StereoVsn
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I am personally having a Blast with this thread. But on a scale of Blasting 1-10, Marathon is about 7.
Concord though …
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Marathon approaching 15k CCU low (sponsored by coachmcguirk91 - still having a blast)
Concord though …
MagusMajul
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Did the game just plateaued at 13k on a Friday?
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Nothing can match the thrill of Concord.I am personally having a Blast with this thread. But on a scale of Blasting 1-10, Marathon is about 7.
Concord though …
The hilariously awful DEI character designs, "The Professor", all the talk about it being Herman Hulst's baby with "Star Wars-like potential", the wannabe Guardians of the Galaxy tone that felt 10 years out of date, the shocking $250 million budget, devs lashing out on Twitter…
It was truly a spectacle to behold. I don't know if any future flop can ever approach the majesty of Concord.
mdkirby
Gold Member
Concordian. It sends a clearer firmer message. Instant death, complete loss of half a billion dollars, humiliation and studio closure. Repeat the pattern enough and even Sony will start to get the message.
baphomet
Member
Microsoft is the only CoD killer these days
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I agree, while Marathon is an equivalent of a nice series on say Starz or Netflix, Concord was in a league of its own!
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Concord, Highguard, Marathon (can just put all of Bungie in here), upcoming Fairgame$ and that Hunter Gathering crap.
Sony is burning through $$$ on GaaS like a Wall Street trader on his coke habit!
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mdkirby
Gold Member
There's at least half a dozen cancelled but unreleased GaaS games to add to that list, and almost as many studio purchases where they were bought for GaaS or repurposed into GaaS studios after acquisition.
Insomniac spent ages making a spiderman multi player that was cancelled
Last of us online
Bend were making gaas
Bluepoint we're making gaas
A whole bunch of others I can't recall from the top of my head.
It's why we've had almost zero decent games from Sony in years. They redirect practically every studio into GaaS, most were shit canned after years of work, so they have nothing to show (if they survived at all, ie bluepoint)
Plague Doctor
Member
Donkey, I remember all of us on GAF when Concord hit and then died in a glorious bonfire.
Now that was a fucking blast.....
I hope Horizon Hunters Gathering comes even remotely close to that.
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Donkey, I remember all of us on GAF when Concord hit and then died in a glorious bonfire.
Now that was a fucking blast.....
I hope Horizon Hunters Gathering comes even remotely close to that.
This right here, whoever did this needs taken into a field and dealt with
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Fingers crossed. This might be the closest we ever get to a true Concord successor. It's honestly a miracle that it hasn't been canceled yet. I think the gaming gods are watching out for us.Donkey, I remember all of us on GAF when Concord hit and then died in a glorious bonfire.
Now that was a fucking blast.....
I hope Horizon Hunters Gathering comes even remotely close to that.
kpopSuperstar
Gold Member
This right here, whoever did this needs taken into a field and dealt with
Plague Doctor
Member
I mean this is the best part. Some devs or creative leads think they are sticking it to us consumers or changing cultural opinions or at the very least, making us upset.
None of this is true!
This brings me legitimate joy!
A. It is hilarious! You can't write intentional comedy this good.
B. I get to schendenfraunden -rubberneck the bomb, and get to socialize with you guys, clowning on this shit.
C. Then, I get the post mortem and people wondering how did it fail, why people are losing their jobs, like dumbfounded clueless dipshits
D. Then, I get the memes for years to come.
If the devs refuse to make good games, please keep on making this dogshit! Waste more money!
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Too bad most everyone who went to bat for Concord were permed. That sawyer fellow was really entertaining to watch.
Fbh
Gold Member
According to google the median game dev salary in Washington is around $115K.
So they are burning almost $4 million a month on salaries alone.
