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[Skifi28]

If Xbox cancels the FH6 PS5 port. I'll bet you guys will all say, "smart move by Xbox, they need to prioritize their console. They are dying".....right?

They can certainly do what they like with their games, but it's not dying, it's dead and buried so I see little point in switching back to exclusivity after the fact. Per Phil himself, exclusives like Forza or Starfield were not moving the needle even back then, what would be the point of trying once more now?

 

[DeepEnigma]

PCMR.................

PSSR…………….

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Makes sense, Sony and Nintendo should publish for their systems only, they have a large enough eco system and it adds to their console value in significant ways.

It does suck though, since these games suit PC. Rift Apart was awesome on PC.

 

[demigod]

Someone is trying to bring that back

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

 

[MMaRsu]

Lol @ thinking Xbox is failing because of porting games

Its not like theyve squandered the last two generations entirely

 

[Skifi28]

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

Wait, what? How did I miss this?

 

[Deficit]

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

How much is a plane ticket to India?

 

[RaZoR No1]

They can certainly do what they like with their games, but it's not dying, it's dead and buried so I see little point in switching back to exclusivity after the fact. Per Phil himself, exclusives like Forza or Starfield were not moving the needle even back then, what would be the point of trying once more now?

Only effect I could see is, that the PS5 owners got a taste of Forza Horizon 5 and would like to play FH6 on Xbox or PC, if there is no PS5 release.

But this would only count for Forza.. And maybe later for Halo / Gears.
Other exclusives I could think of would be maybe Flight Sim, but anyone who really wants to dig into it, would play it on PC

 

[bender]

Even when it came to acquiring users for the PSN, they failed miserably. Nobody has problems with accounts, since many games have them nowadays. But the idiotic fact that the PSN only works in certain countries has limited players from even being able to create an account. Sony is run by idiots.

Stellar Blade PC release blocked on Steam in over 120 countries, surprising even its developer

Stellar Blade will release on PC on 11th June, but its availability on Steam has been blocked in over 120 countries, su…

www.eurogamer.net

The Last Of Us Part II will require a PSN account to play on PC, making it unplayable in over 100 countries

You'll need to link to a PlayStation Network account to play The Last Of Us Part II on PC, say Sony, reviving an annoyance that excludes 100+ countries.

www.rockpapershotgun.com

Regarding prices, here's a table for us to analyze:

Game	PC (Steam)	PS4 (full)	PS5 (full)	PS5 Promo at PC Launch	Delay (Console to PC)
Days Gone	$39.99	$39.99	$49.99 (Remastered)	$29.99	2 years 1 month
God of War (2018)	$49.99	$49.99	$49.99 (via PS4)	$39.99	3 years 9 months
Horizon Zero Dawn: Complete Ed.	$49.99	$49.99	$49.99 (Remastered)	$39.99	3 years 5 months
Horizon Forbidden West: Comp. Ed.	$59.99	$49.99	$49.99	$39.99	2 years 1 month
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered	$59.99	-	$49.99	$49.99	3 years 11 months
The Last of Us Part I	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	7 months
Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut	$59.99	$69.99	$69.99	$49.99	3 years 10 months
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	2 years 1 month
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales	$49.99	$49.99	$49.99	$39.99	2 years
Marvel's Spider-Man 2	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	1 year 3 months
Sackboy: A Big Adventure	$59.99	$59.99	$59.99	$49.99	1 year 11 months
LEGO Horizon Adventures	$39.99	-	$39.99	-	Simultaneous
God of War Ragnarök	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	1 year 10 months
The Last of Us Part II Remastered	$49.99	-	$49.99	$39.99	1 year 2 months
Helldivers 2	$39.99	-	$39.99	-	Simultaneous
Stellar Blade	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	1 year 2 months
Until Dawn (Remake)	$59.99	-	$59.99	-	Simultaneous
Returnal	$59.99	-	$69.99	$49.99	1 year 10 months
Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection	$49.99	$49.99	$49.99	$39.99	9 months
Helldivers: Dive Harder Edition	$19.99	$19.99	$19.99 (via PS4)	N/A	4 days
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture	$19.99	$19.99	$19.99 (via PS4)	N/A	8 months
Lost Soul Aside	$59.99	-	$59.99	-	Simultaneous

Overall, PC games seem more expensive, partly because due to the release delay between console and PC, the console version had already received good discounts.



