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[DF] Pragmata - PS5/PS5 Pro/Xbox Series X|S Tech Review - Another Big PS5 Pro Success

when a system is about 1k$, yeah i expect more of it than this garbage. regardless of what upscaler help it can get. what the actual fuck at 800p ??




Sure. the upscaler is good. Thank god for that. imagine if it was PSSR1 or FSR 1/3 . it will be a clown show.

the upscaler is what saved the game. but this game was in development for 6 years way before anything about PSSR. just for that to come in last minute to save the day doesn't deny the fact that864p is pretty much a PS4 internal resolution.

fuck wasnt the PS3 said to be 1080p but did 720p upscaled ?

not talking about power difference here of course. the game is still amazing. but this low resoution is pathatic. imagine how good it would even look if it was at least a full HD.

If the 864p output is "vastly improved" over base console's 1080p internal resolution then who gives a shit bro? Would you rather play the 1080p version just because it is 1080p?

This is about paying 1k and if it wasnt for PSSR2, y

It is $900 and part of that is the ML components that allow PSSR to do its work. Otherwise, back to old shitty FSR.
 
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This is about paying 1k and if it wasnt for PSSR2, your image quality look like shit due to the low resolution.

anyway. not gonna turn this thread to graphics war. i just think this at 860p is a bad look and choice by devs.
PSSR is a big part of what you are paying for when buying a pro. An argument that it would hypothetically look bad if it wasn't for PSSR is pointless when there is PSSR and it doesn't look bad, no?
 
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People still joking about low base resolution in 2026? really? In the age of DLSS4 and PSSR2. Who the fuck cares whats the internal resolution is as long as the final image on your monitor/tv looks crisp and clean
 
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You are welcome:
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or with the power of the Pro's RT capabilities

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I always treat upscaled resolution as real, since the result is often better than native. I don't care about native resolution at all—what matters is what my eyes see. I think 1080p upscaled isn't that great, but 1440p, and even more so 4K, looks fantastic.

Since I play on a 4K display, even 1080p internal resolution look amazing. And honestly, I just call it 4K.

FSR1 sucks tbh, sometimes I just prefer the raw look. Don't know why its even a thing.
 
Base resolution could be 360p for all I care, but if it looks great, who gives a shit? It's 2026, people. ML-based Upscalers are one of the greatest advancements for gaming IQ we've seen in a long time.
 
Base resolution could be 360p for all I care, but if it looks great, who gives a shit? It's 2026, people. ML-based Upscalers are one of the greatest advancements for gaming IQ we've seen in a long time.
True, I played Alan Wake 2 with path tracing on at 4K, upscaled from 720p (Ultra Performance), and it looked a lot better than the PS5 Pro version.
 
I've only pointed out the improvement of the XSX version compared to the demo (also in the case of the PS5 Pro, but that part doesn't bother you 🙇)..... A simple post that, under normal circumstances, shouldn't provoke any reaction but it seems that for him and you?, that's something worth pointing out and censoring. I wonder why ... but it's clear that Neogaf is what it is 🤔🤷

Oh, XSX won against the demo. Bravo for Xbox! :/
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But nevertheless, you are desperately trying in a sneaky way find a win for Xbox, even if it is against the demo. :/



Given that the hardware difference was never going to result in shocking differences... In the last year and a half or two, I struggle to recall any major AAA games where the Xbox Series X version performed bad VS PS5, and yet there are a significant number of major AAA games and specials IPs (from different studios and using different graphics engines) that very clearly run better on XSX than on the PS5.

We're in the sixth year of this generation, with the XSX not in the best position to be the platform that studios invest the most resources and attention in optimizing, and yet we're seeing this situation now.
It's at least interesting and reveals some things about the capabilities of that console... I think.

Winners and losers? That discussion and approach is for others, not for me 🤷.

It is so easy, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Need to check that thread if you glowed about PS5 version then. :/

EDIT : of course you haven't. Not a single post there.
 
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Oh, XSX won against the demo. Bravo for Xbox! :/
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But nevertheless, you are desperately trying in a sneaky way find a win for Xbox, even if it is against the demo. :/

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He's saying retail runs better than the demo.

Your reply "desperately trying in a sneaky way find a win for Xbox"

The level of discourse has taken a sharp turn towards the stupid.
 
That has performance cost, FSR1 is almost free.

The performance mode is (seemingly) locked to 60, could have used FSR2/3 there IMO. Even a few drops would be acceptable, would have fit very nicely within VRR.