On a game that on its strongest platform is already outside of the 200 top selling and 100 most played games.
same.
that's what we're all trying to figure out here they got to be making money somewhere
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
deeptech
Member
I mean, it's not 100% impossible that he would land a job at the company tbh m8.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Timberwolf25
Member
Perhaps a Snake Oil Salesman sold them on the risk was worth the reward and that it was just a tiny step away from being an OmegaGenre and generating billions of dollars with little to no effort once it got a CCU over a 100k......oops!!!
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falconhoof
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Code:
| Date UTC | Coverage h | Avg CCU | Peak CCU | Player-hours | DAU range | DAU midpoint |
| Fri 2026-04-24 | 24.0 | 13,035 | 20,171 | 312,828 | 104,276-250,262 | 156,414 |
| Sat 2026-04-25 | 24.0 | 15,003 | 20,964 | 360,076 | 120,025-288,061 | 180,038 |
| Sun 2026-04-26 | 24.0 | 14,887 | 20,618 | 357,283 | 119,094-285,826 | 178,642 |
| Mon 2026-04-27 | 24.0 | 10,708 | 17,289 | 256,998 | 85,666-205,598 | 128,499 |
| Tue 2026-04-28 | 24.0 | 9,157 | 16,459 | 219,774 | 73,258-175,819 | 109,887 |
| Wed 2026-04-29 | 24.0 | 9,572 | 15,616 | 229,731 | 76,577-183,785 | 114,866 |
| Thu 2026-04-30 | 24.0 | 9,259 | 15,096 | 222,227 | 74,076-177,782 | 111,114 |
| Fri 2026-05-01 | 24.0 | 10,852 | 16,820 | 260,442 | 86,814-208,354 | 130,221 |Checking the Player Hours from yesterday to the previous Friday and though there was an increase compared to the week day, it was far from the Friday before.
Be interesting to see how this weekend compares. There's clearly a resistance with the game finding a core set of blast havers, but the dam is sill leaking without much in the way of a turn around signal from the upcoming Season 2.
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Fbh
Gold Member
I mean, at this point they've failed so many times with their live service attempts that it's statistically more likely to succeed by literally just betting on live service projects at random instead of leaving the decision to Hermen Hulst and current Sony leadership. Random is literally better than consistently making bad decisions.
So as much as I'd like the job I'll have to decline and introduce the new leader of the Playstation live service initiative:
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Ev1L AuRoN
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That's what you get for not launching Destiny 3. 
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Illogical.
How many "failures" did NASA experience before Apollo 11?
Small minds view failure as evidence to revert back to the before times. Successful minds view failure as necessary to build knowledge base.
The market is what it is. There's no going back to 2013. PlayStation rightly knows that it has to succeed here and it's building its expertise do so.
Oh and about Marathon...
calico
Member
NASA's funding was guaranteed indefinitely by the state's monopoly on violence. Sony is a company which exists to make a profit; its willingness to keep throwing good money after bad to try and save face re the Bungie acquisition is not going to be unlimited.
They will undoubtedly learn lessons here, such as don't spend $4bn acquiring a studio and having them make a game which appeals to hardly anyone, and don'tsteal choose an art style which makes selling cosmetic mtx very difficult if you are relying on mtx to fund on-going development. These are very expensive lessons which could and should have been understood at no cost using only common sense.
They will undoubtedly learn lessons here, such as don't spend $4bn acquiring a studio and having them make a game which appeals to hardly anyone, and don't
falconhoof
Member
Illogical.
How many "failures" did NASA experience before Apollo 11?
Small minds view failure as evidence to revert back to the before times. Successful minds view failure as necessary to build knowledge base.
The market is what it is. There's no going back to 2013. PlayStation rightly knows that it has to succeed here and it's building its expertise do so.
Oh and about Marathon...
You just highlighted a problem with AAA. It spends too much money to make mistakes.
It builds projects on near blind hope where proofs are found too late to change course. It's inherit to how projects are planned out. They use terminology that sounds right "pre-production", "vertical slice", "first playable" "alpha" etc... They signal intent to learn, but really there's no real course correction path, it's not built in. one milestone will move onto the next regardless of results, at best it'll get an extension, but typically will be tasked with fixing prior issues as well as pushing forward with scheduled tasks.
