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[EviLore]

AoT spoilers obviously





"Eren became a protagonist who committed mass slaughter on a scale rarely seen in other works of fiction. As for why I conceived such a story from the beginning, part of it was my desire to create a narrative with a major twist—where the victim becomes the perpetrator. But a large factor was also my own immaturity and foolishness at the time, when I was in my early twenties. That aspect became the core of Eren's character, leading to the point where he confesses not as someone forced into wrongdoing by circumstances, but as someone who harbored a desire to do harm. However, "Attack on Titan" had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readers. In the end, without fully committing to portraying him as a detestable figure, I found myself depicting him with a certain closeness and sympathy. As a result, I feel there remains a sense of insincerity in the story's conclusion—at least in my own assessment."

Needed to full send it, friend.

 

[FullMetalx117]

So if he had it his way Eren would've come across as an obvious villain. I like the gray he went with personally

 

[EviLore]

So if he had it his way Eren would've come across as an obvious villain. I like the gray he went with personally

Committing to a destroy the world ending would've been much more impactful than Eren pretending to while plotting his own demise, I think. The half measures diminished it, could have been one of the greats.

 

[BloodFree]

Yeah, no shit. Insincere is putting it mildly. The ending absolutely ruined some amazing prior moments of the show, abandons plot details/characters like Historia and it straight up doesn't make fucking sense. A huge shame for what could've been an excelent show.

To this day I'm amazed how many people think the ending is good or even fine. I guess it's the necessary belief that the show was so good until that point that there is no way the ending is trash, so that must also be good.

 

[EviLore]

Yeah, no shit. Insincere is putting it mildly. The ending absolutely ruined some amazing prior moments of the show, abandons plot details/characters like Historia and it straight up doesn't make fucking sense. A huge shame for what could've been an excelent show.

To this day I'm amazed how many people think the ending is good or even fine. I guess it's the necessary belief that the show was so good until that point that there is no way the ending is trash, so that must also be good.

And made Eren a cuck. Really an all-time fumble.

 

[The Cockatrice]

The most useless protagonist in the history of animes. I loved the anime overall, but yeah...nobody gave a fuck about Eren after the first two seasons.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Agreed.
It completely changed who he was when he announced he was jealous and just doing it to protect his friends.
That's not the character that was portrayed up to that point.
Eren was always single minded and fool hardy. That's what made the rumbling so tragic.

 

[Shubh_C63]

I liked the ending. They have been beating this drum since episode 1 about eat or be eaten.
Eren saw the final conflict as the same, let the best philosophy and effort win.

 

[thefool]

Floch vindicated.

 

[BloodFree]

And made Eren a cuck. Really an all-time fumble.

Heh, yeah ... Honestly even that, I could've lived with if everything else was done properly. Eren getting character assassinated is one thing (one big thing since he's the mc but whatever), but other characters get fucked too.

Zeke's ending makes no sense.
Historia is a non-entity.
Ymir gets turned from this sympathetic slave girl that you feel sorry for into a HOLY SHIT straight up psychotic bitch that is fine with (or I believe actually orchestrating, I'm not fresh on the ending) a 80% wipeout of humanity just so she can get her rocks off. Honestly, I'd argue she gets it worse than even Eren on the character assassination front.
Mikasa is the key to it all, even though the rest of the show makes it clear that she isn't.
Levy shouldn't have even been there LOL, fucker twists his ankle in S01 and is out of commission for S02, but now somehow tanks a missile to the face and is ready for work in like 2 days.

And there's probably like 20 other character related things I can't remember right now. A complete fucking mess.

 

[BloodFree]

The most useless protagonist in the history of animes. I loved the anime overall, but yeah...nobody gave a fuck about Eren after the first two seasons.

That's simply because for most of the show with Eren it mostly feels like he's along for the ride and part of the team, until the basement reveal. He does become more interesting after in S04, but that is because it feels like the show is finally giving him agency and he's the one driving the plot now. Then the ending rug pulls and you get ... that.

