DeepEnigma
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I never compared the two so I dunno what your argument is.
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Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'
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jm89
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Senjutsu but he actually decided to take his pills.
Kacho
Gold Member
I'm definitely leaning towards the latter.
jm89
Member
She knows her appointment is gonna be heavily criticised. So it's all damage limitation.
Throw out some buzzwords and push some stuff forward. I wouldn't be surprised if previous leadership weren't ready to reveal that thing this early.
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Shogmaster
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The only thing we dont know now is amount iof RAM (either 36 or 48GB) and amount of base storage.
lughnasadh123
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Helix, huh? I want this as my startup.
It's frustrating to be filled with so many questions only to have to wait as vague, almost non-answers trickle out over the year or two on what this thing can really do and how it does it.
It's frustrating to be filled with so many questions only to have to wait as vague, almost non-answers trickle out over the year or two on what this thing can really do and how it does it.
Elginer
Member
Day one no joke. I'm a big Xbox dude. Let's get it fam!!
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
I thought the initial order was 50M.
And Magnus is too power hungry for Mobile application. Its going suck 250W minimum while gaming (along with rest of the components). Max battery size for travel on airplanes in 99WHr. Thats like 20 min gaming on battery. lol
xrnzaaas
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Microsoft wants optical drives out the door, they didn't even wait for this generation to end to pull a handbrake on retail releases. It's highly unlikely they'll make an exception for people to play older games, more like they'll want you to play their digital copies or through cloud.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Do these people even realize that Xbox will never ever have exclusives since it's a PC? And that the new Xbox PC will be so expensive and therefore will have such a low userbase compared to Xbox Series S/X that MS will depend on Playstation revenues even more than today??
bitbydeath
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It'll still get BC series games and who knows how long that will last.
Also, I would expect the extra power won't go to waste on those too.
LyricalShrike
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A migration of Xbox console players onto PC through a hybrid console would be pretty cool if the price is attractive. I am happy for any innovative to help guide players onto more open platforms. I feel like the culture is reaching the conclusion of a journey that began with cross platform multiplayer.
Esquie
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They're gonna have an "Optimized for Xbox (Name)" thing going on to assuage those fears. They're going to try to make the experience as un-PC as possible when it comes to the headaches with shitty ports and other issues, while still maintaining full PC functionality for those who want it. It's a fine line but I think it's doable.
Tobimacoss
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You are quite good at having a civil discussion.
Well yea, there's only one store, it's the same backend. Anyways, we will find out more at the GDC next week. That's the reason they announced this.
DeepEnigma
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Topher
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1 SKU for Microsoft sold games or are suggesting there could be 1 sku across all stores including non-MS?
Thebonehead
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I still love my old Surface pro 7 ( even though it never leaves my desk anymore because the iPad & Lenovo tablets are better tablets & I have no use for Windows when I'm out & about , but if I didn't have better tablets Surface would be amazing
)That was some next gen marketing for sure lol:I still love my old Surface pro 7 ( even though it never leaves my desk anymore because the iPad & Lenovo tablets are better tablets & I have no use for Windows when I'm out & about , but if I didn't have better tablets Surface would be amazing
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Kilau
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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I already have better PC's than their console. If its PC based and they are not going to have platform limited exclusive games, outside of migrating my gamerscore what's the big selling point here?
I have all the back-compat I need in the form of their series x console and if they are not going to publish a game that I can ONLY play on their platform I don't see a reason to buy the console.
Once their ai machine starts turning their entire xbox content library into stream-able content emulated in wrappers based on generation the only draw they will have is their content service.
I think this is going to be an uphill fight for them and one that they are already planning to abdicate to AIB's.
I have all the back-compat I need in the form of their series x console and if they are not going to publish a game that I can ONLY play on their platform I don't see a reason to buy the console.
Once their ai machine starts turning their entire xbox content library into stream-able content emulated in wrappers based on generation the only draw they will have is their content service.
I think this is going to be an uphill fight for them and one that they are already planning to abdicate to AIB's.
