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Mengy said:
I agree. Sadly I don't think they will, not in time at least.
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1.2+ million in sales. Lots of player drop off.

S2 will get a fair shake by a lot of people. There's a ton of eyeballs on this game. S2 is almost a relaunch, especially when Ziegler releases another 10 minute video discussing S1 and their goals for S2.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
1.2+ million in sales. Lots of player drop off.

S2 will get a fair shake by a lot of people. There's a ton of eyeballs on this game. S2 is almost a relaunch, especially when Ziegler releases another 10 minute video discussing S1 and their goals for S2.
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Not if S2 doesn't come with some huge changes, like massive course corrections to fundamentally change what the game is. I don't think there are enough people still interested without that, too many have dropped off because of what the game actually is, and more of the same content likely won't do enough to help.
 
Mengy said:
Not if S2 doesn't come with some huge changes, like massive course corrections to fundamentally change what the game is. I don't think there are enough people still interested without that, too many have dropped off because of what the game actually is, and more of the same content likely won't do enough to help.
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It definitely doesn't need to "fundamentally change what the game is". Extraction is the hottest genre in gaming right now.

It needs to go from a flawed Extraction Shooter to a noticably better Extraction Shooter. Rome wasn't built in a 3 month period.
 
I think adding LLMs and AI into the game would help it a lot. One complaint I see is no story in the game have to go find it online. Well NPCs with LLM could help with that.

Also add a roaming safe space on each map that requires a quest to activate. Make it hard to bring down and behind PvE but also make it doable by solos and usable by everyone once it lands. I got an idea. You know how big ships(like the Titanic) have life rafts that are big things. Well Marathon has life rafts and you can call them down to the planet. That's the safe space! Dynamic section of the map! Make it happen.

Add SBMM and juice the numbers. The unpredictability isn't worth the bleed.
 
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The drop from last Monday around this time seems pretty brutal. Only 10.6k now and while not great last week I think it was in the 15k range.

It's in a death spiral except for U.S. peak hours where it's on life support.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
1.2+ million in sales. Lots of player drop off.

S2 will get a fair shake by a lot of people. There's a ton of eyeballs on this game. S2 is almost a relaunch, especially when Ziegler releases another 10 minute video discussing S1 and their goals for S2.
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Is Marathon going to stop being fugly in S2?
 
11 am hour tracking -15% vs last Wednesday which is the closest regular weekday compared to yesterday as their peaks were almost the same.

So tracking to roughly 21.5k peak tonight. If that happens the low could hit 6k.

Using last Monday to compare might be off as that was easter Monday holiday. And comparing morning hours to weekend mornings is weird too since gamers play all night.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
Extraction is the hottest genre in gaming right now.
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Lying Season 4 GIF by Curb Your Enthusiasm


Daily low/high CCU for multiple genres.

CS-Like:
Counter-Strike 2 - 650k-1.5m
Valorant - ~500k daily (Estimated, several million DAU)
Counter Strike Source - ~30k
Counter Strike - 5k-13k

Battle Royale:
Fortnite - ~575k-1.05m (Fortnite.gg)
PUBG - 120k-950k
Apex - 70k-275k

MOBA:
League of Legends - ~450k (Estimated, several million DAU)
Dota 2 - 250k-600k
Deadlocked - 35k-75k

Survival / Crafting:
Rust - ~60k-160k
ARC - 20k-35k
Day Z - ~23k-60k

Other Popular Games:
Rainbow Six Siege - ~35k-90k
Team Fortress 2 - ~40k-60k
Helldivers 2 - ~20k-45k
Call of Duty - ~18k-45k
Battlefield 6 - ~15k-45k

Extraction Shooters:
Arc Raiders - 40k-130k
Hunt Showdown - 10k-35k
Marathon - 10k-25k
Tarkov - 7k-20k
 
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Kronark said:
Lying Season 4 GIF by Curb Your Enthusiasm


Daily low/high CCU for multiple genres.

CS-Like:
Counter-Strike 2 - 650k-1.5m
Valorant - ~500k daily (Estimated, several million DAU)
Counter Strike Source - ~30k
Counter Strike - 5k-13k

Battle Royale:
Fortnite - ~575k-1.05m (Fortnite.gg)
PUBG - 120k-950k
Apex - 70k-275k

MOBA:
League of Legends - ~450k (Estimated, several million DAU)
Dota 2 - 250k-600k
Deadlocked - 35k-75k

Extraction Shooters:
Arc Raiders - 40k-130k
Hunt Showdown - 10k-35k
Marathon - 10k-25k
Tarkov - 7k-20k
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Nobody's talking about CS likes or MOBAs. The frenzy has been about Extraction for the last year. It's taken over the conversation.
 
cormack12 said:
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The current "core audience for Marathon" is too small for the 250+ Million Dev cost and to support the continued bloated overhead to keep Bungie going.

Better embrace the Hello Kitty Adventures if it brings in the casual and dad bucks.

Look on the brightside, the color scheme as it now has enough neon pinks and purple that it ain't that far off.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
Nobody's talking about CS likes or MOBAs. The frenzy has been about Extraction for the last year. It's taken over the conversation.
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Yeah, but Marathon has taken over the conversation because of how fast and far the CCU's have fallen in one month, because of how badly it is performing with its players. That's not a positive thing.
 
