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Marathon |OT| A Shell of its Former Self.

The game should lock you out (24hr cycle) if you f*** up too much.

Make Rook runs and Free Kits a finite resource. Make people use up their vault.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
All players after season level 89 get 2 Free Kits and 2 Rooks every 24 hours.

Make the final push to lvl 100 mean something.
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Why's that a final push? The levelling doesn't stop at 100.

What about the push to 150? How about Bungie comes round and breaks one of your thumbs? Then that would really mean something.
 
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clarky said:
Why's that a final push? The levelling doesn't stop at 100.
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Scrap 90 - 100 and make it "After level 90". There's something interesting about making the final leg of the journey that much more difficult.

Regular season fun.
Playoffs more fun.
 
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Arsic said:
Idk what the fix is to cryo at this point other than everyone being forced to use the exact same kit. You pay 5k credits, and you all start on a level playing field.
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Ranked too. The whole point of competitive modes like Ranked in games is to have everyone equal, the only difference being the player's skill levels.
 
clarky said:
Why's that a final push? The levelling doesn't stop at 100.

What about the push to 150? How about Bungie comes round and breaks one of your thumbs? Then that would really mean something.
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You and me are not so far apart. You get it. You get what must be done.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
You and me are not so far apart. You get it. You get what must be done.
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They'll get there.

Issue number one right now is sort out the solo players experience. And im not just talking about solo's.

Make the rest of the game as fun as premade Trios and the Rook experience and they will have nothing to worry about. Right now everything else needs a ton of work.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
4 failed runs a day then you'd have to dip into your vault.
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What if you're just starting out or want to test out stuff. Subtraction of options isn't the answer. You've been obsessed about this as some sort of fix to a nonexistent issue. What large group is complaining about free kits and rooks.
 
Guardian Monkey said:
What if you're just starting out or want to test out stuff. Subtraction of options isn't the answer. You've been obsessed about this as some sort of fix to a nonexistent issue. What large group is complaining about free kits and rooks.
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Making the game more hardcore and limiting free kits would make me instantly uninstall.

There is no need to limit free kits or nerf rook.

Soaking of I just killed two teams of trios on pinwheel as rook. They left this pretty little LMG for me and I end up behind one team already in critical shape so I mow them down, plant a claymore as the others funnel in thinking they would mop up.

Thanks for all the loot buckaroos!!!
 
Guardian Monkey said:
What if you're just starting out or want to test out stuff. Subtraction of options isn't the answer. You've been obsessed about this as some sort of fix to a nonexistent issue. What large group is complaining about free kits and rooks.
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The final leg of the journey should be arduous. Would give the experience a much more layered feel.

If you want to experiment with different things, don't do it near the peak of Mt Everest
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
The final leg of the journey should be arduous. Would give the experience a much more layered feel.

If you want to experiment with different things, don't do it near the peak of Mt Everest
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The game us arduous from the off. No need to make it any more punishing.

You need to go to Cryo for the last of the faction upgrade materials. Thats the gaming equivalent of sticking your dick in a cheese grater. Painful enough, thanks.
 
I can't imagine players who jumped off fast or are considering picking it up are wishing the game would remove free kits and nerf rook.

They just want more activities to do that isn't strictly always PvP.

I think adding a RNG rogue lite mode or a firefight 10 rounds pve only mode is key. Starts you with a purple shield kit. Survive all 10 waves and you take the kit out to use in other modes.

Fleshing out solos more is also needed.

Tweaking cryo for people to stay to want to grind.

Looking at more Destiny like modes and features. Campaign would be the best but most costly both money and time wise which this game doesn't have the luxury of.

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Perhaps pedaling back to make the game an early access model while working on the above with a limited staff of 50-100 people, and allow the other Bungie team to start scoping out work on Destiny 3.

If they keep 300 people on this it'll ruin the games future and Bungies chance to make more games.

I wish I could know what rainbow six siege did to turn it around, but I feel like those issues didn't exist here and gamers now do not want this game to succeed or have a comeback story.
 
Guardian Monkey said:
Resorting to ptw is what sent me over the edge. Buy another copy if you want more play time, wtf?
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I would easily pay .99 cents for a green shield. 10 green shields for $7.99? Dave Ramsey would be offended if I passed that up.

