Is that meant to be cheap? That's pretty expensive. I can see them hitting that price late next year depending on what happens with Nand/RAM into next year. It's not a particularly low price.Don't forget 5080ti raster and 5090ti ray-tracing power. Totes only $1200 or less unsubsidized. Not counting CPU spec, storage and RAM either.
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Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'
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demigod
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50m when the series can't even hit 40m?
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
If it's a PC it can't be subsidized like a console can. An Xbox/Asus badge for a PC.
Nobody will want a $500-600 PC. It won't have substantial gaming power. Insanely bad decision. No wonder Phil Spencer became untenable, he'd have known this wouldn't work.
Nobody will want a $500-600 PC. It won't have substantial gaming power. Insanely bad decision. No wonder Phil Spencer became untenable, he'd have known this wouldn't work.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
All that spec for $1200 seems a little low, on the price.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
That "easy" gap is already very small due to XBox big picture mode. The gap will get more and more insignificant as time passes
Wulfer
Member
Why? Sony just did a reversal... Release the ones announced and promise nothing else. Just keep you mouth shut until you know the direction forward. How hard is that?
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
I didn't order them. Don't yell at me. LOL
Xaeroxcore666
Member
Ms Shawarma, if you want this thing to sell, it will need to have actual killer app 100% exclusives as happened back in the day with OG Xbox. Focus on this and not on AI slop no one asked for. But i know you won´t listen.
It depends entirely what happens with RAM/Nand in ~2 years but the 5080 MSRP was $999 last year before supply problems and that comes with 16GB GDDR7 and a profit margin. With another 2 years from now, and with RDNA5 performance gains, it's going to be cheaper than $999 for that type of performance I think. That leaves a good $300+ for the rest of the BOM. I don't think its that cheap personally but I could be completely off base.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Look at the current prices of an almost 6 year old retail system from them.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Especially if you call her by that name, sure.
twilo99
Member
Covering such a wide price range would be ideal and I like the idea of the OEMs filling in the gaps but it just sounds too idealistic from a consumer standpoint for this to actually occur.
They need to be consistent on the BC stuff... can't have the Microsoft product support BC and the OEMs not
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
If OEMs build with Magnus, they should gave full Helix functionality. Then they could add their own value added stuff to crank their prices. Whether that would convince ppl to soend extra? Who knows.
I suppose an OEM could go full tard and offer 96GB LLM version for $9600. lol
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splattered
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I cant help but wonder if next gen will be a repeat of current generation... everyone was excited over the specs of the next xbox and then hear that the ps5 "only had 9.5tf of power" or whatever it was and people started melting down (only to realize they perform about the same when all is said and done)
LavitzSlambert
Member
Maybe. Valve needs to support Windows, but Microsoft doesn't need to support Linux. I fear this is their approach to exclusivity.
reinking
Gold Member
Let's clarify Steam ecosystem, that would be the Steam store, launcher and SteamOS. At no point did I say SteamOS would reign supreme. I said bringing Steam to Xbox has potential to pull more users into that ecosystem. Which could lead to those users getting more familiar with something like SteamOS. Losing any users to Steam isn't good news for Microsoft and even Xbox users seem to be pretty darned excited that Steam might make its way to the console.
Also, I am more inclined to say MS gets it right sometimes, not over time. Recent history and all that...
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Immediate goal is stopping Steam OS adoption. Taking on Steam ecosystem comes much later IMO.
Nelly_Nel_7.1.3
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I wonder will this new xbox will use window 11 or window 12?
wonderland
Member
Don't forget Xbox Windows series 365
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Unfortunatecookie
Member
When you say "a ton of people", do you mean people on the internet with accounts on social media?
Iced Arcade
Member
They have a fuck ton of convincing for people to even debate buying into the next Xbox.
I've been a die hard day 1 Xbox fan since the start and I'm like "Naw I'm good"
I've been a die hard day 1 Xbox fan since the start and I'm like "Naw I'm good"
What if the prices don't go down in 2028 either, this seems like a late 2027 launch as long rumored.
DavidGzz
Member
Doubt it will be. For me, if it's the same price as a PC but in a console form factor and as quiet or close to as quiet as the XSX that will be huge for me. Those two things would add a good bit to the price of a PC. Small cases and great cooling can be expensive.