Kronark said:
The conversation around Marathon is hot, but it's not good.
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To me, it feels like people are starting to pay attention to the genre. Don't think anyone really cares about what CS clones will do. It's also still foolish to try to turn Marathon into an entirely different experience.

It just needs to make steady improvements like Hunt Showdown and Tarkov did. There room to grow.
 
Mengy said:
Yeah, but Marathon has taken over the conversation because of how fast and far the CCU's have fallen in one month, because of how badly it is performing with its players. That's not a positive thing.
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People are interested. Marathon still has the juice. I said this once before but I'll say it again...

Everyone here will be very interested in S2 adjustments.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Right, but Extraction is the hot genre of today. ARC Raiders and Marathon have dominated the discussion.
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Dunno about arc raiders, but we talk about marathon in context of industry juggernauts aka bungie/sony failing despite all the mountains of cash they burned on that shit.

Its case similar to concord- ridiculous amount of devtime/budget got wasted on lowquality final niche product, and yes marathon isnt as bad as concord, but its a case of yeh, the guy isnt 4feet tall, he is 5feet tall instead, still tiny as fuck.

If u think about it sony spent 400m usd on concord, on marathon tho stey spent similar amount + well over 3b usd wasted on bungie aquisition on top of that shit so actual loss is even greater :messenger_smiling_hearts:

By this point i am not even sure if marathon wont be put into a coffin(skeleton crew+0 meaningful content upgrades) before sony's next gaas aka 600lbs horizon life launches :unsure:
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
To me, it feels like people are starting to pay attention to the genre. Don't think anyone really cares about what CS clones will do. It's also still foolish to try to turn Marathon into an entirely different experience.

It just needs to make steady improvements like Hunt Showdown and Tarkov did. There room to grow.
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Hunt and Tarkov are alive with sustainable communities but they are far from the hottest things in multiplayer gaming. They exist in a niche and I don't see either surging anytime soon. I'd even argue Marathon could be ok at a size of 10k-25k players if this was any company other than Bungie. They just operate at way too high a cost margin and make changes too slowly to sustain that player size.

Arc Raiders is the only positive thing happening in the extraction genre right now and if there's anything that will keep extraction shooters going as a genre it's that game. People also need to understand that Embark just did a really good job designing it though. It's not just a formula you can replicate for instant success like how mobas and battle royales went crazy in the market.
 
I have two questions to ask:

1. Is this games peak going to fall below 20k this week before cyro?

And more importantly

2. Given that Destiny 2 is more popular on consoles than PC, can we assume that both of these games are now relatively at the same level overall?
 
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Kronark said:
Hunt and Tarkov are alive with sustainable communities but they are far from the hottest things in multiplayer gaming. They exist in a niche and I don't see either surging anytime soon. I'd even argue Marathon could be ok at a size of 10k-25k players if this was any company other than Bungie. They just operate at way too high a cost margin and make changes too slowly to sustain that player size.
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The genre (not niche anymore) will continue growing on the other side of ARC Raiders. Player choice, playstyle variety, and social gameplay will take an already large genre to the moon.

Kronark said:
Arc Raiders is the only positive thing happening in the extraction genre right now and if there's anything that will keep extraction shooters going as a genre it's that game. People also need to understand that Embark just did a really good job designing it though. It's not just a formula you can replicate for instant success like how mobas and battle royales went crazy in the market.
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Disagree wholeheartedly. It really is the #OmegaGenre because it takes the best parts of early genres and forms something considerably bigger.

Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
 
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Bernardougf said:
Toxic positivity culture dont allow accountability... so they are probably blaming everyone but thenselfs and therefore dont see anything in needing of correction ....

Just a guess...
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Unfortunately for Bungie, Sony will do the correcting and that won't end well for them.
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These are the kind of people that kill games. Literal lizard brained retards who have zero second or third order thinking ability. Here is another Marathon defending rocket scientist, from that same thread, who has the intelligence of a jellyfish:



Imagine comparing Marathon to Dark Souls and saying players should just learn to "git gud". Bro is so dumb he doesn't realize why hard ass single player games work and why online games that need thousands and thousands of people playing at the same time might not work the same way.

I swear Bungie and Marathon have cultivated one of the dumbest fanbases on the planet.

Men_in_Boxes said:
The genre (not niche anymore) will continue growing on the other side of ARC Raiders. Player choice, playstyle variety, and social gameplay will take an already large genre to the moon.


Disagree wholeheartedly. It really is the #OmegaGenre because it takes the best parts of early genres and forms something considerably bigger.

Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
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That's because extraction isn't a genre, it's a game mode.
 
Div2 11.7k vs Marathon 14.1k. Getting closer.

p.s.- Div2 is on GP and PS+, along with Uplay/Connect and Epic. It easily has a higher CCU/DAU all platforms considered.
 