 

[Denton]

Do manga and anime have the same story and ending? I only saw the anime so I want to know what he is talking about specifically. I remember loving the show but I do not really remember the ending in great detail anymore, just flashes from it.

 

[BloodFree]

Do manga and anime have the same story and ending? I only saw the anime so I want to know what he is talking about specifically. I remember loving the show but I do not really remember the ending in great detail anymore, just flashes from it.

For the most part, yes. Anime changes some minor things, or rather "fixes" some of the very low hanging fruit, but the major events play out the same. For all intents and purposes it's the same ending.

 

[kikkis]

I can see why in real life someone who many think hero turns complete lunatic, but i just find that it usually dont work that well on stories.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

"I got the bag but I fell to peer pressure and fucked up my vision. Thanks for the money though! You won't catch me making another series. Peace."

 

[Hyet]

I didn't read the manga, just follower the anime, but I though the ending was interesting and I liked it. Eren was always a nutjob you can't trust and everything followed suit. Not saying everything it's perfect or makes sense, even, but I appreciate the angle and felt refreshing at the time for me.

 

[Bojji]

"I got the bag but I fell to peer pressure and fucked up my vision. Thanks for the money though! You won't catch me making another series. Peace."

But he didn't fuck up his vision, this was the ending he envisioned at the beggining.

Overall I think ending of AoT was fitting, and they unleashed the weapon of mass destruction that was always talked about - most of the stories with themes like that, avoid doing that all together (so bonus points from me!).

 

[MayauMiao]

I was hoping Eren would have a grand master plan, be it evil or not, only to fumble because he ends up being nothing more than a cuck to some girl from 3000 years ago.

 

[Moondoggy]

He needs to get off social media and quit listening to the whiners on there, was it a perfect ending, no, was it as bad as the people who have been borderline harassing him about it for years now think it is, hell no.

 

[Trilobit]

However, "Attack on Titan" had long since ceased to be mine alone, and Eren became a character loved by many readers.

I absolutely loathe this mentality. TV shows sometimes do this where characters becomes popular so they stop writing them the way they were supposed to be.

I'm only interested in the uncompromising vision of the creators and the stories they want and have sought out to tell. The characters always only belong to the authors/artists, not the audiences even though they've invested a lot of time into them.

 

[dave_d]

Wait did I misunderstand something? I thought one of the "Powers of the Path" is it lets Eren see the outcome of any path he tries.(Not just see the future but see any potential future) I thought that's why he did what he did. From what I saw the paths told him the following

• In all paths he dies.(Due to the curse)
• It told him the peace conference was a complete waste of time and that people would bicker instead of actually coming up with a solution and trying to let and let live.(The path was right btw. He did not seemed surprised at all by the results)
• If he tried to live his life in peace with Mikasa they'd just spend their life running and war would simply continue. (And she'd probably get hunted down after his death)
• When given the opportunity the world at large would literally kill a little girl with dogs for no reason than to combat boredom. (The murder of Eren's aunt. They are no saints given this and the peace conference.)

I was under the impression given what he saw he was REALLY jaded and figured the rest of the world brought it all on themselves so he focused on using the path to come up with an outcome to make sure as many of the people he cared about would come out ok. (Since he figured he might as well be selfish, everybody else is. It probably didn't help that at some point his dad stole his life from him and was using him as a tool by turning him into a titan. Yes I know he used the path to push Grisha into doing it but Grisha could have stopped it.)

 

[dave_d]

I also go the impression a secondary goal of Eren was to get rid of the titans.(Since that only brought misery on the Eldians.) However I thought he figured he had to be careful in doing that because the rest of the world would probably just hunt down the Eldians if he did that so he did in such a way that they wouldn't be able to do anything after the fact.(Basically going after the Eldians for the sins of the father even after they tried to make amends for it.)

 

[Werewolf Jones]

But he didn't fuck up his vision, this was the ending he envisioned at the beggining.

He did change things from being inspired by Game of Thrones and Guardians of the Galaxy btw.

