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[EDMIX]

Tom Warren is right

I wouldn't be shocked if the words "Plays XBOX games" referred to its ability to play older titles.

So all their games will be on PC moving forward and this system likely will just be emulating the older XB systems.

Nothing Tom is saying doesn't really suggest otherwise.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

In a battle of Shill vs. Shill, whoever wins, we lose

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

Its going to be so funny when they show it and it is just a Windows 11 with a UI on top that you can switch off to desktop mod (aka a steam machine)

 

[cafecat]

A device drived by 'full' windows (with a 'new' game mode, like the Full Screen Experience) and get the windows update as other windows PC, maybe in the microsoft internal it is what they push for recent 2 years: AI+ PC with some microsoft AI assistant (it has a 110 tops NPU)

 

[Three]

If the Helix does not come with the ability to run all PC apps out of the box, I think it's more appropriate to brand it as a console. Otherwise it's a PC. So it's simply down to the OS version.

I think with windows 12 they're making the actual OS modular. So "OS version" and "out of the box" is a little more complicated now.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Console or not, the fun part will be Microsoft silently executing this thing a few years after release because it completely failed to appeal to any market.

 

[BeardSpike]

I guess he (Tom) didn't get the memo with official Xbox account posting this, lmao.

 

[Baemono]

 

[Team Andromeda]

This used to be a dig against the old OG Xbox

 

[BlackTron]

So it plays native Xbox games, and PC games from other storefronts. But, not other PC applications, and cannot be customized.

Meanwhile, it takes the form of a set top box with an HDMI cable and controller.

Endless bickering over whether this is definitively a PC or console will get nowhere and is already tiring.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I doubt it will be exactly what it's marketed.
- No bluray drive for starters so you can retire your physical collection from all generations of Xbox.
- Will it be able to run console versions from the current generation? Certain games are sold in the MS store as Series-only games, which means they can only be played on Series S and Series X. You only get a license for those two models, not for a PC copy as well.
- Are XONE & Series generations going to be fully backwards compatible and not replaced by PC versions? And what about X360 and current BC lineup?

 

[Hyper_hyper]

I don't understand this logic.

Just because the PS3 can run Linux doesnt make it a Linux PC. its still a console. the same thing can be applied here. if the hardware is designed to be a next gen Xbox console with the ability to switch boot to PC doesnt make it a PC. a PC will not run Xbox Series, One, 360 and original xbox games officially ( not talking about emulators here ).

I think the same thing applies to Xbox next gen IF its actually a new gen xbox ( which again, i think it would be stupid ).

the more logicial choice is for them to have a PC ( like you suggested ) and it their Xbox app now / future xbox app has the ability to run your old xbox games via emlator within the xbox the app it self.

PS3 couldn't run PC games, next Xbox will run PC games. And will have same error windows shit like every other PC device with Windows here. And it will have 3rd party PC storefronts. Yeah, that's a PC.

 

[Negotiator101]

A device that runs PC games is a PC

End of story.

It runs Xbox games as well, I think that's the point Tom is making.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

It runs Xbox games as well, I think that's the point Tom is making.

It runs PC games too. With Windows OS in it. It is just a PC with Xbox sticker on it. That's the point Tom Warren ignoring

 

[Ozzie666]

Fighting over a plastic box that hasn't even been revealed nor what it actually is or it can do. Great work.

I cant wait for the spin for this and steam machine.

 

[fallingdove]

Xbox brand could become the Game Center of Apple, but for Windows. Basically a UI for all user activity. Better yet, eternalize the name, make Xbox the AI used to help make games run better inside Windows. All that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think the brand has a lot of life to it, but I think it could be better used as a branding of an experience rather than a dedicated machine. Maybe I'm wrong.

exactly. No one knows, but we will soon be informed.

The Xbox brand is dead. People need to let it go.

The fact Xbox shills are ramping up their promotional efforts after admitting the brand was buried is just Xbox marketing dusting off a tired old strategy from their ineffective playbook.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Wait I am out of the loop. Is Tom Warren still working for MS as an official shill? Who is paying that guy nowadays?

 

[Tobimacoss]

If the Xbox ecosystem is fully unified with a universal SKU, then technically the device is a PC with BC in a Console form factor.

Basically the Xbox Console becomes part of the Windows PC gaming ecosystem, both software and hardware wise. The Console becomes the fixed spec target for optimization for PC gaming across all three ecosystems, Xbox, Steam, Epic.

So it's BOTH.

 

[LyricalShrike]

A console is just a PC with drm.

 

[OGM_Madness]

my thought is: if Helix is a PC too, can I install Microsoft Office to it? Can I mod my games? Can I buy games from Steam and GOG?

I think a PC is more than just PC Gaming, and until I see the whole thing, I can't say what it is.

It currently feels like the Xbox One: it's a "Console X TV Cable Box" Hybrid!

If they end up limiting the PC part of it to the ground, then I think it's fair to call it a Console, but then what's the point?