Danny22 said:
I have two questions to ask:

1. Is this games peak going to fall below 20k this week before cyro?

And more importantly

2. Given that Destiny 2 is more popular on consoles than PC, can we assume that both of these games are now relatively at the same level overall?
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1. Potential for going under 20k ccu peak is there but its not certain, maybe 30% chance, coz on friday it will bump itself to over 25k ccu anyways, next week tho i would say game going under 20k is almost a certainlity :messenger_ok:
 
Zacfoldor said:
I think adding LLMs and AI into the game would help it a lot. One complaint I see is no story in the game have to go find it online. Well NPCs with LLM could help with that.

Also add a roaming safe space on each map that requires a quest to activate. Make it hard to bring down and behind PvE but also make it doable by solos and usable by everyone once it lands. I got an idea. You know how big ships(like the Titanic) have life rafts that are big things. Well Marathon has life rafts and you can call them down to the planet. That's the safe space! Dynamic section of the map! Make it happen.

Add SBMM and juice the numbers. The unpredictability isn't worth the bleed.
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You ain't getting generative ai in a bungie game. They have a very left wing progressive company culture, whom for some reason, particularly in western games studios are aggressively anti ai.

Even if management see it as a possible path towards salvation, it ain't happening there any time soon.
 
RafterXL said:
Unfortunately for Bungie, Sony will do the correcting and that won't end well for them.

These are the kind of people that kill games. Literal lizard brained retards who have zero second or third order thinking ability. Here is another Marathon defending rocket scientist, from that same thread, who has the intelligence of a jellyfish:



Imagine comparing Marathon to Dark Souls and saying players should just learn to "git gud". Bro is so dumb he doesn't realize why hard ass single player games work and why online games that need thousands and thousands of people playing at the same time might not work the same way.

I swear Bungie and Marathon have cultivated one of the dumbest fanbases on the planet.


That's because extraction isn't a genre, it's a game mode.
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Yeah the fanbase "phenomenon" is really weird for this game, is like yesterday the game didnt exist and now people are already clinging to it like their life's depended on it succeeding.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
The genre (not niche anymore) will continue growing on the other side of ARC Raiders. Player choice, playstyle variety, and social gameplay will take an already large genre to the moon.


Disagree wholeheartedly. It really is the #OmegaGenre because it takes the best parts of early genres and forms something considerably bigger.

Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
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I was pretty sure all these posts were heavily doused in sarcasm…but you're showing some real dedication to the bit 🤣
 
Danny22 said:
I have two questions to ask:

1. Is this games peak going to fall below 20k this week before cyro?

And more importantly

2. Given that Destiny 2 is more popular on consoles than PC, can we assume that both of these games are now relatively at the same level overall?
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2. Getting closer every day. D2 on PC is out for Epic, Windows Store and Steam, so likely the vast majority for PC are on Steam as there's no launcher since coming off of Battle.net (so I believe). I think it's accepted that the game is more popular on console, I'm not clear by how much though. The Steam D2 vs Marathon CCU puts it at less than half, though D2 seems pretty stable, whilst Marathon is falling.

Any update for D2 has a much higher chance of bringing in more players due to its historic base who still have investment in the product. Marathon cannot rely on existing players right now it still needs to bring in a lot of new ones, and they all have the price barrier to entry to deal with.

I don't believe that Bungie would have expected Marathon to be winning against D2 across all metrics, but I'm sure they'd have hoped for it to be doing much better than this. Right now they've got two products that they need to manage to bring in more money until the next product. I'm sure they'd rather not be talking about the next product as a focus to be a strong earner, but it kinda feels like they have to be.

This is essentially the opposite issue of something like Bethesda and Skyrim, which was such a success it kinda stopped them from wanting to jump on to Elder Scrolls 6 so soon and potentially stopping the momentum. There's no momentum here for Bungie to hurt.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
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mdkirby said:
You ain't getting generative ai in a bungie game. They have a very left wing progressive company culture, whom for some reason, particularly in western games studios are aggressively anti ai.

Even if management see it as a possible path towards salvation, it ain't happening there any time soon.
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I think you're right about that and it's a shame. Someone is going to make a fortune off this in gaming and I'm starting to suspect that someone won't be in the US.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
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StreetsofBeige said:
11 pm hour tracking -15% vs last Wednesday which is the closest regular weekday compared to yesterday as their peaks were almost the same.

So tracking to roughly 21.5k peak tonight. If that happens the low could hit 6k.

Using last Monday to compare might be off as that was easter Monday holiday. And comparing morning hours to weekend mornings is weird too since gamers play all night.
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Good point about last Monday. Although in the U.S. the Monday was pretty much a normal work day and not a federal holiday, so perhaps the U.S. evening peak times that day are somewhat relevant.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Disagree wholeheartedly. It really is the #OmegaGenre because it takes the best parts of early genres and forms something considerably bigger.

Extraction can do Counter Strike.
Extraction can do Resident Evil.
Extraction can do Among Us.
Extraction can do Zelda.

Those 4 titles can not do Extraction.

Marathon does Counter Strike pretty good. It might even give you a Resident Evil vibe a bit, but it can't do Zelda or Among Us. Future Extraction games will head in this direction. It's a genre for all.
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You've been trolling for a while but this just makes it even more obvious
 
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