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[Horseganador]

It's the right decision, starting to release your first single-player games only on Playstation. Devaluing the brand to end up like Xbox just to sell a few more copies was stupid. Now, the same people who were asking for those PC ports will say that Sony's games are garbage, predictable.

 

[PeteBull]

Lara doesnt manhandles men in TR games afaik, at least i didnt see it in ones i played Mr Moose

 

[Light_Crusader25]

I really hope this doesn't mean anything bad for Nixxes.

Don't think so. They, having remastered Horizon Zero Dawn, will be put on such tasks (remasters/remakes), in addition to helping with other studios' output (they are lending a hand with Saros). They would also cost less to fund than Bluepoint, imo.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

According to this site they don't release games so who cares. Also we've already seen how much revenue they will lose and it's barely anything.

Sony has made at least $2.3 billion selling first-party games on PC and Xbox

New data released by Sony indicates that the company has generated a cumulative total of at least $2.3 billion from selling games on PC & Xbox platforms.

www.tweaktown.com

Xbox is included but regardless $2.3 billion is nothing to sneeze at considering they lost over $3 billion in the PS3 era.

 

[PeteBull]

 

[calico]

Would Sony comment on something like this? They communicated early on that not necessarily every game would be coming to PC and that they'd evaluate games individually. Not releasing games anymore was always a possibility.

Sure, but we are apparently talking about a clear, discernible change in strategy, not just a continuation of 'some games will and some games won't'.

If this results in people waiting for certain games they expected to come to PC (an expectation created by Sony's previous strategy whether they like it or not) to come to PC, but they are now in fact never coming to PC, I do not see what the benefit is to Sony in not communicating that.

It seems to me Sony would want to communicate that so those people interested would know to stop waiting and go buy a PS5, and so that the unicorn gamer who is currently deciding between buying a PS5 or a PC -and for whom PS exclusives would be a determining factor in that decision- would be encouraged towards PS5.

I guess one explanation could be they are not that confident about it, and do not want to state it openly themselves and then risk a repeat of 'only on playstation' if they discover the new strategy is a net negative and they need to reverse it later.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I have a mixed feelings about this.

On one side. This actually makes me want to go and buy PlayStation pro again and actually go back to the PlayStation eco system. It's making the PlayStation to me and essential product to buy .

On the other hand. It sucks not being able these games on high frame rates ultra graphics .

 

[Zathalus]

The line is drawn to fit your argument, there is no realism in either case. Many of the Mongol fodder in Tsushima are twice Jin's size but you don't have a problem with him killing them back to back. Unless we're talking about simulators, suspension of disbelief is always required in games where the protagonist has slaughtered thousands by the end of the game, be it male or female. Choosing to call one realistic while dismissing the other only shows how biased you are which you will not admit as we've had this discussion many times before.

Getting stabbed with a Katana is alright as long as it is a woman.

 

[Skifi28]

None of it is realistic but like i said again, gotta be somewhat believable withing the rules of the world, even in those videogamey words females are much weaker physically from adult men so if they wanna win/kill males they gotta use tactics, not brute strenght, look how well they did ellie vs david fight in first tlou, completely 100% believable, even tho ellie was young teenager back then:


No1 bat an eye on that or deemed it unrealistic, we all loved that shit and hell ellie killing him instead of 1 slash from joel made this fight even more epic and canonical, we remember this 12years later like it was yesterday coz it was so well made, ellie was basically a prey who needed tons of luck and use all possible tools at her disposal to kill literall predator, she wasnt strong independend bossbabe who 1shots/manhandles adult males.

That was a heavily scripted boss fight, a good chunk of it was cutscenes with button prompts. If you want the entirety of a 50 hour action game to play like that and not have, you know, fun action gameplay in order to feel more realism then you do you. I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore though. If you puruse any form of realism, quasi or not, you shouldn't be playing any of these games regardless of the protagonist's gender as they all fail in that regard.

 

[Pedro Motta]

You are the one who made the assertion that it is woke. It's up to you to back it up. I thought you didn't play the game.

How does someone explain the absence of something other than it's not there? It's on you to provide where there are examples of wokeness.

Why are you guys asking for explanations from a guy that is showing his nipples on an internet forum full of old men and also calls them "Papitos"? lol

 

[mayham2199]

Sony has made at least $2.3 billion selling first-party games on PC and Xbox

New data released by Sony indicates that the company has generated a cumulative total of at least $2.3 billion from selling games on PC & Xbox platforms.

www.tweaktown.com

Xbox is included but regardless $2.3 billion is nothing to sneeze at considering they lost over $3 billion in the PS3 era.