 

[DragonNCM]

 

[VolticArchangel]

Battle of the Shills,

 

[Fafalada]

Xbox starting another generation with a confusing mess

I mean they fired ppl who previously contributed 100% confusing PR way too late to contain the damage.
More importantly it doesn't seem the new appointee is any sort of an improvement at all in that regard.

Maybe MS employees are brainwashed into being bad at PR, or they only hire you if you are.

 

[Shogmaster]

A device that runs PC games is a PC

End of story.

So PS5 is a PC? People hacked and loaded Linux on it to play Steam games. LOL

Also you can get a binned PS5 APU mobo blade meant for crypto for $100 on eBay and make your own Steam Machine, which is a trending PC mod for last 12 months.

Basically, Geoffrey K'nitenite is a moron.

Steam Machine is a PC because it has discrete CPU and GPU with separate RAM pools, running a PC OS.

Helix is a console running PC/console OS because it FUCKING USES A GODDAMNED APU WITH UNIFIED RAM, LIKE ALL CONSOLES FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

 

[808mate]

Xbox shills are damaging the brand.

A better strategy would be for Microsoft paying to keep them off social media.

 

[Prodyhig]

And I think...

Why not go back to a single console, kill Game Pass, and release tons of exclusive games?

Is that idea really that crazy?

 

[Wulfer]

That's the crux of the issue here. You've got folks throwing mud at Keighley but no one really knows for sure what this thing is. I'm still laughing at the idea that we should trust Microsoft's words implicitly here in any case.

Back to your question. What is it?

Just snowballing here but, maybe we should wait until Microsoft actually shows and tells us about the box before doing this:

 

[Topher]

Just snowballing here but, maybe we should wait until Microsoft actually shows and tells us about the box before doing this:

If you don't want to talk about it.......don't

 

[Wulfer]

If you don't want to talk about it.......don't

What's there to talk about, you don't know shit?

 

[Shogmaster]

And I think...

Why not go back to a single console, kill Game Pass, and release tons of exclusive games?

Is that idea really that crazy?

After 25 years of throwing away money to subsidize a competition against Sony for the gamers without much returns, probably yeah.

 

[Topher]

What's there to talk about, you don't know shit?

We can speculate. Again.....it is optional

 

[Wulfer]

We can speculate. Again.....it is optional

I can speculate there's flying unicorn's but, it doesn't make them anymore real. Well, unless you've lose it, then all bets are off.

 

[Topher]

I can speculate there's flying unicorn's but, it doesn't make them anymore real. Well, unless you've lose it, then all bets are off.

No shit. Again, then don't talk about it. There is an ignore thread button at the top right. Use it

 

[Truthtellers]

Tom Warren.

 

[DenchDeckard]

If it can run its own operating system and applications like word, is completely open. It's a pc.

 

[PauloRoberto]

So PS5 is a PC? People hacked and loaded Linux on it to play Steam games. LOL

Also you can get a binned PS5 APU mobo blade meant for crypto for $100 on eBay and make your own Steam Machine, which is a trending PC mod for last 12 months.

Basically, Geoffrey K'nitenite is a moron.

Steam Machine is a PC because it has discrete CPU and GPU with separate RAM pools, running a PC OS.

Helix is a console running PC/console OS because it FUCKING USES A GODDAMNED APU WITH UNIFIED RAM, LIKE ALL CONSOLES FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

Attention everyone, we just discovered that some zealtos are SO desperate trying so save a failed brand that they are reclassifying all PCs with APUs as consoles!

Look, i found an APU: can i create my very own console ? https://www.bestbuy.com/product/amd...ktop-processor-silver/JXKQHH53Z7/sku/10200887

Look, i found a new console: https://www.bestbuy.com/product/clx...tb-nvme-m-2-ssd-black/J3626HF3ZT/sku/11919414

Remember, i am using your (very idiotic i might add) definition of console

 

[Topher]

So PS5 is a PC? People hacked and loaded Linux on it to play Steam games. LOL

Also you can get a binned PS5 APU mobo blade meant for crypto for $100 on eBay and make your own Steam Machine, which is a trending PC mod for last 12 months.

Basically, Geoffrey K'nitenite is a moron.

Steam Machine is a PC because it has discrete CPU and GPU with separate RAM pools, running a PC OS.

Helix is a console running PC/console OS because it FUCKING USES A GODDAMNED APU WITH UNIFIED RAM, LIKE ALL CONSOLES FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

If you can install different OS then yeah, that's a PC. Hacking it, in a way, flips that switch. Consoles use PC technology.

Steam Machine is a PC because you can install anything you want on it, even at the OS level.

I have a mini PC with an APU. That doesn't make it a console. APUs have never been exclusive to consoles.

 

[Shogmaster]

Attention everyone, we just discovered that some zealtos are SO desperate trying so save a failed brand that they are reclassifying all PCs with APUs as consoles!

Look, i found an APU: can i create my very own console ? https://www.bestbuy.com/product/amd...ktop-processor-silver/JXKQHH53Z7/sku/10200887

Look, i found a new console: https://www.bestbuy.com/product/clx...tb-nvme-m-2-ssd-black/J3626HF3ZT/sku/11919414

Remember, i am using your (very idiotic i might add) definition of console

ALL consoles use APUs.
Not all APUs are used in consoles.