One of the results of this is it creates teams that don't operate on confidence. They haven't tasted the proof of good, they're conditions to believe that the fun will come later, just keep pushing forward with those tasks.
When you strip a game like Marathon down and remove all the wild expense you can see a game that could be built out and fully tested at a fraction of the cost, with a fraction of the team size. Flaws could be found and fixed, fun could be had, better understanding of focus found. Then incrementally build on that the expense, build with confidence, discovery exactly what doesn't work when/if the game dips during testing and eradicate.
Man, I held Bungie up in such high regard back when they talked about the 30 seconds of fun mantra that built Halo, highlighting the important aspect of the thing the player does in that short window of time and not viewing it from the expensive high level of a 400 person team blowing masses of cash on stuff. They've clearly got that talent still who can perform well building that moment-to-moment experience, but the surrounding parts are much weaker. UI, Art direction, content, have all contributed negatively and harmed what is clearly a solid foundation of gunplay and movement.
You call this an Early Access game, and it's not without merit. This is clearly not a game building off a successful launch towards an expanded second season. It's a game still finding out what its launch should look like, but its now got the burden of trying to maintain a player base whilst doing so. The fact that it's failed to launch to the requirements of its cost means it's on the back foot. It can't launch again cause it's already out, so it somehow has to relaunch itself and try to get people to unlearn their beliefs all whilst burning mountains of cash week by week.
So all those Marathon versions of Apollo 1 - 10 should have built them with the confidence to get to the moon with Apollo 11. If they truly felt like they had it, well there's some humble pie to eat and reflection to observe because it didn't. They now don't even know if there's a wizard on that moon.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I've been saying this for a while... just look at what Marathon shipped with, it took them like six years to make a shooter with four maps and seven character classes. And they are a company that has been making exclusively shooters for almost 30 years.
Mass Effect 3 launched with a fully fledged multiplayer mode that, well, let's be honest, has more content than this. And a full single player RPG. And it came out like 2 years after the prior one. Something has gone seriously wrong with AAA game development. I am not sure it can be fixed but people act like this is just how it is now and it doesn't have to be.
KimDongHwan
Member
I think the good thing about Concord that I am not sure we will get from the slow death of Marathon, is that Sony couldn't spin Concord failure and had to refund and apologize in corporate, but Marathon will probably not even get a PS Blog post, they will silently stop supporting it so there won't be a big payoff, if anything there might be a delayed payoff
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
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falconhoof
Member
ME3 was built by a confident team. The project in general was well planned out, known to be a trilogy from the get go, so the team knew what they were working towards. With that confidence it allowed them to push in the right places (We can forget the ending part, clearly mistakes can happen), including adding a multiplayer mode.
The biggest ding I'd give that team was giving up on ME3 multiplayer too soon. It was still a super strong product when they ended working on it in order to put focus on Anthem. I think they left a stronger product to die there when they could have continued with ME3 multiplayer and built on a solid foundation. The success was a surprise though so plans weren't in place to do anything with it and bigger commitments like Anthem and Mass Effect Andromeda had already been made.
Whilst I personally prefer ME1 as jank as that is in many parts, I can respect the trilogy overall and the strides it made with each game to push with higher ambition.
AmuroChan
Member
That's what you get for not launching Destiny 3.
tbf Destiny 3 would've been crucified as well considering how Destiny 2 ended.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Update from last night as I didnt get around to it. Spot on! Came in at 17,050. Was literally off by -50 people (or -0.3%). A Friday couldnt beat cryo Thursday. Now rated over 6,000th place in reviews.
And ya, Rock won! Awesome close game! The last few minutes were crazy with San Diego trying to tie it with diving goals. One counted, one was called off for crease violation!