Most of that is from Hell divers 2 and those games are still coming over. This 2.3 billion accounted for like 1.5% of their total revenue over the same period. It's nothing.

 

[Gonzito]

Wait, you were serious about a woman killing hundreds of men? Lmao. You should just stop consuming all types of entertainment than. It's a videogame, it's not trying to rewrite history.

No

There are plenty of games where the main character is a woman who can take on men, like Tomb Raider and I have no issue with that at all.

My concern with Ghost of Yōtei is different. It's presented as being set in historical Japan, during a period when women did not have the same rights, status, or social roles they do today. In that historical context, portraying a woman as a lone samurai or warrior cutting down groups of men feels inconsistent with the social realities of the time.

So the issue isn't with a female protagonist in general, it's about historical authenticity and whether that portrayal fits the specific era the game is trying to represent

This is the problem with you man, you just want to attack people and don't listen.

 

[PeteBull]

Exactly, and thats valid reason why female protags in games based on reality setting mostly dont work, u can accept female protag in action game manhandling males if she has superpowers/cultivation/auras/magic/witchcraft/is cyborg and such, but if she is regular human female she wont be able to handle males simply coz of huge gap in physical strenght.
Edit: Tons of ppl didnt like she-hulk tv series, i did tho, coz it was realistic in its own world(it didnt break its own rules).
Here she fights bunch of thugs literally manhandling them but its solid, for the reason her being she hulk aka basically superwoman vs regular earthlings:

 

[The_hunter]

They should have released all the good ones. I bet GT and DS Remake would have done great. How did Returnal and Stellar Blade do?

What (I believe) doesn't work on PC is the usual Sony movie-game and/or open-world stuff. People are already tired of those games I think.

Returnal did very poorly with 6k CCU. That one was a surprise as rogue likes are popular on PC.

Stellar blade did quite well with 190k. It's a souls-like and has a hot character, but also PC gaming is a lot more popular in Korea.

 

[mayham2199]

No

There are plenty of games where the main character is a woman who can take on men, like Tomb Raider and I have no issue with that at all.

My concern with Ghost of Yōtei is different. It's presented as being set in historical Japan, during a period when women did not have the same rights, status, or social roles they do today. In that historical context, portraying a woman as a lone samurai or warrior cutting down groups of men feels inconsistent with the social realities of the time.

So the issue isn't with a female protagonist in general, it's about historical authenticity and whether that portrayal fits the specific era the game is trying to represent

This is the problem with you man, you just want to attack people and don't listen.

It's video games man you're taking this shit way to seriously. I hate the woke crap to but holy shit it has to be depressing looking this deep into things.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Tbf, the only single player game that did significant numbers for Sony was Stellar Blade. In fact, it got a higher CCU than several of the biggest franchises like Horizon, The Last of Us, and God of War, and that's including the sequels as well lol. The only other game that would have gotten better numbers would have been Bloodborne but that doesn't look like that's happening, so this isn't too surprising. Outside of Stellar Booty they've been mostly treading waters when it comes to single player PC releases.

Incidentally, stellar blade is the only one out of that list of games to have denuvo at launch. Wonder why having a drm to protect against piracy increases games sales?

 

[Simpdimples]

from a business perspective there's def a discussion to be had,
but i dont think too many pc gamers will be losing sleep missing out on nu sony's safe bland california diahrea

 

[MisterXDTV]

PCMR told me it was impossible

Sony made so much money from Steam PC Games

LOL

 

[TintoConCasera]

Returnal did very poorly with 6k CCU.

Stellar blade did quite well with 190k. It's a souls-like and has a hot character, but also PC gaming is a lot more popular in Korea.

Well shit, I would have thought Returnal did better considering all the praise it gets. I still want to play it at some point but it's not like I'm on a rush.

But yeah between Stellar Blade and Helldivers 2 I think their games can do pretty well on PC. It's just that, imo, they didn't release the "correct" ones, basically the ones PC gamers have been wanting to play for quite a while like DS Remake or Gran Turismo.

In any case, not a big loss at least for me. Wonder if they'll ever reconsider.

 

[Zacfoldor]

If you are nice to Sony fans then Sony will probably put them back on PC in the future(2-3 years or less). If you acknowledge that you wish the games would not leave perhaps Sony will listen.

