already with their project Amethyst talk this year. That's as close to an admission as Sony announcing they were working on the next-gen PlayStation back in 2019.

Also, the fact is that the hardware specs have already leaked; the timing of those leaks lines up with when such leaks happen once engineering samples start making the rounds.

Also, the fact is that unless you are new to how insider info and leaks work, you should NEVER... EVER take anything as gospel and fact. Cause they could be right at the time of leaking, but Sony doesn't owe them anything, and everything is subject to change. eg. While PS5 leakers got the CU count correct, no one got the GPU clock right. As was the case with the PS4 leaks, no one got 8GB RAM right, though they all got the bus width right.

But common sense should be applied to these leaks. Its silly to think that RAM prices could make sony delay the launch of a console, unless you are assuming that sony knows for certain that those prices will come down, not go up. This is even more relevant when you consider that things like RAM is negotiated and secured 12-18 months before mass production starts. So whatever deal sony would be making for RAM fot its next gen console, would be happenning at the latest august this year.

 

[kaizenkko]

Nothing said by Sony suggests K KeplerL2 is lying. If you don't think he is right then that's one thing, but no need to call the guy a liar



Dude.....Kepler is held in high regard in the gaming industry. He is a known insider, particularly when it comes to AMD information. There is a reason the media writes articles based directly on what he says here and on X.

I'll say it again: Kepler doesn't know shit about Sony, Microsoft, etc. He has relevant information regarding AMD, but he does not have the full set of information needed to make assertive claims about Sony's internal decisions.

What he has is a set of information that allows him to make ASSUMPTIONS, but that's all they are: assumptions. Yet he deliberately presents those assumptions as facts. He doesn't have direct information from Sony, but he acts as if he does.

So yes, he is a liar. Am I wrong? Great! If he can prove to the moderation team that he has a direct communication channel guaranteeing him information from Sony, then they can ban me. That way I'll never offend his honor again.

 

[Memati187]

That's not how it works. They already have a release date in mind. They just don't share it.

 

[Topher]

I'll say it again: Kepler doesn't know shit about Sony, Microsoft, etc. He has relevant information regarding AMD, but he does not have the full set of information needed to make assertive claims about Sony's internal decisions.

What he has is a set of information that allows him to make ASSUMPTIONS, but that's all they are: assumptions. Yet he deliberately presents those assumptions as facts. He doesn't have direct information from Sony, but he acts as if he does.

So yes, he is a liar. Am I wrong? Great! If he can prove to the moderation team that he has a direct communication channel guaranteeing him information from Sony, then they can ban me. That way I'll never offend his honor again.

You can't prove what he does or doesn't know. So are you a liar as well? Requiring proof works both ways.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Well, apparently the "insiders" and specialists of this forum don't know fucking nothing.

You want them to say oh ps6 is coming in 2027 ?

Like even if you are stupid, you wouldn't be that stupid to say that 1 year and half early and kill your ps5 sales.

It's already 50% down compared to last year if I read that report correctly . You want them to sink even more ?

C'mon man use your brain . This system is done and ready hardware specs level. Probably manufacturing too. The only thing stopping it the software not ready and the nvme / ram prices .

This thing is coming 2027.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

The transcript reads a bit differently, probably translation issues as it's all about recouping launch costs.

Exactly.

If it were me, I would just aim for 2030.

- The global economy should resolve some of its issues once the Trump admin is out.
- The PS5 Pro isn't going to feel dated for some time.
- PS4 needs to be end of life with no support.

It doesn't work that way. Sony already spent over $2B in R&D in 2024 alone. That's how next-gen R&D development ramps up and is usually the first indicator. To launch in 2030, is to suggest they throw out the billions already spent and spend some more designing a more up to date for the time APU, or to release what would be at that time, 4 year old tech for a new gen console. Which will never happen.

What he has is a set of information that allows him to make ASSUMPTIONS, but that's all they are: assumptions. Yet he deliberately presents those assumptions as facts. He doesn't have direct information from Sony, but he acts as if he does.

So yes, he is a liar. Am I wrong? Great! If he can prove to the moderation team that he has a direct communication channel guaranteeing him information from Sony, then they can ban me. That way I'll never offend his honor again.

You need to stop shit like this. Its not just unnecessarily rude and disrespectful... its also ignorant as fuck. He has already proved in the past that he has access to info. He doesn't need to prove anything, especially not to you. Now what you choose to do with that info is up to you. You don't see anyone here calling you a liar and asking you to prove that he doesn't know anything do you? And again, take any and all leaks from whoever as speculation, because common sense should let you know, that even if a leaker has a direct line into sony, they may be right at the time of leaking, but that doesn't mean sony cant still decide to change something.