NO consoles have used discrete components since 2001 with OG XBox. Even then, nVidia embedded the GPU into the Northbridge. No separate GPU die. There's a simple reason for this. COST.

I know its probably hard for you to follow, but try. What you think is a logic trap, is just you mental masturbating.

 

[PauloRoberto]

ALL consoles use APUs.
Not all APUs are used in consoles.

NO consoles have used discrete components since 2001 with OG XBox. Even then, nVidia embedded the GPU into the Northbridge. No separate GPU die. There's a simple reason for this. COST.

I know its probably hard for you to follow, but try. What you think is a logic trap, is just you mental masturbating.

Thanks for confirming your imbecility, because you are purposely defending something you know is wrong... The hardware used by a console by itself does not define it as a console. Thank goodness i can ignore this kind of idiot here...

 

[Shogmaster]

If you can install different OS then yeah, that's a PC. Hacking it, in a way, flips that switch. Consoles use PC technology.

Steam Machine is a PC because you can install anything you want on it, even at the OS level.

I have a mini PC with an APU. That doesn't make it a console. APUs have never been exclusive to consoles.

Imma repeat this for everyone, everytime until it gets thru to your thick console war skulls:

All consoles use APUs.
Not all APUs are used in consoles.
No console will use discrete components. Its too costly.

Yes, today APUs are EVERYWHERE. Every Mac uses APU post Intel. My laptop uses APU. Mini PC 95% of them use APUs. It is the future of computing like I ataed earlier.

BUT LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT. In our age of X64 consoles, only defining hardware feature for a console is that IT. MUST. USE. AN. APU.

 

[newtypepilot]

Tom isn't a shill. He thinks tweets like this are important to put out their and that we should all care that nadella has an xbox hoodie on!

she's not wearing her project helix branded bathrobe

 

[Shogmaster]

Thanks for confirming your imbecility, because you are purposely defending something you know is wrong... The hardware used by a console by itself does not define it as a console. Thank goodness i can ignore this kind of idiot here...

Jesus, you tit, hardware is an essential part of the equation. And for that part of the equation, CONSOLES MUST USE APUS.

You can come up with some grand formula for what makes a console on your own time, but only thing we know about Helix is the damn hardware.

Now shoo. Go play with mercury or something.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Damn, people really seem to be hung upon wether Helix is a PC or a console.
Who the fuck cares?
I'm gonna put it under my tv and play games on it. It doesn't matter if some message board weirdo thinks it's a PC or a console.
I won't be doing my tax return on that thing but I'll probably play GTA6.

 

[Topher]

Imma repeat this for everyone, everytime until it gets thru to your thick console war skulls:

All consoles use APUs.
Not all APUs are used in consoles.
No console will use discrete components. Its too costly.

Yes, today APUs are EVERYWHERE. Every Mac uses APU post Intel. My laptop uses APU. Mini PC 95% of them use APUs. It is the future of computing like I ataed earlier.

BUT LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT. In our age of X64 consoles, only defining hardware feature for a console is that IT. MUST. USE. AN. APU.

If having an APU isn't specific to consoles then APUs are not a defining characteristic of consoles that make them distinct from PCs. So.....what's your point?

 

[Darkness_Arises]

No you can't:

Try to run Steam software natively on your phone and see what happens....

Not to be pedantic, but thanks to Steam's fantastic efforts with fex, this is no longer out of the realm of possibility. You can play quite a few steam games natively on your android phone by installing apps like game native.

 

[Topher]

Not to be pedantic, but thanks to Steam's fantastic efforts with fex, this is no longer out of the realm of possibility. You can play quite a few steam games natively on your android phone by installing apps like game native.

Yep. I was playing Triangle Strategy on my Ayn Thor yesterday. Worked really well.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Yep. I was playing Triangle Strategy on my Ayn Thor yesterday. Worked really well.

The only negative with these devices is the screen size. I hope they release an 8" version of the Odin 3, 6" and 7" just don't cut it anymore.

 

[Shogmaster]

If having an APU isn't specific to consoles then APUs are not a defining characteristic of consoles that make them distinct from PCs. So.....what's your point?

Fuck. Me. How are you guys this dense?

It IS a defining hardware feature. If you dont have an APU, you dont have a console. But you can load any compatible software on said hardware. Software wise, anything goes for X64 APU. Open Linux distro? Sure. Modified Android? Why not. That part is up to the maker. MS is choosing to do a version of Windows that via total Software or combination of hardware and software, will be letting you play XBox games.

Sony wants everything locked diwn tight for its APU. MS is done with that and are trying a hybrid Software approach.

But at the end of the day, all the weird delineation of hardware we've used up to now for consoles, when boiled down they are APU boxes.

 

[Darius87]

this is weird situation there's valid arguments for being both pc/console i guess it's not black and white anymore could be first hybrid hw or xbox have identity issues.

 

[RoboFu]

all the consoles now are pc based devices