I don't know where they got those numbers from. Steam doesn't publish that kind of data. It used to be possible to get an idea with Steam Spy, but Steam has limited its API.
Even if those were the numbers, it would still be high for a game that was completely broken at launch and remained so for months. Even Digital Foundry didn't analyze the game because it was so broken.
Furthermore, considering the cost of the port, it would still be extremely profitable. They don't need millions of units sold like with the PS5 to recoup the cost.

Walking the dog, but regarding pricing, I was talking about introductory pricing. Days gone launched at 60 and 70/80 (forgot what digital deluxe was). If you launch years later on PC at the current reduced console pricing, that's going to cause more attrition from user base. Thanks for the chart though.

 

[demigod]

How much is a plane ticket to India?

No idea, why?

 

[demigod]

Wait, what? How did I miss this?

Platform  Post in thread 'Marathon Sever Slam rated 3.06/5 (11k+ ratings) in PSN store, lower than Concord'

Mar 1, 2026

Do we have the ability to ban ourselves or delete our accounts? I guess I could still do a bet with him and rely on him having some sense of honor

So what do you say demigod do we have a bet

Otherwise let me know next time you're in SoCal and we can do @EviLore suggestion

Come to texas, i'll kick your ass any day. Dallas area.

• demigod

• 
• 

 

[Deficit]

No idea, why?

Just a joke lol

 

[nial]

don't ever change, man...

sure, my man...

 

[Topher]

You're right it is absurd to be ok with one and not the other, I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you on why more people buying and playing games is a good thing, you're clearly a plastic box tribalist, otherwise cheering for this makes no sense, it doesn't lead to more sales, it doesn't lead to better games, it just leads to less people playing something.

I've stated before that I'm not completely in favor or against this. The one caveat, in my mind, is that PlayStation output and quality have potentially suffered due to focusing on too many efforts other than games. Correcting that would justify this to me. That's not about silly plastic boxes since you seem to only think in those terms (who is the tribal one again?). It is, in fact, about "better games".

Either way, it doesn't make a lick of sense to pair up folks talking about features in one thread with people talking about exclusives in another. But if you are making your rounds wagging your finger at folks who want exclusives to be a thing then you've got a lot of work to do and not just in the PlayStation camp.

 

[PropellerEar]

Just a joke lol

 

[Brucey]

Outsourced the shills because Xbox division is so broke?

 

[NickFire]

Also some idiots saying this wont make PC players switch to PS... have you ever thought that this is much more about stopping PS players from switching to PC? Cause that's the path they were heading with launching their games there.

I could easily see Sony being worried that Xbox (Magnus) could be perceived as the only console that plays MS, Steam and PS (as extension of Steam on Magnus). Could definitely lose some people there.

 

[Gaiff]

Are you implying you pirated those games?

Another pirate ousting himself, oof.

No. He could have just torrented them.

 

[laynelane]

Clearly that's not the concrete case some think it is.

It's interesting to see the sheer number of comments from people who apparently know more about Sony's finances and other data than Sony itself - not just in this topic but spread out over multiple ones over the years.

 

[Orbital2060]

Just a random thought, but how does this align with how Sony earlier has stated that they are moving towards a multi platform approach?

Is that no longer the case?

But arguably the most interesting tidbit, at least for gamers, came from the subsequent Q&A with investors, where Sadahiko Hayakawa, Senior Vice President in charge of Finance and IR at Sony, said:

In the gaming business, we are moving away from a hardware centric business model more to a platform business that expands the community and increases engagement.

Sony Executive Confirms That PlayStation Is Moving Away from the Hardware Business Toward a Platform Business

A Sony executive has confirmed that PlayStation is moving away from the hardware business model to a platform model focused on engagement.

wccftech.com

 

[jm89]

Just a random thought, but how does this align with how Sony earlier has stated that they are moving towards a multi platform approach?