If you pretend like you are glad they are gone Sony may never come back.

We tend to believe our own behavior has no impact.

We believe a lot of wrong shit. If you wanted Wolverine you need to say it, not pretend like you don't care.

It's okay to feel. I will say it. I want Wolverine on PC. So more people can play it. It's probably gonna be good. Since I have been here I have had wins and losses. The losses are funner. I learn from them and I grow. This should be your fucking TIME PC gamers. Don't be false, be true. Tell us and Sony they are fucking up. Fight. This whole "we don't care" teenage angst isn't going to work out for anybody and it is the worst move.

 

[Humdinger]

I'm a PS5-only guy who was considering a Steam Machine, but I think I'll stay put with PS5 Pro. I was already concerned about Steam Machine's power, but if it'll also lack Sony exclusives, I'll just stay put on Playstation.

 

[Elginer]

It wasn't

 

[jm89]

Go buy marathon pc gamers, you might convince sony to go back

 

[Gonzito]

It's video games man you're taking this shit way to seriously. I hate the woke crap to but holy shit it has to be depressing looking this deep into things.

I am trying to explain why I think Yotei is woke, some people dont think that way and they want an explanation so and I am giving one. I am not looking that deep into things, I am just explaining what I think. It really sticks out to have a female warrior in this period in Japan.

Its simple as that and the fact that Sony is pushing women as protagonists constantly is not a coincidence but an agenda. Its clear to me

 

[Critical Hit]

Sony is being consistently releasing mediocre and woke games lately so they can keep their games to themselves

I dont give a shit

I had high hopes for Barlog's Egypt GoW, but after latest news about the project I don't give a shit too. Will play Astrobot on shadps5.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Guess we are not vastly approaching Day 1 - Day and Date™, eh?

 

[GymWolf]

Too bad, it was always nice to have a replay without graphic compromises with some of their titles.

But i guess it's better to be completely in like M or completely out like N than what they were doing.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Jez article coming up in the next 3 hours:

"Xbox Magnus scared Sony so much, they dropped PC support"

 

[gerth666]

Yotei wasn't woke? Oh man

Why is yotei woke? Because it has a female protagonist?
It's not woke at all, you've clearly not played it

 

[MisterXDTV]

Guess we are not vastly approaching Day 1 - Day and Date™, eh?

"It's just a matter of time"

SonyToo

 

[Topher]

 

[Gonzito]

Why is yotei woke? Because it has a female protagonist?
It's not woke at all, you've clearly not played it

I have, for almost 30 hours before I got tired of the repetitiveness

 

[PeteBull]

If you are nice to Sony fans then Sony will probably put them back on PC in the future(2-3 years or less). If you acknowledge that you wish the games would not leave perhaps Sony will listen.

If you pretend like you are glad they are gone Sony may never come back.

We tend to believe our own behavior has no impact.

We believe a lot of wrong shit. If you wanted Wolverine you need to say it, not pretend like you don't care.

It's okay to feel. I will say it. I want Wolverine on PC. So more people can play it. It's probably gonna be good.

Personally i love high budget AAA sony games, always did (till very recent few exceptions) so will never play pretend i wont buy/play them- as long as quality is there i will happily buy sony console and play it there, at launch full price too ofc(in that case with ps6 being so close around the corner and likely having super enhanced backwards compatibility i will wait for that instead of going with outdated ps5/pr0).

Sony has full right to keep its exclusives as true exclusives, it adds value to their platform and makes more ppl buy playstation consoles- its exactly opposite to what microsoft did with xbox so obviously its good for sony's business, my 2 cents even tho i dont own current gen playstation atm, i still gotta side with logics/sony here.

 

[demigod]

No

There are plenty of games where the main character is a woman who can take on men, like Tomb Raider and I have no issue with that at all.

My concern with Ghost of Yōtei is different. It's presented as being set in historical Japan, during a period when women did not have the same rights, status, or social roles they do today. In that historical context, portraying a woman as a lone samurai or warrior cutting down groups of men feels inconsistent with the social realities of the time.

So the issue isn't with a female protagonist in general, it's about historical authenticity and whether that portrayal fits the specific era the game is trying to represent

This is the problem with you man, you just want to attack people and don't listen.