That is literally how leaks work, unless something is officially announced by sony, anything you hear outside that is subject to change or be false. Hell atimes it may even be planted information design to mislead or misdirect.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I'll say it again: Kepler doesn't know shit about Sony, Microsoft, etc. He has relevant information regarding AMD, but he does not have the full set of information needed to make assertive claims about Sony's internal decisions.

What he has is a set of information that allows him to make ASSUMPTIONS, but that's all they are: assumptions. Yet he deliberately presents those assumptions as facts. He doesn't have direct information from Sony, but he acts as if he does.

So yes, he is a liar. Am I wrong? Great! If he can prove to the moderation team that he has a direct communication channel guaranteeing him information from Sony, then they can ban me. That way I'll never offend his honor again.

I'm not saying he's a liar, but I agree that he doesn't have the information about Sony, and if he does, it's because Sony provided it to him, which isn't the case here.
Somehow the whole industry is cautious, but the Xbox, which is a PC, I believe will be released in 2027 because the R&D is no longer the same as what was leaked by the FTC.

 

[Topher]

I'm not saying he's a liar, but I agree that he doesn't have the information about Sony, and if he does, it's because Sony provided it to him, which isn't the case here.

If someone has high level information from within AMD then they obviously are going to have a lot of info on PlayStation and Xbox. Neither of those consoles are shipping without AMD so the communication between Sony/Microsoft and AMD is mandatory. If Sony has plans to ship PS6 in 2027 then AMD is going to need to know about it.

 

[Bojji]

If someone has high level information from within AMD then they obviously are going to have a lot of info on PlayStation and Xbox. Neither of those consoles are shipping without AMD so the communication between Sony/Microsoft and AMD is mandatory. If Sony has plans to ship PS6 in 2027 then AMD is going to need to know about it.

It's not like they need those AMD APUs to be done

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

If someone has high level information from within AMD then they obviously are going to have a lot of info on PlayStation and Xbox. Neither of those consoles are shipping without AMD so the communication between Sony/Microsoft and AMD is mandatory. If Sony has plans to ship PS6 in 2027 then AMD is going to need to know about it.

He definitely doesn't have a high level of information within AMD; the PS6 project isn't known by many people. Regarding AMD, I think they're not as important as they seem because the chip printing is done by TSMC, so TSMC probably knows.

If anyone knew anything about the PS6, it would be the third-party developers who would need to have the dev kit today, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Minsc]

You want them to say oh ps6 is coming in 2027 ?

Like even if you are stupid, you wouldn't be that stupid to say that 1 year and half early and kill your ps5 sales.

It's already 50% down compared to last year if I read that report correctly . You want them to sink even more ?

C'mon man use your brain . This system is done and ready hardware specs level. Probably manufacturing too. The only thing stopping it the software not ready and the nvme / ram prices .

This thing is coming 2027.

What if the RAM prices / NVME prices don't drop? AI is saying prices are expected to remain high for 2027. Wonder how long they can wait until they decide to just release at a higher price.

 

[Hudo]

I think their launch data is dependent on when they can actually make a price point that is reliable and competitive, which is going to be a real fucking challenge and it most likely won't be anywhere near $399.

 

[Kerotan]

And by that he's not sure if the PS6 launches October 17th 2027 or November 17th 2027.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I'm not saying he's a liar, but I agree that he doesn't have the information about Sony, and if he does, it's because Sony provided it to him, which isn't the case here.
Somehow the whole industry is cautious, but the Xbox, which is a PC, I believe will be released in 2027 because the R&D is no longer the same as what was leaked by the FTC.

The thing is that even if not from sony, there are quite a number of ways to get this information.

Especially when looking at APU engineering samples. That are made long before the launch of a new console, and tested to hell and back. Once you have those, a consoles release window is pretty much set in stone. Or else you are just sitting on tech that gets more and more dated with each passing day.

 

[Topher]

He definitely doesn't have a high level of information within AMD; the PS6 project isn't known by many people. Regarding AMD, I think they're not as important as they seem because the chip printing is done by TSMC, so TSMC probably knows.

You're guessing just as much as I am. My point was the information doesn't necessarily have to come directly from Sony.

If anyone knew anything about the PS6, it would be the third-party developers who would need to have the dev kit today, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

So the guys who use the dev kits are going to know more than the guys who help make the dev kits?

lol....oh my

 

[Topher]

It's not like they need those AMD APUs to be done

"Hey AMD.......can we get about 10 million or so APUs next week? We are launching a console Friday. K? Thx"

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

The thing is that even if not from sony, there are quite a number of ways to get this information.

Especially when looking at APU engineering samples. That are made long before the launch of a new console, and tested to hell and back. Once you have those, a consoles release window is pretty much set in stone. Or else you are just sitting on tech that gets more and more dated with each passing day.