Or hell, why not just stick to their own tried and tested checker-board solution they've always used with RE engine games. Not sure why the latest crop of RE engine games have dropped it in favor of FSR1.

Some weird decision making on Capcom's part here.
 
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Oh, XSX won against the demo. Bravo for Xbox! :/
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But nevertheless, you are desperately trying in a sneaky way find a win for Xbox, even if it is against the demo. :/
You're as predictable as Karin 😂😂


It is so easy, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Need to check that thread if you glowed about PS5 version then. :/

EDIT : of course you haven't. Not a single post there.
Is KGD 2 XSX version bad for any reason?? (Specially after the latest patchs)🙇

If you think that, then I don't know what you'll think for cases of games with Up to 15+ fps and/or extra graphics details advantage for the XSX versus the PS5, like we've seen lately at a time when people like you were telling here that the versions and ports to XSX would be a disaster compared to PS5, or even that there wouldn't be any versions or ports to XSX for many of those games because the studios and developers would have zero interest in developing for XS, much less in dedicating resources and time to optimization.🤷

PS. It's as simple as checking the performance of each console over the last two years in AAA and other interesting titles .... which I'm sure you had to look through until you found KCD2. 🤷😂
 
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If the 864p output is "vastly improved" over base console's 1080p internal resolution then who gives a shit bro? Would you rather play the 1080p version just because it is 1080p?



It is $900 and part of that is the ML components that allow PSSR to do its work. Otherwise, back to old shitty FSR.
Theres no resolution thats saves a trash FSR1
 
FSR is just a spatial upscaler + sharpening filter.

FSR1 is, yes.

FSR2+ are Temporal upscalers.

Crimson Desert is a good example of the increase in IQ with the same base resolution once the developers implemented the FSR3 up-scale option on the console versions. Yes, there is a performance cost, but in this game's case it would have still very likely kept it within the 'acceptable' VRR window.
 
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FSR1 is, yes.

FSR2+ are Temporal upscalers.

Crimson Desert is a good example of the increase in IQ with the same base resolution once the developers implemented the FSR3 up-scale option on the console versions. Yes, there is a performance cost, but in this game's case it would have still very likely kept it within the 'acceptable' VRR window.
Yeah I meant FSR1, which is why the overhead is low, but the results are barely better than the underlying internal resolution.
 
What??. For starters, he hasn't even discussed anything; his usual intervention is to point out and show his frustration every time someone praises something about the hardware or the results of an Xbox. All DF thread are the same.


I've only pointed out the improvement of the XSX version compared to the demo (also in the case of the PS5 Pro, but that part doesn't bother you 🙇)..... A simple post that, under normal circumstances, shouldn't provoke any reaction but it seems that for him and you?, that's something worth pointing out and censoring. I wonder why ... but it's clear that Neogaf is what it is 🤔🤷


Given that the hardware difference was never going to result in shocking differences... In the last year and a half or two, I struggle to recall any major AAA games where the Xbox Series X version performed bad VS PS5, and yet there are a significant number of major AAA games and specials IPs (from different studios and using different graphics engines) that very clearly run better on XSX than on the PS5.

We're in the sixth year of this generation, with the XSX not in the best position to be the platform that studios invest the most resources and attention in optimizing, and yet we're seeing this situation now.
It's at least interesting and reveals some things about the capabilities of that console... I think.

Winners and losers? That discussion and approach is for others, not for me 🤷.
Listen dude you are literally obsessed to redeem your precious series X hardware and as always you don't miss the chance to point out even something DF barely mention. You are pathological with this console war bullshit. I just pointed out how annoying and pathetic is this obsessing behaviour. You won't find a single post by me who desperately search to prove how "magnificent" is the ps5 or ps5 pro as you did repeatedly with the xbox series and it's more annoying when you trying it subtly.
 
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Listen dude you are literally obsessed to redeem your precious series X hardware and as always you don't miss the chance to point out even something DF barely mention. You are pathological with this console war bullshit. I just pointed out how annoying and pathetic is this obsessing behaviour. You won't find a single post by me who desperately search to prove how "magnificent" is the ps5 or ps5 pro as you did repeatedly with the xbox series and it's more annoying when you trying it subtly.

I repeat, the only one with a mental pathologie here is you. You're pathetically predictable.

A simple post pointing out a truth and a fact: "PS5 Pro and XSX have improved compared to the demo," and you wasted no time activating your desperate, fanatical fanboy mode.