Is that no longer the case?

Sony Executive Confirms That PlayStation Is Moving Away from the Hardware Business Toward a Platform Business

A Sony executive has confirmed that PlayStation is moving away from the hardware business model to a platform model focused on engagement.

wccftech.com

According to nate the hate the decision was made late last year. So these comments would predate the shift.

 

[adamsapple]

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

 

[DryvBy]

Nothing lost.

Watch out, bro. The mechanical keyboards don't do well with tears and I'd hate for you to pay another $700 for a keyboard.

 

[CowboyLou]

Platform  Post in thread 'Marathon Sever Slam rated 3.06/5 (11k+ ratings) in PSN store, lower than Concord'

Mar 1, 2026

Do we have the ability to ban ourselves or delete our accounts? I guess I could still do a bet with him and rely on him having some sense of honor

So what do you say demigod do we have a bet

Otherwise let me know next time you're in SoCal and we can do @EviLore suggestion

Come to texas, i'll kick your ass any day. Dallas area.

• demigod

• 
• 

Damn, I guess Marathon wasn't the only thing getting "slammed" in that thread.

 

[Orbital2060]

According to nate the hate the decision was made late last year. So these comments would predate the shift.

Its a short time span to have changed your position so fundamentally on this issue.

I also thought a focus on multiplatfrom was the goal with Amethyst; to expand their technology to different kinds of AMD driven hardware. Cerny mentions desktops, laptops, and consoles. But I maybe misunderstand what that is about, and its not about games?

Mark Cerny talks Project Amethyst, future Sony hardware: "You have indeed spotted the win!"

We had questions, Sony's lead architect has answers.

www.digitalfoundry.net

I dont think I will take this seriously until there is an official confirmation from a Sony exec.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Its a short time span to have changed your position so fundamentally on this issue.

I also thought a focus on multiplatfrom was the goal with Amethyst; to expand their technology to different kinds of AMD driven hardware. Cerny mentions desktops, laptops, and consoles. But I maybe misunderstand what that is about, and its not about games?

Mark Cerny talks Project Amethyst, future Sony hardware: "You have indeed spotted the win!"

We had questions, Sony's lead architect has answers.

www.digitalfoundry.net

I dont think I will take this seriously until there is an official confirmation from a Sony exec.

Maybe Sony did Project Amethyst to help make it easier for Xbox ports, lol.

 

[bender]

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

I'd donate. Hope he has higher tier goals for use of weapons.

 

[Brucey]

I'd donate. Hope he has higher tier goals for use of weapons.

 

[poppabk]

I dont think I will take this seriously until there is an official confirmation from a Sony exec.

Its probably true, but the hedge your bets language makes me slightly skeptical.

 

[Shubh_C63]

I bet their surveys showed just how few people really wanted a PS6 when every shit out there except Nintendo is coming to PC.

 

[bender]

I dont think I will take this seriously until there is an official confirmation from a Sony exec.

If it is true, I wouldn't expect official confirmation from Sony. No reason to ruffle feathers and potentially damage future releases.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Guy I collect VHS tapes wants to fight me but wants me to foot the bill to meet up with him, dumbest shit i've ever heard. Maybe he can start a gofundme so he can fly to me instead. Too bad it wasn't bumblebeetuna since he lives around the area.

PLACE YOUR BETS PEOPLE.

Or maybe settle it by playing a video game together 1 vs 1? What a novel concept on a videogame message board..

 

[bender]

Or maybe settle it by playing a video game together 1 vs 1? What a novel concept on a videogame message board..

 

[Orbital2060]

If it is true, I wouldn't expect official confirmation from Sony. No reason to ruffle feathers and potentially damage future releases.

It puts the Amethyst deal with AMD in a strange position if they are moving away from multiplatform releases. But maybe I misunderstood what its about, and its not about multiplatform Sony games but the tech that Cerny talks about. developing for AMD. If they have changed their mind on Amethyst, they would have to come out and make a statement on it.