Tobimacoss
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One SKU for each separate ecosystem. The Windows SDK is used for Epic/Steam with separate store SDKs.
One of the GDC presentations is taking a PC build and creating a GDK version (Xbox ecosystem) in one day.
Asha stated "build once and reach everywhere without compromise".
So the goal is one version for Xbox that will run on Desktops, Laptops, Tablets, Handhelds, Consoles, Cloud, and then the Handhelds and Consoles get fixed spec presets to Optimize for.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
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Then no. Good....thought you had really lost it and was implying cross buy across all stores.
I'll be interested to see if Steam goes along with this.
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hououinkyouma00
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I know it's gonna be expensive, but if the performance is a noticeable upgrade over my 5600x/4070S PC and it's not more expensive then me building a new PC then I'm in.
Consider me part of the hype train.
Consider me part of the hype train.
Topher
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I know it's gonna be expensive, but if the performance is a noticeable upgrade over my 5600x/4070S PC and it's not more expensive then me building a new PC then I'm in.
Consider me part of the hype train.
I might consider it at some point if I can install Linux on it
Kacho
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Knucklepux
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They never once mentioned going back to exclusives…. All that was said was "hear you" in a response to someone stating that exclusives should return
Also, the only exclusives that they're gonna push is Windows/Xbox store exclusives like Epic or Steam has
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
I wonder if Microsoft will try to lock it down or not. I say try as with basically everything I'm sure someone will find a way no matter what.
bitbydeath
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Tobimacoss
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Maybe that's what the other guy misunderstood too. So there are three major ecosystems on next gen Helix hardware. Xbox, Steam, Epic. Steam/Epic already have a universal license, as in single SKU that works everywhere. Xbox ecosystem needs that also, unified licensing, IF devs only have to build single SKU. MS shouldn't let publishers charge for form factors separately.
Btw, MS did expand Play Anywhere, Gamepass licensing to Battle.Net for first party games and those versions work on Linux via Proton.
DeepEnigma
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twilo99
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I don't think they went far enough with the specs.
I was expecting 350w minimum pushing GTA at 120 frames for ~$1200 but not gonna work out that way
Topher
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It's Windows DRM so that makes sense. Yeah, I use Battle.net on Linux all the time to play Starcraft. Works well. Not sure how long that well last though.
Topher
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Linux=
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Tobimacoss
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The Premium Console is AT2 with 68 CUs. There are two chips (GPU dies) more powerful, AT0 with 192 CUs, and AT1 with 96 CUs. AT0 is for xCloud, that GPU will likely be split into 2-4 instances. AT1 could be used for Xbox PCs that have no constraints, let the OEMs go wild. We don't yet know if only the Consoles will have BC, or the entire portfolio will have BC, basically anything running Magnus.
I could see it like:
Magnus AT4 Console for $549
(APU also used for Handhelds)
Magnus AT3 Console for $849
(APU also used for Gaming Laptops)
Magnus AT2 Console for $1199
(APU also used for Elite/Pro Consoles or PCs)
Magnus AT1 PC for $2k
lastmessiah
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Seems like this will be the more high-powered "PC under your TV" option.
Shogmaster
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Guys, Helix is gonna sit right between PS6 ($600+) and your OEM gaming PCs at BestBuy ($1700+). Basically any gaming PC using 9070XT starts around $1700.
If you can buy something more powerful than that for $1000~1200, most ppl who eould pick up a prebuilt gaming PC at BestBuy would jump at that. Add to that XBox BC, and bunch of optimized PC games for YOUR rig? Its very tantalizing.
If you can buy something more powerful than that for $1000~1200, most ppl who eould pick up a prebuilt gaming PC at BestBuy would jump at that. Add to that XBox BC, and bunch of optimized PC games for YOUR rig? Its very tantalizing.
AmuroChan
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Will devs even make an XBox sku of their game?
FalsettoVibe
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So, it's fairly clear why Sony is stopping porting single player games to PC......
Now, will Xbox stop putting their games on PlayStation and Nintendo consoles?
Now, will Xbox stop putting their games on PlayStation and Nintendo consoles?