Rambone
Member
See, this is exactly why I can picture Microsoft pulling a move like this.
"Gang gang, we heard you loud and clear, you want Xbox exclusives."
Cool. Now here's the catch:
You can enjoy Steam and every other storefront on our shiny new hybrid PC…
…but if you want Xbox exclusives, you're playing in the Xbox/Microsoft Store sandbox.
Because suddenly, Microsoft "re-evaluates distribution strategy" and decides:
"For the first 6–12 months, our first‑party titles will launch exclusively on the Xbox/Microsoft Store. Steam releases will come later."
It's the perfect corporate two‑step:
- Sell you on openness
- Then gate the one thing you can't get anywhere else
"We didn't block Steam , we just made Steam irrelevant for our exclusives."
EPG_Every_Platform_Gamer
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Excited to see if they truly will compete again.. Xbox series X was a great machine, sadly it didn't get the support it deserved. We need Steam machine and the new Xbox to actually humble Sony and hopefully we will get another great generation of gaming. Little worried about pricing, with everything thats happening in the tech sector, the scalpers, the increase in component prices due to ai, will it be priced competitively enough to draw away gamers who have long given up on Xbox and moved across to PlayStation or Nintendo/pc... I may do a deep dive on this subject on my channel just like my Switch 1 to Switch 2 Deep Dive. Happy they confirmed its hybrid right off the bat. As a Every Platform Gamer... this sounds awesome. Being able to play my whole steam library and my Xbox and epic, Ubisoft etc. sounds intriguing. I was an Xbox Ambassador and fed this back loads. I just hope they don't mess it up.. historically, they always usually make a stupid decision and mess up the momentum. They now have the games, the franchises, the IP, the cadence of regular releases, throw powerful tech into the mix and hopefully they can deliver. Just nervous about all this AI talk....
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semiconscious
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i say we wait & see. 'will play your xbox & pc games' could mean several different things...
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
They already announced Steam, Epic and GoG storefronts for XBox Big Picture Mode back with XBox Ally X launch. You can already use them on XB Ally X. Why you guys so weird right now?
PlayStaytion
Member
So that 110Tops came from you? Hopefully that translate to better NPC dialogues.
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TheGodfather07
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Microsoft will treat this system worse than they did the Xbox series consoles.
PlayStaytion
Member
It's a Sony less platform but still gonna support it anyway.
Tobimacoss
Member
Project Helix isn't just one single device, it's an entire portfolio of devices including multiple consoles. MS would be buying chips from AMD and supplying them to OEMs at cost.
Moving 50 million Windows devices per year is easy for OEMs.
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DavidGzz
Member
I think it will be a lot more expensive and the difference will be noticeable(graphics) but PS fans will say the difference isn't worth the price and MS fans will say it is. The war will continue. Rejoice!
Now, if you're right and the Xbox is way more expensive on top of that, this thing will sell like 1/4 of the XSX lol
Tobimacoss
Member
Hah, beautiful.
It would be an open platform. Sony could be on there as well if they wanted, with their own PC store, without having to give anyone a cut.
Stafford
Member
If it turns out it doesn't have Steam support that would put a big damper on the excitement for me. By having Steam we finally would be rid of the problem of missing out on games that do come out on PS and Steam but not Xbox consoles.
We had Jez talking about Steam and what not, but with him you never really know if it's just him guessing or knowing.
We had Jez talking about Steam and what not, but with him you never really know if it's just him guessing or knowing.
ZehDon
Banned
Honestly, that's a better strategy than some of non-sense I'm seeing floated around. And they can say they didn't block Steam in this scenario... because they didn't. I can still install Steam and download and run any game I want from my library.
I still expect some hardware monster where it has PC silicon and XBOX specfific chips to run in console and PC modes. Hardware solution and not a software PC store front solution. I could see XBOX games release 3-6months on the console side, then release on PC later. I haven't fully thought this through, but I expect the unexpected for for them to keep their backwards compatability on the console side. Steam and open PC access on the other.
DavidGzz
Member
Now, wouldn't that be funny. Sony quits giving Steam SP games because they are making their own PC store but releasing games with a year+ delay. So sure, you can play PS games on an Xbox, but Sony doesn't have to share the revenue.
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