All time peak was launch day 88.3k. Peak was 17.1k is -71.2k or -81%
Peak vs yesterday: 17.1k vs 17.1k (flat)
Yesterday's low 5.9k. If the rate holds, low tonight will be 5.9k
Fri vs Fri: 17.1k vs 21k (-3.9k or -19%)
Alternate method to estimate peaks and valleys (ballpark ratios)
On normal weekdays, 3.3:1. For example, a peak 20k will have a low of 6k. For Fri/Sat, gamers stay up playing so the ratio is 2.5:1
Steam Rankings
Daily Active Users 128
Global Top Sellers 265
Weekly Top Sellers 74 ending Apr 28 (was 81 last week)
Top Rated Games 6,006 (83.91%)
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
1 pm completed hour.
Today 12.7k
Last Saturday 15.6k, peak was 20.7k
Tracking at -2.9k or -18.5% to last week. Estimated peak tonight is 20.7k less 18.5% = 16.9k
Today 12.7k
Last Saturday 15.6k, peak was 20.7k
Tracking at -2.9k or -18.5% to last week. Estimated peak tonight is 20.7k less 18.5% = 16.9k
ChorizoPicozo
Member
This video argues that the upcoming extraction shooter Marathon is in a state of "collapse" due to concerning trends in its player engagement and development. Below is a summary of the key points discussed:
Declining Player Base: The speaker points out that for the first time in the game's history, the peak player count on Friday was lower than on Thursday, which he views as a massive indicator of failure (1:05 - 3:05).
Projected Player Loss: Regarding future performance, the speaker warns that players are leaving in "slabs" rather than small percentages. He projects that the game could see a significant 30% drop in its player base by Monday, though he acknowledges this is a prediction in a "wild west" scenario and the actual decline could range anywhere between 20% and 40% (4:05 - 6:07).
Systemic Gameplay Issues: The video highlights that matchmaking is deteriorating, forcing casual players (PVMers) to be consistently "farmed" by highly skilled PvP players, which is driving the former away from the game (6:09 - 6:30).
Art Style and Concept Criticism: The creator harshly criticizes the game's core concept and its art style, describing the latter as "pathetic" and visually unappealing (7:05 - 8:17).
Skepticism of Bungie: The speaker claims that official data regarding the game's success—such as launch month player counts—is heavily inflated or fabricated, specifically arguing that the console player base is likely below 30% (8:49 - 10:24).
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Timberrrrr! Some nice data tracking falcon.
Hilarious to see the thread title change.
As an early fun estimate, if today ends at about 17k as projected above, the ballpark historic day over day losses are -10% Sun vs Sat, and then compounded another -10% Mon vs Sun.
So 17k * 90% * 90% = about 13.8k Monday peak. Round up if you want to 14k.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
lol just look at this shit. You can tell this was some repulsive feminist taking revenge against men + conventional beauty standards
Trogdor1123
Member
Is there numbers for consoles?
As I recall, destiny was more popular on consoles than pc.
Not that it matters, I'm just wondering
Another question I have is how long does the game need to run before refunds are no longer needed (from Sonys perspective)?
As I recall, destiny was more popular on consoles than pc.
Not that it matters, I'm just wondering
Another question I have is how long does the game need to run before refunds are no longer needed (from Sonys perspective)?
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ToneyJ
Member
Concordian for sure. Marathon's slow decline is almost as boring to watch as the game itself.
mdkirby
Gold Member
I'd rather they not make dumb decisions and make good games with good stories.
But here we are I guess
Pollux
Member
Only way Bungie survives this is Destiny 3 - with all the money they pumped into Marathon and how much they neglected Destiny 2, Destiny 2 is still going to end up with a higher CCU.I see the numbers are a little higher again today so wanted to check in on the standing. Tarkov has popped back up now and Hunt is at levels Marathon might never see again.
playbignbox
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I'm one of those who bought it and already dropped the game; it feels like a second job.
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