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[Games Radar] Xbox just revealed Gaming Copilot is coming to "current-generation consoles" later this year

Watch it be "optional" but still running somewhat in the background even if disabled.

One of the major benefits of consoles is having a low footprint OS. Why undo that with shit like this. The Xbox division is run by fucking imbeciles. Anyone expecting better after Phil are in for a shock very soon. This will be one of many stupid decisions coming to Xbox in the near future.
 
Watch it be "optional" but still running somewhat in the background even if disabled.

One of the major benefits of consoles is having a low footprint OS. Why undo that with shit like this. The Xbox division is run by fucking imbeciles. Anyone expecting better after Phil are in for a shock very soon. This will be one of many stupid decisions coming to Xbox in the near future.
It's what it does now on Win11. "Deleting" SlopPilot in apps just deletes the enduser interface to it.

You still have to go into registry and clean up a lot of keys, then pray with your fingers crossed your system doesn't start to break down. Which people have reported issues after.
 
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This reads more like a threat than an advertisement for a new feature. Instead of creating an AI to explain these horrendous games, why not just make the games more enjoyable to dive into? There is much I don't know about Slay the Spire 2, and a lot of the fun comes from discovering and trying new things.
 
Sure, they are spending billions in this crap to make it optional.
I am talking specifically about the game help function not the overall copilot integration.

What is far worse is the patent whereby the AI literally plays the game for you, but even then, so long as it's optional and any trophies cannot be gained beyond that point then I don't have a problem with that either is it helps kids get past tricky sections. Oh and so long as Devs can turn it off for their individual games.
 
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It's what it does now on Win11. "Deleting" SlopPilot in apps just deletes the enduser interface to it.

You still have to go into registry and clean up a lot of keys, then pray with your fingers crossed your system doesn't start to break down. Which people have reported issues after.
Even with LTSC I still find myself removing shit via the registry and tweaking programs.
I can't see myself ever moving to Linux, but I'd be lying if I said Windows doesn't fuck me off daily.

I can't see them ever giving us the option of a truly gaming only OS. Some forced bollocks at its core will ruin it. Bringing crap like co-pilot to Xbox consoles tells us everything we need to know.
 
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Goddammit.
I was just thinking Helix might actually be that multi purpose console/PC hybrid I could see myself buying:
The smartest thing IMO would be to create some kind of hybrid console/PC. A standardized set of hardware that can be used for gaming but also for Windows OS. Have the user boot into either the leaner specialized console OS or the regular Windows PC OS on startup and give it mouse and keyboard support on both.

I'd buy that day 1.
However, the obsession with incorporating AI into everything, Windows 12 facing more criticism in recent years, mixed messaging and general sense of instability makes it less of a insta-buy.
 
And there's still people that think this next box will be a console and not a PC pushing AI. MS really knows how to string along their faithful.
 
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It was clear as day that one that is literally behind AI bullshit will push AI to its console.

I pity anyone whoever still buys Xbox consoles these days.
 
Claude answers correctly

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Claude is definitely top of the pack - Anthropic has done solid work on combatting these kinds of hallucinations that's super easy to get other AI models to make. For what it's worth, in my job, we use various AI models for code generation and PR review across several languages and disciplines. Because AI is such a wild west at the moment, all of our teams use wildly different implementations and processes so we can figure out what works practically and at scale. So far, virtually all of our teams are converging on Claude as the only workable model. Claude was built for coding first, which gave it a focus on "proven results". I'm not 100% across their model, but whatever they do, it helps Claude realise it doesn't have a real answer and it prevents these kinds of silly hallucinations. In my experience, if Codex and Gemini were entry level junior programmers, Claude is a trained senior engineer in comparison - which is why it costs three times as much as the other models.
AI has a long way to go
Well said. Still won't stop Microslop from cramming it down our throats, it seems.
 
This is one of the reasons Satya is keeping the Xbox division around. It's part of his moustache-twirling AI masterplan. Appointing an AI chief to Xbox CEO fits nicely with that, too.
 