 

[Toots]

Stated bluntly, his manga unfortunately ended up in the middle of a (western) culture war and as a result everything in the story became so politicized it had to be neutered so the fascists eremika shippers could not unite and rumble out of their moms basement, destroying life as we know it.

Any artistic endeavour cannot survive being neutered.

 

[thefool]

Wait did I misunderstand something? I thought one of the "Powers of the Path" is it lets Eren see the outcome of any path he tries.(Not just see the future but see any potential future) I thought that's why he did what he did. From what I saw the paths told him the following

• In all paths he dies.(Due to the curse)
• It told him the peace conference was a complete waste of time and that people would bicker instead of actually coming up with a solution and trying to let and let live.(The path was right btw. He did not seemed surprised at all by the results)
• If he tried to live his life in peace with Mikasa they'd just spend their life running and war would simply continue. (And she'd probably get hunted down after his death)
• When given the opportunity the world at large would literally kill a little girl with dogs for no reason than to combat boredom. (The murder of Eren's aunt. They are no saints given this and the peace conference.)

I was under the impression given what he saw he was REALLY jaded and figured the rest of the world brought it all on themselves so he focused on using the path to come up with an outcome to make sure as many of the people he cared about would come out ok. (Since he figured he might as well be selfish, everybody else is. It probably didn't help that at some point his dad stole his life from him and was using him as a tool by turning him into a titan. Yes I know he used the path to push Grisha into doing it but Grisha could have stopped it.)

He can't see anything past his death (another reason why AOT is quite nonsensical).

 

[pel1300]

I quit this show in the middle of watching it around 2018. I got tired of the pacing and the characters yelling all the time. Looks like I didn't miss much.

 

[dave_d]

He can't see anything past his death (another reason why AOT is quite nonsensical).

That's true. Still with the power of the path he can simulate numerous scenarios and see how people react which I'd think would give him a better understand of behavior than pretty much anybody. (As you say up to his death.) I figured from this he extrapolated what would happen afterward which is how he came up with his plan of making sure nobody can do anything in the immediate aftermath while simultaneously using his friends as "patsies" to make them the heroes of the story. (Since the old fairy tale of letting everybody think they beat the titans/Eldians left the rest of the world thinking they could push the Eldians around with no consequences.)

 

[BlackTron]

Everyone who kept insisting to keep up with this show and Game of Thrones seemed to have mini life catastrophes when they ended. I tried both and noped out early to let the series finish first. No, I don't feel smart, just disappointed.

 

[Bojji]

Everyone who kept insisting to keep up with this show and Game of Thrones seemed to have mini life catastrophes when they ended. I tried both and noped out early to let the series finish first. No, I don't feel smart, just disappointed.

GoT was a collosal fuck up, AoT was amazing.

I started GoT in 2010 and AoT in 2013.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I don't give a shit, there's always a villain in whatever imaginary world the authors have created and here it's called Ymir, she has a choice cause she acted selfishly out of her own interest cause she didn't belong in that timeline, it's not her world anymore.

 

[thefool]

That's true. Still with the power of the path he can simulate numerous scenarios and see how people react which I'd think would give him a better understand of behavior than pretty much anybody. (As you say up to his death.) I figured from this he extrapolated what would happen afterward which is how he came up with his plan of making sure nobody can do anything in the immediate aftermath while simultaneously using his friends as "patsies" to make them the heroes of the story. (Since the old fairy tale of letting everybody think they beat the titans/Eldians left the rest of the world thinking they could push the Eldians around with no consequences.)

If we go strictly by the manga, AOT is fundamentally the story of Ymir using Eren as a vessel to execute her long-sought plan. He has no agency nor he sees anything but the future that is happening which he can't break. But it gets fairly dumb when he starts talking about 80% and wanting to save his friends yada yada implying some kind of free will (which ties with the inconsistency Isayama mentions). I think the original ending would be what most expected, he would kill everyone (trapped in that path) but he felt no remorse about it, that's what he wanted and Ymir took advantage of his lust for revenge (or created it or whatever, this show is very circular lol).

