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Jason Schreier - The sense I’m getting is that (Sony) is backing away from putting their exclusive console traditional single player stuff on PC

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rodrigolfp said:
Then why should they care about people playing on a "desktop" PC with an Xbox logo??
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They wouldn't. Why would they. Magnus would have been a device that would sell in thousands, not millions. Most gamers wouldn't care too shits about the system, and Sony certainly wouldn't.

If Sony feels that they will get something worthwhile while from porting games to other platforms, then they'll do it.

The thing is, they don't really need to, as PS5 is so much of a juggernaut by itself.
 
People mentioning the Insomnac leak, about Wolverine:

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Sounds like he's also hinting that even Wolverine might not be coming to PC.
 
They are about to launch a handheld that will compete directly with SteamDeck (2)

Why would they release their games on their competitor's store at that point???

LOL
 
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diffusionx said:
It's a mistake to put them on PC, because it degrades the value of the platform, which is in the end the only thing they got. We saw it happen with Microsoft, I don't know why people deny them. I've been saying it for years.

Also, let's be real, after the first couple, the sales haven't been that great on PC, you become a miniscule fish in a massive pond instead of owning the pond entirely, you have to deal with chuds review bombing your game, "bad port" criticisms, pcfat hostility, all this shit. They've been doing this for what 5 years, makes sense to analyze and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.
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I like how you think it degrades the platform, when the excuses fanboys use in claiming Sony should stop their ports is that they don't sell enough on PC...

PC ports aren't affecting Sony's console at all. They've made a lot of money from it. These ports cost nothing to make.
 
Hyet said:
Well, yeah. But the ROI is so big is basically free money. Costs you a port, sells like a AAA new release. Who the hell wouldn't do that given Sony's resources?
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That's the key though. Still put most of the games on PC. Just keep the big tentpole SP titles off so you have SOMETHING to show as a competitive advantage in software.

Like dump Horizon 3 on PC but pour over the contracts and figure out a way to keep Wolverine OFF PC for at least 2 years. That's what Sony should be doing right now.

Of course Kena and Helldivers and all that stuff can go but we need CORE GAMER BAIT to sell PS6 and they need to figure something out.

People telling me they can just wait to get the games on PC, that's bad business and Sony will come to regret that if they don't stem it now somehow.
 
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Ellis said:
They wouldn't. Why would they. Magnus would have been a device that would sell in thousands, not millions. Most gamers wouldn't care too shits about the system, and Sony certainly wouldn't.

If Sony feels that they will get something worthwhile while from porting games to other platforms, then they'll do it.

The thing is, they don't really need to, as PS5 is so much of a juggernaut by itself.
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What Sony has to be worried about is people ditching PS for PC because of Paid MP.

Magnus might even be cheaper in the long run if you take that into account. That is, if you play GAAS games... which is the majority now.
 
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We know that game sales wise this doesn't make much sense.
Perhaps management thinks that for every PC game sale they're losing a potential console hardware sale attached to that?

Which sounds quite dumb, especially in this economy most people won't buy a console just to play one or two exclusives. But who knows.
 
I just don't believe it's true. They just don't announce it months / years in advance anymore like they stupidily were doing before.

They get rid of Bluepoint which were doing exclusives remakes, not Nixxes that are porting their games on PC...

Just for the Insomniac and MLB games they are mandated to release those games on PC.

At some point MS also wanted to make us believe their games would stay exclusives to Xbox / PC. We know how that turned out.
 
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asdasdasdbb said:
What Sony has to be worried about is people ditching PS for PC because of Paid MP.
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People have been saying this since Sony followed Xbox and started charging for MP back in the PS3/360 gen.

It still hasn't happened. I think they're fine lol.
 
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Death stranding 2 being published by SONY on PC is a false flag.
1) it isn't Sonys game.
2) probably tied to their exclusive advertising rights.

If Soros or Yotei makes its way over to PC would be a far better indicator of future plans.
 
Manic27 said:
I like how you think it degrades the platform, when the excuses fanboys use in claiming Sony should stop their ports is that they don't sell enough on PC...