Claude is definitely top of the pack - Anthropic has done solid work on combatting these kinds of hallucinations that's super easy to get other AI models to make. For what it's worth, in my job, we use various AI models for code generation and PR review across several languages and disciplines. Because AI is such a wild west at the moment, all of our teams use wildly different implementations and processes so we can figure out what works practically and at scale. So far, virtually all of our teams are converging on Claude as the only workable model. Claude was built for coding first, which gave it a focus on "proven results". I'm not 100% across their model, but whatever they do, it helps Claude realise it doesn't have a real answer and it prevents these kinds of silly hallucinations. In my experience, if Codex and Gemini were entry level junior programmers, Claude is a trained senior engineer in comparison - which is why it costs three times as much as the other models.

Well said. Still won't stop Microslop from cramming it down our throats, it seems.

Same experience with coding. Claude is just so much better than everything else when it comes to complex tasks. Gemini has ok, but still hit and miss. Copilot is a waste of time.

Seems like governments would be interested in how Microsoft is forcing Copilot everywhere with their massive Windows footprint, but so far.....nothing.
 
... Seems like governments would be interested in how Microsoft is forcing Copilot everywhere with their massive Windows footprint, but so far.....nothing.
Tin foil hat theory: they're waiting to see what it might be able to offer themselves before they're willing to say anything.
 
Tin foil hat theory: they're waiting to see what it might be able to offer themselves before they're willing to say anything.

Not a theory: if you want to know what governments plan with AI, just check out the opinion pieces of mainstream media. Politicians are not very subtle when they use their lapdogs to sell you something. 2020 was a rehearsal year in that regard.
 
this remind me of the start of this generation where xbox fans taunting over how Series X will has AI features not Playstation. fastfoward we got PSSR for PS5 Pro and still nowhere for the Xbox consoles.


now, finally they gonna get it. but not the one they expected to be.
 
Copilot: "For the last 3 hours I've noticed elevated sweat levels and declining social balance. Your Elden Ring session has been suspended. Please call your girlfriend and rejoin society. Game access returns in 6 hours if behavior improves. Your account has been locked."
I… I think I need this… 🫣
I'm hopeless to stay up til the morning gaming, could use a nudge that it's time to go to bed. Was up til 02:30 last night. And now I'm up 7:45. So, 5 hours of sleep… Not enough 😴
 
Seems like a desperate move to add 20+ million users to their Copilot MAU numbers for investor reports, but we will see.

Maybe it's better they experiment now and refine before the new console, but the damage could be done by then if not executed elegantly.

I imagine PS will be working on AI integration too, because it is the logical next step to some of the game help stuff, but they'd be wise to sit back and watch how this pans out first.
 
Im genuinely confused by this decision, namely Microsoft mandated PC's with copilot to have a minimum spec of 16GB. Series S has 10GB.

I get that xbox doesn't have the overheads that Windows has, but wouldn't Series S' performance be even worse with this added?
 
This is one of the reasons Satya is keeping the Xbox division around. It's part of his moustache-twirling AI masterplan. Appointing an AI chief to Xbox CEO fits nicely with that, too.
Oh definitely. This is why I don't think they care if their next system sells like shit since they will have people actually paying MS to be used to train their AI. Even getting 10m-20m lifetime sales would be a win for them. With all these new forced online identity checks that are starting to happen also, they will have have more access to personal information. This is how they get fools to subsidize their AI endeavors.

One of the main reasons I want a Steam box is because I want no part of what MS is cooking for the future of their brand. I'm ready to move all my PC gaming off Windows.
 
I mainly use it for BC, and even then I don't use it very much these days...anyway, if this shit keeps up, I really am considering just unplugging my Series X from the internet. I don't play games online cuz I am done paying for online gaming, and I'll just survive off what's installed. Getting so tired of this AI bull shit push.

Has there ever been a technology that's been so heavily pushed onto people that most people do not want, but are being forced to use?
 
Absolutely hate the aids Microslop is giving to its own struggling hardware but I am ashamed to have used ChatGPT for gaming strategy recommendations.

If there is an option to turn this off, I bet next iteration will be hard baked into the services.
 
Im genuinely confused by this decision, namely Microsoft mandated PC's with copilot to have a minimum spec of 16GB. Series S has 10GB.

I get that xbox doesn't have the overheads that Windows has, but wouldn't Series S' performance be even worse with this added?
I don't think they care. They just using it as a vehicle to promote and get the messaging around co-pilot out to more and more people.

Wouldn't be surprised if the next "console" is called Xbox Series Co-Pilot.
 
Someone explain to me like 5 how it's even going to be used or useful in a closed environment?