You speak as if it were a crime for someone to have a positive opinion of the hardware they own (unless it's a PS, of course 🤣🤣) and as if people had to ask permission here from the four thin-skinned PS fanboys to do so... It's absolutely ridiculous that we've reached this point. You're the only one making a fool of yourself and behaving exactly the way you criticize.

You're being a real pain. Stop derailing the thread and move on. If you don't like reading opinions that don't align with your preferences, not even the simplest appreciation 🙃, (my advice) find another site or learn to accept. You're nobody here to point out what anyone else might say, and yet here you are in every DF thread acting like some kind of authority or censor, as if you were in a position to give lessons on anything 🤣🤣🤣

Again, MOVE ON and not stray from the topic!!!.
 
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Besides denoiser issues in couple areas where game smears, which was same issue in requiem, it looks really good. Im like 15h in already on ps5 pro

TVexperto TVexperto do you game on pc? Do you know what dlss is?
 
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when a system is about 1k$, yeah i expect more of it than this garbage. regardless of what upscaler help it can get. what the actual fuck at 800p ??
Brother, if you had pc for 1k and you wanted play pragmata at decent settings, you would as everyone else use dlss. Unless people are rocking 4090/5080/5090 you would be hard pressed bot to use dlss for good fps boost while improving output res.
 
The Pro resolution is pretty ridiculous. On my 4070ti at 1080p max settings (which the Pro probably isnt even using) and normal RT, my gpu usage hangs around 40%. If i went to 864p it would probably be using around 30% usage.
The game is surprisingly easy to run with normal RT and max settings.
 
The Pro resolution is pretty ridiculous. On my 4070ti at 1080p max settings (which the Pro probably isnt even using) and normal RT, my gpu usage hangs around 40%. If i went to 864p it would probably be using around 30% usage.
The game is surprisingly easy to run with normal RT and max settings.

864p is just above 'ultra performance' DLSS without using superior, generation-ahead Nvidia upscaling technology when outputting at 4K.
 
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The Pro resolution is pretty ridiculous. On my 4070ti at 1080p max settings (which the Pro probably isnt even using) and normal RT, my gpu usage hangs around 40%. If i went to 864p it would probably be using around 30% usage.
The game is surprisingly easy to run with normal RT and max settings.
>4070 ti
>1080p

Hahahahahhaaa
 
just watched the video, holy shit the pro is such an upgrade in image quality, wtf is that ps5 base version with so much aliasing, is it even using TAA at all? TERRIBLE
 
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just watched the video, holy shit the pro is such an upgrade in image quality, wtf is that ps5 base version with so much aliasing, is it even using TAA at all? TERRIBLE

Yeah, 100%. Thankfully next gen everything will have proper upscaling because the base consoles this gen are struggling big time now.
 
Wait? I thought you liked 1080p more than 864p? Im getting mixed signals here.

Im not sure what youve got mixed on. I said, like others that 864p for a pro console is not great. You seemed to take issue with that.

I deffo like 1080p more than 864p. I mean what does my game run at if I am running at DLSS 4k Quality? I would take that all day, thanks.

Edit: oh 1440p

If I drop to performance I will be at 1080P so yeah, ill take that over anything less.
 
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$800 dollar console, around 800p..every dollar is accounted for..the extra 64p makes you feel like a real pro

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$800 dollar console, around 800p..every dollar is accounted for..the extra 64p makes you feel like a real pro

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For years I've assumed there are tons of people on video game forums who don't actually play video games, and you're definitely one of them.

In other words, we're not paying attention to the final image quality, which is excellent on PlayStation 5 Pro, but instead analyzing the internal resolution.

I imagine many gamers aren't paying attention to the game's details, story, or gameplay, but are instead constantly thinking about the fact that they're playing at an internal resolution of 860p.

It's hilarious.
 
PS5 Pro taking full advantage of the new version of PSSR VS demo version. Great IQ results despite starting from 840p resolution.

XSX has definitely been another version that has improved compared to the demo. Back then, it even fell short of the PS5 in framerate, and now it even surpasses it.
The shadow issue could very well be a bug on both PS5 and XSX. In fact, in the demo, the shadows on XSX were corrupted if you previously played XSS with the same profile.

Then FSR1.....
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And XSS... Capcom certainly doesn't have much love for it. At least in this case, the 60fps is achieved phenomenally well.
FSR 3.1 would had been a big help for sure.
 
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