PC ports aren't affecting Sony's console at all. They've made a lot of money from it. These ports cost nothing to make.
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We've seen this happen. Microsoft started putting their games on PC and then people realized they dont need an Xbox anymore, so why buy one.

People need a reason to buy something. Exclusive games is a good reason to buy a console, and it's one (unlike say component prices) that you are fully in control of.
 
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GudOlRub said:
We know that game sales wise this doesn't make much sense.
Perhaps management thinks that for every PC game sale they're losing a potential console hardware sale attached to that?

Which sounds quite dumb, especially in this economy most people won't buy a console just to play one or two exclusives. But who knows.
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I think Wolverine would move a few consoles.

I know GTA would.

Also we are talking just 1 game and they would likely still release it just after 3 years instead of 1 year. They would still be able to sell it on PC.
 
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Manic27 said:
I like how you think it degrades the platform, when the excuses fanboys use in claiming Sony should stop their ports is that they don't sell enough on PC...

PC ports aren't affecting Sony's console at all. They've made a lot of money from it. These ports cost nothing to make.
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I'm buying more games on PC and less on PS5 these days. A few years back it would be 95% PS5.
 
Wasn't it in the leaked Insomniac documents that the marvel games have to go to PC?

I might be remembering wrong though.


Another thing to consider is that Playstation have changed CEOs three times this generation, so the strategy is constantly changing.
 
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Zacfoldor said:
That's the key though. Still put most of the junk on PC. Just keep the big tentpole SP titles off so you have SOMETHING to show as a competitive advantage in software.
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The competitive advantage is not having to deal with PC quirks to play the same games + people who are already invested in each ecosystem are extremely unlikely to drop it. Also, price.
If Sony though they were competing for the same audience they would have never released their games on PC Stores.
 
Hyet said:
The competitive advantage is not having to deal with PC quirks to play the same games + people who are already invested in each ecosystem are extremely unlikely to drop it. Also, price.
If Sony though they were competing for the same audience they would have never released their games on PC Stores.
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Interesting, and this is a point that I 100% agree with.

PC gamers and console gamers are not fungible.

I 100% agree with you.

I just think that management at Sony and Microsoft are too inept to understand that and won't plan around it properly.
 
midnightAI said:
Cool, and I agree it will come it on PC, however, because this isnt a product that has been released then the terms of the contact (given sufficient compensation) could be modified if both parties agree.
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The game is being developed simultaneously for PC. The leak revealed that Insomniac had a playable PC version at least three years ago. That was a very early build tho but still.
At this point I think it would cost more to modify the contract than to release the game after a few months of PS5 exclusivity.

mayham2199 said:
License terms can be changed we know MS changed the terms with Indian Jones. Marvel doesn't care if a game comes to PC, they care if they get paid. Considering Sony has probably over delivered for them I'm sure they are more than happy to adjust the terms for Sony.
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That's not how it work nor that simple. Time will tell anyway.

Zacfoldor said:
Ohh, this is good info. Thank you. I wonder why Scherier said this:

Kirk: Really? You think they could close that door and start to say nevermind Ghost of Tsushima 3 is only going to be on PlayStation?

Jason: I do. I do and I mean even if they don't, we are seeing Wolverine is coming in September 15th, and that's not coming to PC its coming to PlayStation 5 only.

Kirk: You don't think that'll come to PC?

Jason: I wouldn't be surprised if it never came to PC, but even if it does you have a strong idea of what that is and that you need a PlayStation to play it at least for the indefinite future.
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I don't know, but maybe he just picked the wrong example?

I also think Sony is aware that games that "underperform" on PC does so because most of them where older releases. They probably want to see how GOY and, well, Wolverine are performing before taking any final decision.

And PC releases are pretty much free money for Sony anyway. IMO they should do PC release 6/12 months after on console. Day one would be an error, even tho as a PC player I would be happy lol.
 
diffusionx said:
We've seen this happen. Microsoft started putting their games on PC and then people realized they dont need an Xbox anymore, so why buy one.

People need a reason to buy something. Exclusive games is a good reason to buy a console, and it's one (unlike say component prices) that you are fully in control of.
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PlayStation isn't Xbox. We haven't seen PlayStation hardware stop selling due to ports on PC. If that were to happen, then Sony would fuck PC ports off from then on.
 