I am trying to explain why I think Yotei is woke, some people dont think that way and they want an explanation so and I am giving one. I am not looking that deep into things, I am just explaining what I think. It really sticks out to have a female warrior in this period in Japan.

Its simple as that and the fact that Sony is pushing women as protagonists constantly is not a coincidence but an agenda. Its clear to me

It's amazing how you keep calling this game woke yet don't have the same energy for Assassins Creed.

 

[Nvzman]

If this is going hand-in-hand with Sony downsizing their studios and controlling budgets to not be insane, this is ultimately the right move. Consoles live and die on exclusives, history has shown time and time again. Nobody gives a fuck that your platform can play Call of Duty at slightly higher resolution than the other box if you have nothing distinct about it.

 

[Generic]

The real reason is because the next Xbox will run PC games. It's also why they released Lego Horizon on everything except Xbox.

 

[mayham2199]

I am trying to explain why I think Yotei is woke, some people dont think that way and they want an explanation so and I am giving one. I am not looking that deep into things, I am just explaining what I think. It really sticks out to have a female warrior in this period in Japan.

Its simple as that and the fact that Sony is pushing women as protagonists constantly is not a coincidence but an agenda. Its clear to me

I think we just have different levels of tolerance. To me none of this is woke and I don't care about women protagonists. Just like I didn't care when it was nothing but male protagonists.. You could barely find a game (good game) that had a female protagonists at one point. I just want to play fun video games and I don't care if I'm a man or women.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Where's that user that game me a huge list of Playstation games that will for sure go to PC? He kept showing the same damn list over and over again just a week lmao

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony is being consistently releasing mediocre and woke games lately so they can keep their games to themselves

I dont give a shit

Papasito, Everyone but a very, very small handful of western AAA and the Indie/Asian scene were releasing woke slop.

This is dumb, PC bros aren't gonna buy a PS5

That's not the point. It's about not devaluing your console brand which Sony cares about and is a pillar to their company. It's also about not having games on a race to devaluation of the industry box with MSFT.

 

[Pyramid Song]

we back, babe

 

[Fbh]

Makes sense I guess.
I think their 2 options were going all in on PC with day 1 releases, or going back to a more conservative console exclusive model (except for GAAS stuff).
While games staying multiplatform is better for gamers, I think the exclusivity option is safer for Sony.

 

[RAIDEN1]

Microsoft doesn't give a shit, they just want to sell their stuff. So should Sony.

Yeah but Sony are selling their stuff, they have their most successful console selling tens time if not more than their nearest competitor in these past 5 years, they aren't desperate for the PC market...not as if Sony needs all the help it can get

 

[EN250]

 

[Mr Moose]

I have, for almost 30 hours before I got tired of the repetitiveness

What were your thoughts on Tsushima?

 

[kruis]

The real reason is because the next Xbox will run PC games. It's also why they released Lego Horizon on everything except Xbox.

This. The Xbox PC would be marketed and sold as a console and it would be able to run every game Sony ported to PC.

 

[Fess]

This needs to be an official statement. It would make the upcoming Saros release so much easier. I've stopped double dipping so if I knew for sure that a PC release won't come I could safely go in on the Pro right away.

 

[Skifi28]

No

There are plenty of games where the main character is a woman who can take on men, like Tomb Raider and I have no issue with that at all.

My concern with Ghost of Yōtei is different. It's presented as being set in historical Japan, during a period when women did not have the same rights, status, or social roles they do today. In that historical context, portraying a woman as a lone samurai or warrior cutting down groups of men feels inconsistent with the social realities of the time.

So the issue isn't with a female protagonist in general, it's about historical authenticity and whether that portrayal fits the specific era the game is trying to represent

This is the problem with you man, you just want to attack people and don't listen.

Ehh, you're thinking about this too hard. The game is heavily inspired by classic films like Lady Snowblood, the concept of a woman out for revenge and killing men in the late 1800s is neither new nor woke. It's fine if you don't like it, but the woke argument is really weak. The game is obviously going for the classic Japanese cinematic style rather than realism/authenticity in the time period.

 

[jm89]

This needs to be an official statement. It would make the upcoming Saros release so much easier. I've stopped double dipping so if I knew for sure that a PC release won't come I could safely go in on the Pro right away.

They have a earnings report next month so if anything probably then.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I can guarantee you this is alpha placeholder assets. And if not, fuck that game then.

 

[MayauMiao]

Can't fault Sony reverting to console only. It was a stupid move that likely hurt their console sales.