Let's do an exercise: Sega showed VF Project and didn't announce which platform it will be released on – obviously because the platform doesn't exist – maybe it'll be the PS6, maybe arcade board of their own in partnership with Nvidia, who knows ? Why isn't anyone talking about it ? You might say, because nothing is happening yeh. But at the same time, this argues against the existence of insiders of sensitive technology; there are industrial secrets. Any true leak only occurs after the company has revealed it first. It's very easy to theorize dates for things we know are happening now; revealing industrial secrets is impossible without some form of criminal hacking.

 

[Topher]

Any true leak only occurs after the company has revealed it first.

 

[KeplerL2]

He definitely doesn't have a high level of information within AMD; the PS6 project isn't known by many people. Regarding AMD, I think they're not as important as they seem because the chip printing is done by TSMC, so TSMC probably knows.

If anyone knew anything about the PS6, it would be the third-party developers who would need to have the dev kit today, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Everything you said is wrong, impressive.

 

[GoldenEye98]

He definitely doesn't have a high level of information within AMD; the PS6 project isn't known by many people. Regarding AMD, I think they're not as important as they seem because the chip printing is done by TSMC, so TSMC probably knows.

If anyone knew anything about the PS6, it would be the third-party developers who would need to have the dev kit today, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

AMD is designing the chip. They literally know everything.

 

[Killer8]

I don't really see any reason to delay. The hardware has been designed already. Components are going to be expensive regardless of whether they're going to be used in a PS5 or a PS6. PS5 sales are seemingly falling off a cliff too, based off the most recent FY numbers. Sony could extend the generation onwards to try and eek more out of the PS5, maybe to take advantage of a supposed GTA6 bump, but it feels like a well that's been tapped now and any attempts to extend it would seem artificial.

 

[Nvzman]

PS5 has still not felt like it has hit its stride. If PS6 came out next year, this would be the most pointless generation ever. You'd be seeing PS5 games for the next 10+ years anyway.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

AMD is designing the chip. They literally know everything.

My man, they don't know if the date will be 2027 or 2028 or any other. They're just designing the chip, that's all. That stage has already passed. Only mass production can predict the launch date, but mass production only happens after the console has been publicly revealed. There is a schedule, everything is done strictly on time some steps cannot be skipped.
You're not perfectly informed about how these things work.

So the guys who use the dev kits are going to know more than the guys who help make the dev kits?

lol....oh my

Finally, you get it. Exactly, we haven't even reached the point where dev kits exist yet.

 

[Tobimacoss]

The interesting part is that they will look at different business models and products to handle the situation.
Which imo confirms what was evident.
The traditional business model isn't sustainable.
They need multiple products catering to different audiences targeting different prices since the beginning and reason in terms of ecosystem.

There is simply NO scenario where delaying a high end PS6 by a year will result in a 399-499$ price and possibly a specs bump.
That's pure delusion, there is no end in sight for the current situation, things could get worse depending on wars...

Canis TV box is the only thing next gen that can achieve a $399 price point.

 

[Mayar]

You can't prove what he does or doesn't know. So are you a liar as well? Requiring proof works both ways.

Works for information sources too.

Honestly, I'd be happy if the PS6 came out later. Frankly, given the current market and economic situation, I'm simply afraid to even imagine a console release under these conditions and its price.

 

[ReasonBeing]

PS5 will be supported for the entire PS6 generation. And if you thought PS4 stuck around for long, wait for how many will keep their PS5s and PS5 Pros.

Console generations are dead for all intents. They cannot afford to have every consumer put the initial investment every 7 years nor can they afford to sell games to an install base below 100M.

This is what I believe will happen as well. The industry will have to reconfigure itself towards game accessibility if it wants to continue to grow, and that means embracing relatively low spec devices and focusing on optimization. I think this is a good thing, in many respects. All my opinions are just that, opinions. They are unfounded and I came to them simply through deduction.

 

[SupaComputa]

Who cares, the problems now are badly designed and broken games, fidelity doesn't matter. Most new worthwhile games run on a 2018 PC.

 

[Sid]

2027 confirmed. It's over.

 

[Topher]

My man, they don't know if the date will be 2027 or 2028 or any other. They're just designing the chip, that's all. That stage has already passed. Only mass production can predict the launch date, but mass production only happens after the console has been publicly revealed. There is a schedule, everything is done strictly on time some steps cannot be skipped.
You're not perfectly informed about how these things work.

Finally, you get it. Exactly, we haven't even reached the point where dev kits exist yet.