It's time you start getting comfortable with supporting a GAAS title with the (economic) strength of 10 gamers. Bungie needs us.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
They should add a duel mechanic where you can challenge other players to a 1v1 (gulag style) and the losing player gets his game fried. I would challenge you for this disrespect so fast...
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If they ever add a paired 1 vs 1 in this sure thing. Loser stops posting in Marathon threads here.

Men_in_Boxes said:
I would easily pay .99 cents for a green shield. 10 green shields for $7.99? Dave Ramsey would be offended if I passed that up.

It's time you start getting comfortable with supporting a GAAS title with the (economic)
strength of 10 gamers. Bungie needs us.
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What no. Just stop.
 
Hopefully the new experimental queue is Cryo solo, anyone saying it can't be done hasn't played enough Cryo lol, there is literally nothing in there requiring a squad, simply change UESC spawns/difficulty for a solo player, still keep it super challenging.
 
Guardian Monkey said:
If they ever add a paired 1 vs 1 in this sure thing. Loser stops posting in Marathon threads here.



What no. Just stop.
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Idk why you engage with him. He literally is in full support of pay to win and always has been. Dude is doo doo at games and wants to throw money at the screen to offset his lack of any and all skills.
 
Shotguns legit make me not want to play this game. Just shot a rook in the back of the head w smg he had green shield turned around while I was shooting him in the face he jumped twice shotgunned me once and killed me. Fucking bullshit its so broken. Nerf the goddamn shotgun already.
 
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Up and down tonight ladies. Good games that last one especially. But we should have know when we heard shots from maintenance.....

Still on the bright side decent amount of vault space to play with tomorrow :messenger_sunglasses:
 
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clarky said:
Up and down tonight ladies. Good games that last one especially. But we should have know when we heard shots from maintenance.....

Still on the bright side decent amount of vault space to play with tomorrow :messenger_sunglasses:
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Yeah, with the bots decimating our heals we were in trouble. Good fun overall though.
 
clarky said:
Up and down tonight ladies. Good games that last one especially. But we should have know when we heard shots from maintenance.....

Still on the bright side decent amount of vault space to play with tomorrow :messenger_sunglasses:
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ViciousAgenda said:
Yeah, with the bots decimating our heals we were in trouble. Good fun overall though.
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We made our donations today after making bank last night. Today was the equalizer, tomorrow we will fill our vault back up!
 
splattered said:
Shotguns legit make me not want to play this game. Just shot a rook in the back of the head w smg he had green shield turned around while I was shooting him in the face he jumped twice shotgunned me once and killed me. Fucking bullshit its so broken. Nerf the goddamn shotgun already.
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Best practice has been to avoid getting that close to anybody. Pre-nerf knives were broken. Doubly so for rooks since they all have DB. We're you also rooking?
 
LyricalShrike said:
Best practice has been to avoid getting that close to anybody. Pre-nerf knives were broken. Doubly so for rooks since they all have DB. We're you also rooking?
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You cant stay far enough away shotguns have insane range and damage. Nope, I was running outpost w a squad of randos w no mics. we killed several runners and rooks in the building and rooftop that has the second story conveyor belts w the armory up top. My guys for some reason went to the roof again and the rook got them. I hid on the conveyor belt between the flaps of plastic and the rook eventually ran past me to the doorway to the next room where you can go up the stairs to the armory. As soon as he hit the doorway I started shooting him in the back of the head he flashed green turned around jumped twice on the conveyor belt back towards me shot me once with the shotgun and I died. I was full health and shielded up, I got several head and chest and face shots on him before he even pulled the trigger there was no reason he should have won that firefight. Broken ass game.
 