 

[Kacho]

This will definitely come up during the next investor call if Sony doesn't clarify beforehand.

 

[bender]

It puts the Amethyst deal with AMD in a strange position if they are moving away from multiplatform releases. But maybe I misunderstood what its about, and its not about multiplatform Sony games but the tech that Cerny talks about. developing for AMD. If they have changed their mind on Amethyst, they would have to come out and make a statement on it.

I don't see the strange position, just two business partners learning from each other and taking advantage of each other's strengths.

This will definitely come up during the next investor call if Sony doesn't clarify beforehand.

We look forward to our continued support of the PC platform with releases like Horizons Hunter Gathering and Fairgame$.

 

[BlackTron]

We take away the SP games, but pls buy our gaas slop!

They can frame a single player as the type of quality title only available on PlayStation, without the same unnecessary risk limiting a gaas game from imploding from lack of users, or even wanting their brand more closely associated with "slop" lol

 

[BlackTron]

But if the ports stop, Xbox Magnus users will have nothing to play.

Sony just kept the port plans up long enough for Microsoft to go all in believing this was a two way street!

But it's okay, PS6 owners will have Halo in 4k and Magnus owners can rest easy knowing they have the same remake in 8k

 

[bender]

Sony just kept the port plans up long enough for Microsoft to go all in believing this was a two way street!

But it's okay, PS6 owners will have Halo in 4k and Magnus owners can rest easy knowing they have the same remake in 8k

No matter who wins, we all lose. Got it.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

Guess I'm not playing anymore Sony published games.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I bet their surveys showed just how few people really wanted a PS6 when every shit out there except Nintendo is coming to PC.

For me personally they better start bringing out those killer SP games I loved them for or I wont have a use for the PS6 either

 

[Katatonic]

 

[Topher]

For me personally they better start bringing out those killer SP games I loved them for or I wont have a use for the PS6 either

That's the trade off I'm hoping for with this. That might be naive, but Sony needs to get back to what they are good at. It ain't PC ports with their track record. It damn sure ain't live service. Kick ass single player games.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

This is a shame, even though I've disliked a lot of the stuff Sony has put out in recent years, like for example I don't give a shit about Ghost of Yotei, but it's nice having the option.

At least if I finally do wind up getting a PS5 for GTA6 that will take the sting out of it a bit less because there will also be whatever Sony puts out for the remainder of the gen (assuming it will be anything good of course)

 

[bender]

For me personally they better start bringing out those killer SP games I loved them for or I wont have a use for the PS6 either

It's been Gran Turismo Station for me since Sony put a bullet in Team Ico and Clap Hanz.

 

[bitbydeath]

Just a random thought, but how does this align with how Sony earlier has stated that they are moving towards a multi platform approach?

Is that no longer the case?

Sony Executive Confirms That PlayStation Is Moving Away from the Hardware Business Toward a Platform Business

A Sony executive has confirmed that PlayStation is moving away from the hardware business model to a platform model focused on engagement.

wccftech.com

Being from finance it's probably referring to how they measure data. The change being measuring data from engagement perspectives as opposed to hardware.

 

[sainraja]

I think Sony saw how releasing on PC ultimately affected Xbox (the console) and want to avoid the same fate.

 

[Topher]

Just a random thought, but how does this align with how Sony earlier has stated that they are moving towards a multi platform approach?

Is that no longer the case?

Sony Executive Confirms That PlayStation Is Moving Away from the Hardware Business Toward a Platform Business

A Sony executive has confirmed that PlayStation is moving away from the hardware business model to a platform model focused on engagement.

wccftech.com

Edit: actually....I'm not sure what they are saying here, but I don't think it is about other gaming consoles and such.

 

[Gaiff]

I think Sony saw how releasing on PC ultimately affected Xbox (the console) and want to avoid the same fate.

Just took them years to realize this.

The ports flopped. That's one of the key reasons along with PC increasingly encroaching in on their turf.

 

[demigod]

Damn, I guess Marathon wasn't the only thing getting "slammed" in that thread.

I dont know why he tagged me into that thread since i dont give a rats ass about Marathon flopping.