 

[Coconutt]

I remember reading the Manga and being so pissed off at the ending. They made my boy weiner into a sniveling simp wanting to get a wif of Historias letter. I didn't get to the end of the anime until this month.

 

[BloodFree]

GoT was a collosal fuck up, AoT was amazing.

I started GoT in 2010 and AoT in 2013.

Wait a minute, this perspective triggers me greatly because it's inconsistent, I don't think I've seen it before. I can get someone calling both amazing or both trash, but not someone differentiating between the two.

How can someone call the GOT ending trash while calling the AOT one amazing when they both suffer from the exact same issues. Everything GOT does to be called trash, from character assassinations and inconsistencies, AOT does and it does it on steroids. AOT is actually much worse in the end cause it has more elements to juggle and fuck up than GOT, but I'd even settle for equally trash here.

Not going to get into an argument over this, I just want to read the reasoning you have (if you want to give it) out of curiosity and I'll move on after

 

[Bojji]

Wait a minute, this perspective triggers me greatly because it's inconsistent, I don't think I've seen it before. I can get someone calling both amazing or both trash, but not someone differentiating between the two.

How can someone call the GOT ending trash while calling the AOT one amazing when they both suffer from the exact same issues. Everything GOT does to be called trash, from character assassinations and inconsistencies, AOT does and it does it on steroids. AOT is actually much worse in the end cause it has more elements to juggle and fuck up than GOT, but I'd even settle for equally trash here.

Not going to get into an argument over this, I just want to read the reasoning you have (if you want to give them) out of curiosity and I'll move on after

AoT is maintaining high quality over the series, in most aspects. I personally, I don't mind the ending at all - I only saw anime version of it and thought that is was fitting.
But I consumed it a bit differently than most people, I watched S1 in 2013, then started manga and ended it up around ~basement (up to date). Years later anime catched up to manga so I consumed all the story after Marley (read this in manga first after long break) using anime. Anime has great music, art and animation in all seasons, unlike many other series that jumped off the cliff.

Now GOT... series falls apart after Season 5, S6 is still watchable but 7 and 8 are pure trash - fanfiction level of storytelling. Biggest disappointment of XXI century.

 

[BloodFree]

AoT is maintaining high quality over the series, in most aspects. I personally, I don't mind the ending at all - I only saw anime version of it and thought that is was fitting.
But I consumed it a bit differently than most people, I watched S1 in 2013, then started manga and ended it up around ~basement (up to date). Years later anime catched up to manga so I consumed all the story after Marley (read this in manga first after long break) using anime. Anime has great music, art and animation in all seasons, unlike many other series that jumped off the cliff.

Now GOT... series falls apart after Season 5, S6 is still watchable but 7 and 8 are pure trash - fanfiction level of storytelling. Biggest disappointment of XXI century.

Oh, so you mean the shows as a whole rather than the endings. I mean I guess I can see that to some extent, GoT was bad for more of its runtime when compared with AoT. I at least fully agree with the part of the post describing GoT. I don't fully agree with saying that AoT is great in animation throught the series, S4 drops animation quality quite a bit compared to S1-3. 3D jarring titans, skimps in some fights quite badly (Levy vs Beast for example) and skimps from properly adapting some scenes. And of course S1 at the time of airing had some literally unfinished animation. Far from the worst issues I've seen, but I wouldn't describe it consistently great.

I see though, that you are criticizing the writing of GoT and not praising its production values which I think, if nothing else are consistently good, especially for a TV show, but you're praising the AoT production values which I don't think are as consistent and don't really mention the writing at all. There seems to be a bit of a bias there, is all I'm saying.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I'll admit the ending could have been handled a lot better.

AOT ending was disappointing trash and I can't say that I've felt differently about it since then. The rest of it is just great but there are some lulls and the ending goes down fast.

Because the rest of the content is so good it pains me to say that AI could have shat out a better final act in one prompt on the free version.