Exclusives add value to a platform. Depending on their strategy this might still make sense. But they need to find new console players, not continue to migrate the same old 100M to the new gen.
 
KyoZz said:
That's not how it work nor that simple. Time will tell anyway.
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What do you mean that's not how it works? We already know MS did this with Indian Jones. It's been done before. Even if they can't change they can still stop their other games and just be forced to release the Marvel stuff on Steam.
 
Not surprised. PS5 is a baseline for internal SP teams and it's a headache for further PC proting. Plus the PC porting strategy was introduced to lure people into PS5, and considering that PS5 sales are steady and mature enough, it's barely needed outside of GaaS stuff.
 
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Zacfoldor said:
I just think that management at Sony and Microsoft are too inept to understand that and won't plan around it properly.
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I think they know perfectly, and they are both properly using PC to extract more money of games they are already making regardless to sell you on their console (or whatever xbox is doing). They don't see it as "losing users to PC". Because it isn't.
 
The_hunter said:
Wasn't it in the leaked Insomniac documents that the marvel games have to go to PC?

I might be remembering wrong though.


Another thing to consider is that Playstation have changed CEOs three times this generation, so the strategy is constantly changing.
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That's not necessarily indicative of anything though. Much like with the MLB mandating that Sony release The Show Multiplatform to keep the license it's likely the same with Marvel.

Sony isn't going to willingly lose the Marvel license.

IF they are changing their strategy the Marvel games are likely exempt and will follow the normal late port strategy.
 
Did he forget that this game has been in development on pc alongside PS5 since day one?
Or that it was the pc build that got leaked?
Or that Sony doesn't say shit about pc ports until well after the launch of these single player games?
Or that this has been an incredibly lucrative venture?

I'd believe Sony was making a 1st party PSVR2 game before I'd believe this...
 
RavenSan said:
Eh, sure, the ports haven't always been good at launch -- but I think most of them get patched to a good state eventually, unless I'm uninformed. The ones I have have been good (I don't care about Spiderman 2, I know that one was recently bad)
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Forget about that, I'm talking about making significant money.
 
iamvin22 said:
Those are 2nd party titles. Not first party
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There's no difference from Sony's perspective between a 1st and 2nd party title when they own the IP, finance the development and publish the damn thing.
 
The_hunter said:
Wasn't it in the leaked Insomniac documents that the marvel games have to go to PC?

I might be remembering wrong though.


Another thing to consider is that Playstation have changed CEOs three times this generation, so the strategy is constantly changing.
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What that leak says is that they have a LICENCE to release those games on PS5 and PC. Doesn't mention they have to.
 
It won't make me buy a console even if they stop releasing games to PC, and I'm guessing many PC-players think the same.

Would have hoped for a Demon's Souls release for PC by now though, would have bought it, but what can you do.
 
mayham2199 said:
What do you mean that's not how it works? We already know MS did this with Indian Jones. It's been done before. Even if they can't change they can still stop their other games and just be forced to release the Marvel stuff on Steam.
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We don't know the underlying of the contract for Indiana Jones. And what's true for one things might not be for another anyway.

As I said, time will tell 🤷‍♂️
 
If I am gonna pick ps6 over magnus or pc, its gonna be due to hardware capabilities and value. PS6 better be path tracing capable.

Hardly care about exclusives.
 
Sony doesn't typically announce their 1st party releases for PC at the same time of a game announcement like Xbox. They usually stagger that announcement close to a year out. I think Yotei, Saros and Wolverine will definitely come to PC.

Demon's Souls remake I don't think will ever come to PC or Gran Turismo. Actually Surprised MLB hasn't showed up yet, that is on Xbox now as well right? I think it's only a matter of time for that one.
 
Hyet said:
I think they know perfectly, and they are both properly using PC to extract more money of games they are already making regardless to sell you on their console (or whatever xbox is doing). They don't see it as "losing users to PC". Because it isn't.
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well unless schreier is talking out his ass, it sounds like they are starting to see it differently
 
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