Is it going to be like Kinect that your console can 'hear' you if you say shit like I need help with this area or something?
Shouldn't we be asking you Mr. Xbox 😩😩
Right. Here's me asking CoPilot for help in a game that hasn't been released, fighting a boss that doesn't exist:
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AI is fucking useless for video game assistance because it can't not hallucinate answers to shit it doesn't know.

Keep this fucking shit out of my fucking video games.
If it's any consolation, it's at least entertaining just to see how much bullshit you can make up for it. 💀
 
Now imagine PearlAbyss reading this forum and adding a giant Duck boss... that would be the best joke of the year :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
AI has its place in coding (which can be verified to be correct by proper usage of tests), and 2D art since that's subjective, but they simply cannot be trusted for most other tasks.
They constantly spit out nonsense, or "hallucinate" bullshit since they're forced to come to an answer or conclusion.

For 2D art, it's an ethical issue considering a lot of GenAI use LLM that have been trained on stolen artwork. If these companies weren't so greedy & stupid, and actually allowed artists to opt-in & paid them for use of their art, that would at least be some compensation. Some companies actually do that now, but it's only been more recent, and the damage in terms of stigma's been done.

I.e any real 2D artist who voluntarily provides work for an AI LLM will probably be shunned from their peer community and find it extremely difficult to build up an authentic fanbase, given the growing resentment among some pockets (especially in areas of art communities) towards AI. It's unfortunate, but the way these companies went about training their models in the first place is what enabled that environment to fester.

As for AI making stuff up, well yeah that's definitely a thing that happens. But a smart prompter is going to have some idea of what they are asking about and be able to correct the AI if it gives an incorrect response. If you're completely oblivious about what something is, and it's a complex subject, and you're asking the AI to answer for you (or even more than that, generate new solutions for something you know nothing about), to me that's a test on the prompter's level of critical thinking.

If the prompter isn't aware enough to recognize when a mistake's made, can't clarify what they're looking for, can't correct the AI's thinking behavior or set parameters, then they probably shouldn't be using an AI. Not until they get a basic understanding of the topic at least, and have some idea of what they are actually looking for.

What user data?

For game data, Nintendo for example has telemetry up the rectum on Switch. Almost every fart you make in-game is routed to HQ. Everything is already logged by everyone on every platform.
Here's a fun write-up: https://zeldamods.org/wiki/Telemetry
They know exactly what you do and how you do it.

Things tied to your account I'd suspect, similar to the telemetry stuff with Nintendo you just posted. Disabling these types of things only stops them from actively pestering you and maybe ends some of the services, but the core program service(s) are still resident in memory. If it's a program with kernel-side access (which I'd expect Copilot to be such a program), then it's still getting some kind of telemetry even if you disable it.

You'd have to completely uninstall the program to keep it from doing that, but MS will never allow people to uninstall core Windows utilities like Copilot.

The hallucinations are going to hilarious. As are all the totally incorrect tips copilot is going to give.

I've really not used Copilot outside of maybe 1-2 prompts, and once was by accident. Cant' speak to its accuracy ; I'll say Google's is pretty accurate tho, atlhough it too can make mistakes, and sometimes I feel you have to "refresh" it on details established earlier so that it uses a proper context.
 
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I've really not used Copilot outside of maybe 1-2 prompts, and once was by accident. Cant' speak to its accuracy ; I'll say Google's is pretty accurate tho, atlhough it too can make mistakes, and sometimes I feel you have to "refresh" it on details established earlier so that it uses a proper context.

At first, I used Copilot extensively for development tasks at work as well as person projects at home (setting up truenas, ollama, various linux activities, etc.). With simple things, it is ok. If I'm having trouble with a sql query or something like that then copilot can handle it. But if I'm working on a larger project where I need guidance then it just falls apart. I literally was cussing Copilot out I was so frustrated. And this was the paid version (through work). I don't know how many times Copilot would give me bad instructions that caused more problems that Copilot would then try to solve and then give more bad instructions for that. It was to the point that I was so far removed from the original task that when I realized how badly copilot fucked up I spent more time undoing all the shit it had me do than actually finishing the project. I moved to gemini and it was immediately superior. I pay for Claude out of my own pocket because for a developer it is just a must have, but since I still have to limit my usage, I'll lean on Gemini for more basic tasks.