I quit this show in the middle of watching it around 2018. I got tired of the pacing and the characters yelling all the time. Looks like I didn't miss much.

 

[Bojji]

Oh, so you mean the shows as a whole rather than the endings. I mean I guess I can see that to some extent, GoT was bad for more of its runtime when compared with AoT. I at least fully agree with the part of the post describing GoT. I don't fully agree with saying that AoT is great in animation throught the series, S4 drops animation quality quite a bit compared to S1-3. 3D jarring titans, skimps in some fights quite badly (Levy vs Beast for example) and skimps from properly adapting some scenes. And of course S1 at the time of airing had some literally unfinished animation. Far from the worst issues I've seen, but I wouldn't describe it consistently great.

I see though, that you are criticizing the writing of GoT and not praising its production values which I think, if nothing else are consistently good, especially for a TV show, but you're praising the AoT production values which I don't think are as consistent and don't really mention the writing at all. There seems to be a bit of a bias there, is all I'm saying.

Quality of CGI, sets, dialogues and how well actors played their roles - also dropped a lot in the last two seasons of GOT.

AoT was way more consistent. Compare it to something like seven deadly sins or one punch man and you will agree that even the worst animation in AoT is like Akira vs. those shows hahaha.

 

[Fbh]

Yeah the ending sucked.
From important characters seemingly getting sidelined or ignored, to an idiotic final fight that made no sense, to the origin of the titans barely being explained, to him not committing to Eren truly being a villain and that hilariously bad panel someone posted above. It was all very underwhelming.

To be honest I find most anime/manga have shitty endings, don't know why. From more generic shonen stuff like Naruto down to more serious stuff like Pluto, they often falter at the end. It's weirdly similar with JRPGs too, the story usually goes to shit towards the end.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I haven't watched another anime since it finished and it was the last true great anime show for me. Not without flaws, but it was an epic and took me back to the kind of shows I'd watch in the 90s and 00s. Felt like a true journey and I wish there was something else that was comparable.

If I'm missing another great that's aired in recent years then please do share.

 

[Bojji]

Yeah the ending sucked.
From important characters seemingly getting sidelined or ignored, to an idiotic final fight that made no sense, to the origin of the titans barely being explained to him not committing to Eren truly being a villain and that hilariously bad panel someone posted above. It was all very underwhelmin.

To be honest I find most anime/manga have shitty endings, don't know why. From more generic shonen stuff like Naruto down to more serious stuff like Pluto, they often falter at the end. It's weirdly similar with JRPGs too, the story usually goes to shit towards the end.

Most of the stories can't land a good ending (no matter the media type), I guess it's hard to satisfy fans and they try to make the least controversial choices most of the time (but sometime they are dumb as fuck - mass effect 3 comes to mind).

But when authors manage to make a great ending, this shit stay with consumers... for example SOMA has incredible ending (in my opinion).

 

[dave_d]

If we go strictly by the manga, AOT is fundamentally the story of Ymir using Eren as a vessel to execute her long-sought plan. He has no agency nor he sees anything but the future that is happening which he can't break. But it gets fairly dumb when he starts talking about 80% and wanting to save his friends yada yada implying some kind of free will (which ties with the inconsistency Isayama mentions). I think the original ending would be what most expected, he would kill everyone (trapped in that path) but he felt no remorse about it, that's what he wanted and Ymir took advantage of his lust for revenge (or created it or whatever, this show is very circular lol).

Wait that's how the manga turned out? I honestly didn't know that since I watched the anime. I pretty much thought when Eren used the path to show Mikasa what their life would be like together he was showing her, and us, that the path can be used to game out alternative timelines up until his death. (Kind of like Dr Strange in Infinity Wars) Since that's what I thought was going on I figured Eren had tried numerous alternatives but pretty much opted to the one that saved as many of his friends as possible. (Since the rest of the world was given a chance when the king took the Eldians into exile as penance and the rest of the world threw away that gift by being just as terrible when they got on top. So he didn't care about giving them a second chance.)