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splattered said:
You cant stay far enough away shotguns have insane range and damage. Nope, I was running outpost w a squad of randos w no mics. we killed several runners and rooks in the building and rooftop that has the second story conveyor belts w the armory up top. My guys for some reason went to the roof again and the rook got them. I hid on the conveyor belt between the flaps of plastic and the rook eventually ran past me to the doorway to the next room where you can go up the stairs to the armory. As soon as he hit the doorway I started shooting him in the back of the head he flashed green turned around jumped twice on the conveyor belt back towards me shot me once with the shotgun and I died. I was full health and shielded up, I got several head and chest and face shots on him before he even pulled the trigger there was no reason he should have won that firefight. Broken ass game.
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The bully requires 9 head shots or 11 body shots to kill a player in green shields. The WSTR only requires 1-2 shots to kill regardless of shield level but its effective range to do so is like 4 meters or less due to the spread and drop off (it was worse before the first nerf). You probably missed some shots if he was able to turn around and get to you without you killing him and you were probably a bit close if the rook could close the distance to within the gun's effective range in two jumps. I hide/reposition if theres a murder rook indoors anywhere remotely near me since they almost always have WSTR. Always carrying grenades also helps if you absolutly must initiate since you're likely to break them before firing a shot.

I think the gun itself is fine. Its an equalizer that lets lower skilled or less geared players police careless juggernauts. Its ubiquity is the issue since you can farm them with rook, buy them, and get free ones every day. Giving them to rooks who basically only run outpost, a map of tight corridors and ambush spots, amplifies the annoyance since you're always fighting them off. Rooks who are prone to ally and form duos to quads that out gear and outnumber parties which inevitably have free kits. I'd remove the WSTR from rook altogether since its toolkit is already quite powerful after being levelled up. I would also raise its price in the armory and remove the daily free ones. Let people stockpile RGs.
 
splattered said:
Shotguns legit make me not want to play this game. Just shot a rook in the back of the head w smg he had green shield turned around while I was shooting him in the face he jumped twice shotgunned me once and killed me. Fucking bullshit its so broken. Nerf the goddamn shotgun already.
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They've already nerfed the WSTR no?

Besides I like having an up close and personal weapon to be the great equalizer. Purple shield goes *poof!*
 
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clarky said:
Above a certain level there is zero reason to run a free kit.

Solo's whatever, but if you are going into outpost with randoms then you are just a liability. Any map for that matter.
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I don't fully understand the free kit mindset in trios. The game has so much loot and it offers to sell you a semi-proper kit if you don't want to bother setting up a build. Free kits should be for dicking around on solos or when running as a premade. Rook eliminates the need for free kits by filling the scav role.
 
I wonder when we'll get some insight into the seasonal aspect (ie: when the new season starts) and when (and how) the wipe will occur.
 
LyricalShrike said:
I don't fully understand the free kit mindset in trios. The game has so much loot and it offers to sell you a semi-proper kit if you don't want to bother setting up a build. Free kits should be for dicking around on solos or when running as a premade. Rook eliminates the need for free kits by filling the scav role.
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The game is designed around a premade group (or Rook). Everything else has not had a great deal of thought or work put into it. That's what's hurting the game the most.

They made very similar mistakes with Destiny. That game had the player base to carry it, this does not. Would have thought they would have learned something over the last 12 years, obviously not.
 
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clarky said:
The game is designed around a premade group (or Rook). Everything else has not had a great deal of thought or work put into it. That's what's hurting the game the most.

They made very similar mistakes with Destiny. That game had the player base to carry it, this does not. Would have thought they would have learned something over the last 12 years, obviously not.
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I believe it. Solos and duos are awful with the way that classes play off against each other. Solos is kinda bearable to do a quick quest but duos is just hellish.
 
The niche that free kits fill to me are doing priority contracts that require you to run a marathon back and forth across a map like Dire Marsh. Nothing worse than trying to do something that you need to do in one run or a contested contract only to get sandwiched between 2 other teams doing the same. Had that happen on one of the NC contracts just the other day, the one in Bio Research I think. Wiped one team and before we could gather up and what not we had another team come in that were obviously watching waiting to clean up. Grubs.
 
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I'm having way too much fun with free kits for those to be removed. We use normal lobbies, to get better gear for Cryo and Ranked. Nothing like the thrill of going into a duos with a free kit and come out with purple shields and decked weapons - just to put them in the vault and put on a new free kit 😂

That's how you get the profiteer title btw. Right now I have ~900k coins and ~370k in my vault
 
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