Nothing you are saying makes any sense

 

[ReasonBeing]

My man, they don't know if the date will be 2027 or 2028 or any other. They're just designing the chip, that's all. That stage has already passed. Only mass production can predict the launch date, but mass production only happens after the console has been publicly revealed. There is a schedule, everything is done strictly on time some steps cannot be skipped.
You're not perfectly informed about how these things work.

Finally, you get it. Exactly, we haven't even reached the point where dev kits exist yet.

What has led you to believe this?

 

[Topher]

Nvm

 

[KeplerL2]

My man, they don't know if the date will be 2027 or 2028 or any other. They're just designing the chip, that's all. That stage has already passed. Only mass production can predict the launch date, but mass production only happens after the console has been publicly revealed. There is a schedule, everything is done strictly on time some steps cannot be skipped.
You're not perfectly informed about how these things work.

Finally, you get it. Exactly, we haven't even reached the point where dev kits exist yet.

AMD buys wafer capacity from TSMC, this is done years in advance and they have to know the planned release date.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Let's do an exercise: Sega showed VF Project and didn't announce which platform it will be released on – obviously because the platform doesn't exist – maybe it'll be the PS6, maybe arcade board of their own in partnership with Nvidia, who knows ? Why isn't anyone talking about it ? You might say, because nothing is happening yeh. But at the same time, this argues against the existence of insiders of sensitive technology; there are industrial secrets. Any true leak only occurs after the company has revealed it first. It's very easy to theorize dates for things we know are happening now; revealing industrial secrets is impossible without some form of criminal hacking.

I think its safe to say that the launch of software is very different from the launch of hardware... or even more so, a console.

By the time sony and AMD has finished designing an APU, that APU will go through a number of revisions called steppings. This process can take 12-18 months before the retail APU is finalized. Thats 12-18 months of revisions and testing. This testing is not done in some secret lab by sony and amd, but alongside whatever else AMD has got working on. And it would be given some sort of code name or whatever. Like dGFK2201 or some shit like that. Leakers can know what code name goes to which product.

But get this, you cannot release a console at any point in time without having had that kinda lead time towards finalizing your APU. This is the reason why once you start seeing APU leaks, release dates are never really more than 18-24months away. There is just no way around that.

Unless, again as I said, you are sitting on finished tech and waiting for RAM prices to come down...

 

[Hero_Select]

so we will have 2027 tech in 2029, sounds great ;d

As opposed to having 2025 tech in 2027?

That's how consoles work.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Let's do an exercise: Sega showed VF Project and didn't announce which platform it will be released on – obviously because the platform doesn't exist – maybe it'll be the PS6, maybe arcade board of their own in partnership with Nvidia, who knows ? Why isn't anyone talking about it ? You might say, because nothing is happening yeh. But at the same time, this argues against the existence of insiders of sensitive technology; there are industrial secrets. Any true leak only occurs after the company has revealed it first. It's very easy to theorize dates for things we know are happening now; revealing industrial secrets is impossible without some form of criminal hacking.

You do know there are handfuls of people that are not directly tied to AMD or MS or Playstation yet still know a lot of people in those industries and still have tons of info and every once in a while they do let stuff out when they know it to be safe

And by safe I mean when enough people know like when its spoken about in a larger group while gaming not when its talked about while gaming with just one other person

Some could say a lot of "industrial secrets" but would soon be out of that circle of trust

Oh and those industrial secrets, each camp knows exactly what the other is doing pretty much at all times and that leads to people chatting about the other camp

Its literally why you only need one or two super high level contact or friend and you know pretty much everything from both camps

 

[Mayar]

The problem now isn't so much releasing a console (all it takes is just starting production), but how to release it in the current market climate of instability and ever-rising prices, and who will be able to afford it. Let's put aside for a second the fact that we're on Neogaf, where everyone has two 5090s—one in their PC, and the other is being used to spread butter on bread. The price of Switch has just gone up (both of them, in fact), and rumors from Steam and Microsoft about their machine aren't particularly encouraging either. The real question is how feasible it is to sell a console costing over $1,000+ to the masses. This really takes me back to the days of 3DO and Neogeo, they did it really "well" back then.

 

[//DEVIL//]

What if the RAM prices / NVME prices don't drop? AI is saying prices are expected to remain high for 2027. Wonder how long they can wait until they decide to just release at a higher price.

Price is a variable . PS6 will be sold out even at 1k USD window. ( Assuming the specs support a high price )

It's what after that will determine the success of a console. But it's not a logical logistic move to aim for 2027. Tell publishers and devs it's a 2027 release, include it in their forecast and their development pipeline ( and same goes for first and second party Games not just third party Games ) and then say oh we gonna wait because ram prices is too high. It doesn't work this way.

Also if the war stops / tariffs ends / ram and nvme prices go down, then by default the price of consoles will go down. But they are not delaying a system release because of market price is not in customers favor