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yeah the ending sucked.
From important characters seemingly getting sidelined or ignored, to an idiotic final fight that made no sense, to the origin of the titans barely being explained to him not committing to Eren truly being a villain and that hilariously bad panel someone posted above. It was all very underwhelmin.

To be honest I find most anime/manga have shitty endings, don't know why. From more generic shonen stuff like Naruto down to more serious stuff like Pluto, they often falter at the end. It's weirdly similar with JRPGs too, the story usually goes to shit towards the end.

They feel tied to a story beat's natural conclusion like they are afraid to not teach a theme.

That's why TLOU1's ending is so good. It goes against traditional morality and it's unafraid in doing so.

I'm hesitant to say what the correct ending is, but if you listen to the commentary he is saying he had affection for Erin and couldn't make him full evil(so did we, we never chose that for him and were kinda pissed we had to sacrifice him so the show could have a theme). He never even considers making him a war hero and the good guy which is what he is the entire rest of the anime.

I think it's clear he felt societal pressure to show that power corrupts and to teach the "right" lessons which is just not the right ending for the show.

Basically trying to get too artsy fartsy and thinking you are important not just as an entertainment thing but as an educator to society's youth. That's how you make shitty tv. What's good for the show is no longer important when you are thinking what is good for society. Never do that. Never think you can't be replaced or are special. That is what causes you to force yourself to fuck up your awesome art for the greater good. Instead do what feels right. Like TLOU part 1 did. You wanna know the best part about my AOT headcanon ending? It's unafraid.

 

[BloodFree]

Quality of CGI, sets, dialogues and how well actors played their roles - also dropped a lot in the last two seasons of GOT.

AoT was way more consistent. Compare it to something like seven deadly sins or one punch man and you will agree that even the worst animation in AoT is like Akira vs. those shows hahaha.

Dunno if I agree with that. CGI was pretty consistent between the seasons (later ones being more intensive in it actually), the high budget was clearly visible and the actors were all also pretty consistent in their acting ability across the seasons. Sure the dialogue went downhill and maybe that made it seem like actors were worse but that's a writing issue not an acting issue. Again, in a comparison in AoT, I've never once felt anything jarring visually in GoT that took me out of it with some extremely minor exceptions, but I can't say the same for AoT. For all its faults, GoT never aired with unfinished visual effects or straight up unfinished scenes. AoT's lows are lower than GoT's in that regard.

Again, it feels like you're a bit biased and using everything in your power to prop up AoT (maybe unfairly so) while not extending the same considerations to GoT which you're mostly trying to tear down.

For the second part, I agree with those comparisons, but the original comparison was between GoT and AoT not AoT and OPM, so again you're trying to prop up AoT with a favourable unrelated comparison.

Anyway, I said I wouldn't argue so I'll leave it at this haha

 

[Bojji]

Dunno if I agree with that. CGI was pretty consistent between the seasons (later ones being more intensive in it actually), the high budget was clearly visible and the actors were all also pretty consistent in their acting ability across the seasons. Sure the dialogue went downhill and maybe that made it seem like actors were worse but that's a writing issue not an acting issue. Again, in a comparison in AoT, I've never once felt anything jarring visually in GoT that took me out of it with some extremely minor exceptions, but I can't say the same for AoT. For all its faults, GoT never aired with unfinished visual effects or straight up unfinished scenes. AoT's lows are lower than GoT's in that regard.

Again, it feels like you're a bit biased and using everything in your power to prop up AoT (maybe unfairly so) while not extending the same considerations to GoT which you're mostly trying to tear down.

For the second part, I agree with those comparisons, but the original comparison was between GoT and AoT not AoT and OPM, so again you're trying to prop up AoT with a favourable unrelated comparison.

Anyway, I said I wouldn't argue so I'll leave it at this haha

I really like AoT so I really don't have many negative things to say about it, I even liked the ending (but it seems that many people hated it).