Copilot is just an afterthought at this point despite the fact that Microsoft has integrated it into nearly everything in Windows.
 
Has there ever been a technology that's been so heavily pushed onto people that most people do not want, but are being forced to use?
Microsoft Windows.
Most of the world's permanently trapped on Windows, Microsoft's aware of this and makes changes that it knows users don't want.
 
This news makes me seriously contemplate selling my XSX to help fund the purchase of a Switch 2. Since my Game Pass subscription lapsed, my Xbox has been gathering dust. I turned it on for the first time in months today just to do some drive maintenance. Last thing I want is more AI copilot crap infesting my gaming experience.
 
What I read: Ram consumer feature is about to show in a near future to fuck even more of your console
 
So basically, Micro$lop will waste a massive amount of energy so that every game can become some kind of Barney Hide & Seek on the Megadrive where the game play all by itself?
 
At first, I used Copilot extensively for development tasks at work as well as person projects at home (setting up truenas, ollama, various linux activities, etc.). With simple things, it is ok. If I'm having trouble with a sql query or something like that then copilot can handle it. But if I'm working on a larger project where I need guidance then it just falls apart. I literally was cussing Copilot out I was so frustrated. And this was the paid version (through work). I don't know how many times Copilot would give me bad instructions that caused more problems that Copilot would then try to solve and then give more bad instructions for that. It was to the point that I was so far removed from the original task that when I realized how badly copilot fucked up I spent more time undoing all the shit it had me do than actually finishing the project. I moved to gemini and it was immediately superior. I pay for Claude out of my own pocket because for a developer it is just a must have, but since I still have to limit my usage, I'll lean on Gemini for more basic tasks.

Copilot is just an afterthought at this point despite the fact that Microsoft has integrated it into nearly everything in Windows.

Man I can't even begin to image how frustrating that must've been to fix all the mistakes Copilot made 😂. I don't have to use it for work, thankfully, but for some of the spare time things I've been doing (basically to help flesh out technical aspects of fake/hypothetical consoles), I've made sure to document the shit out of everything. Taking care to phrase prompts as best as possible (i.e if the AI suddenly starts naming something a certain way, I try referencing the name it came up with going forward so that it can link context better) and catching discrepancies.

Like when it comes to the basic stuff, i.e basic measures of bandwidth, synchronous/asynchronous clock domains, usage of FIFO buffers, latency, RAS/CAS etc. the AI hasn't been useful because I know that already. But figuring out solutions like interleaving memory with TDM time-slicing accesses to shared peripherals exploiting the charge time from request to data being ready in physical memory banks (to maximize bandwidth with slow memory to "fake" high bandwidth arranging data in SoA to cycle between the banks), I'll definitely admit the AI was very useful in helping me figure that out in context to the rest of the design.

But that is still probably very simple compared to some of the things I imagine others have been using it for, like those dudes who somehow got an AI (Gemini 3.0) to make a Game Boy emulator, though I imagine they had to already have the technical understanding of the Game Boy's architecture to prompt it to make an emulator in 2-5 minutes. Maybe, I dunno.

Microsoft Windows.
Most of the world's permanently trapped on Windows, Microsoft's aware of this and makes changes that it knows users don't want.

Well good news is Linux gathering a lot more steam and getting much-needed driver support from holdouts like Nvidia, even if it's still quite early.

I hope Valve are considering release of a SDK suite that's hooked into Steam and makes integration & optimization for the storefront (and Steam OS) as simple as possible; would not trust MS to keep PC game development and access fair on Windows with the plans they shared at GDC. They could absolutely try hooking in certain GDK features to Copilot & NPU-powered AI functions, effectively forcing the hand of other platforms like Steam to mandate usage of the same things in order to provide comparable compatibility.

That's always the danger you run when a so-called "open" platform like Windows is in fact owned by a single corporate entity and 100% proprietary.



Why do the prompters sound like AI and the AI sounds like a fake person? Also what is the point of using AI to cut out player-driven experimentation & curiosity other than to play the game like a work assignment you're trying to finish ASAP to beat the clock?

Like why even play games if you're not willing to think for yourself while playing them? It's like following a strategy guide 100% of the way through, your first time playing the game (which is what MS probably envision usage to be so they can get those usage metrics ASAP)!
 
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