I LOVED GOT, but last few seasons plunged it into "fuck this shit" territory for me. At least spin offs are ok (KotSK is very good).

To me those shows are not even comparable...

 

[thefool]

Wait that's how the manga turned out? I honestly didn't know that since I watched the anime. I pretty much thought when Eren used the path to show Mikasa what their life would be like together he was showing her, and us, that the path can be used to game out alternative timelines up until his death. (Kind of like Dr Strange in Infinity Wars) Since that's what I thought was going on I figured Eren had tried numerous alternatives but pretty much opted to the one that saved as many of his friends as possible. (Since the rest of the world was given a chance when the king took the Eldians into exile as penance and the rest of the world threw away that gift by being just as terrible when they got on top. So he didn't care about giving them a second chance.)

Yeah, there is only one future in AOT, he is in fact seeing memories of events that happened, he eventually stops trying because the outcome is always the same (closed loop timeline). The anime if i recall has some weird lines that could lead to that interpretation. What you are describing happens in a popular sandy franchise.

 

[March Climber]

The perception of Eren's moral compass was never the issue for me, it was the time travel bullshit.

It just sucked all of the air out of the room and went too far into sci-fi. It reminded me of Big-O's ending which also felt like a wet fart in it's own way.

Endings are difficult like some are saying in this thread, but one way to alleviate that is to keep things consistent and 'grounded' within the setting's own world.

He could have found another way to have Eren enact this genocidal plan as a villain without giving him a big boost of time travel shenanigans, time loops, and prewritten destinies.

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Like make him smarter instead, maybe have him find a way to convince those who were trying to destroy his country to instead break-off into a third titan-only faction, using his brother as a bridge, and then they use that power to try and crush all other nations into dust.

Then after a long fought battle of Titans vs the World, Levi, the fan favorite, would be the one to finally put him down in the end, fulfilling young Eren's 'all titans must die' plan that he originally set out to achieve.

That would still fulfill the 'twist' that he wants while doing it without all of the involved time-stuff I listed above, and it would keep side characters important and relevant while still being conflicted.

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The last season of AoT was just a mess and I'm glad I binged this show instead of waiting week to week, because if I had did that, I would have most likely dropped it from feeling like I was being trolled.

 

[BloodFree]

I really like AoT so I really don't have many negative things to say about it, I even liked the ending (but it seems that many people hated it).

I LOVED GOT, but last few seasons plunged it into "fuck this shit" territory for me. At least spin offs are ok (KotSK is very good).

To me those shows are not even comparable...

I also really like AoT overall still, would probably still put it into my top 5, but I think it is important to look at things objectively and admit faults when they are apparent. If anything being a fan, makes me more critical of it because I was invested so heavily. The awful ending definitely retroactively ruined what could've been a top 1/2 for me so there's that. GoT is similar for me, though the decline in writing was more gradual there.

As for the ending and why people don't like it, I think should be apparent, again, if you analize and go into it objectively or a bit more ruthlessly without emotions interfering. Characters got changed or retconned (even admitted by the author here) and there are numerous plot holes or inconsistencies. At face value it seems alright, but the more you start digging the less logical sense it makes. I think the backlash the ending got was magnified by the show's previous quality. It's harder or more jarring to have a show that was 9/10 previously get a 3/10 ending than a 7/10 show getting a 4/10 ending.

If you're interested here's a google doc that breaks it down. I remember bookmarking it at the time from one of the discussions on reddit about it and I still have it apparently. I don't remember if it covers every issue, but I remember agreeing with it 100% at the time I read it, so if you (or others that are interested) have never looked into any of the criticisms of the ending, it's a good read

 

[EviLore]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I dont quite remember. The anime became too complicated to follow when they were talking about the bloodline of the characters/titans, and all the mindfuck at the end with Eren´s timeline.


But the ending was correct, right? Eren did the thing with the colossal Titans because he was chasing "freedom", and Mikasa cut off his head to stop him.

 

[Mistake]

I thought the ending was just alright, but it would have been a real banger if it was a full on tragedy