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Greg Miller: Phil Spencer retirement was not planned
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reinking
Gold Member
It happens. I posted in another thread anecdotal evidence of a situation that looks similar to what went down here. This makes me think that Microsoft is changing current plans for Xbox. I don't know what that means or how agile they can be, but you do not let Phil and Sarah go to stay the course.
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roosnam1980
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Disciple of MSSP
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FalsettoVibe
Member
Obviously. I also think that Asha will be out of touch and ruin whatever culture is left at Xbox.
MiguelItUp
Member
Clickbait, ragebait, while different the actions are the same. Content creators are all gonna be barking the same shit for clicks and views.
Yeah, exactly, I don't know why people are so shocked about that. Retirement is typically planned and announced in advanced, and this was everything but that, it was way too sudden. Sarah Bond's resignation just feels like a response to his "retirement", which I could certainly understand if it was something she didn't agree with.
Unfortunatecookie
Member
Of course it wasn't planned, but that misses the entire point of his firing.
He was fired because for over 10 years, he failed to make Xbox the #1 product in gaming. You can fault Satya Nadella for a lot of things, but getting rid of Spencer isn't one of them. Nadella made the decision that any rational person would make; you were given close to $100,000,000,000, and you failed to use that money to make a successful product. You've failed on a level that is incomprehensible to 99% of humanity.
Aaron Greenberg is next. You can't be an executive at a trillion dollar company and fail to execute. It sucks to say this, but a bunch of people at Xbox are going to be fired because of Phil Spencer's decisions.
He was fired because for over 10 years, he failed to make Xbox the #1 product in gaming. You can fault Satya Nadella for a lot of things, but getting rid of Spencer isn't one of them. Nadella made the decision that any rational person would make; you were given close to $100,000,000,000, and you failed to use that money to make a successful product. You've failed on a level that is incomprehensible to 99% of humanity.
Aaron Greenberg is next. You can't be an executive at a trillion dollar company and fail to execute. It sucks to say this, but a bunch of people at Xbox are going to be fired because of Phil Spencer's decisions.
PauloRoberto
Member
Obvious... anyone, even here, that believes PS officially talked about retirement last year and/or he and sarah will help on transition are gullible idiots.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
He's old and he probably was against AI, at least privately/internally. Of course you're going to get replaced in a big corpo in 2026 by an AI slave. MS is pretty much dead just like Sony and whatever good games come out of their pockets, its not because of their decisions.
dragonyeuw
Member
We're all on the outside looking in here, but that seems obvious. If this was just a planned 'its time to step down and enjoy life' thing, there would be a few months between the announcement and his last day. Nobody at this level 'retires' at the start of the weekend and is out the door on Monday unless it was a 'retire or be fired' ultimatum.
Sony kills Bluepoint and MS announced this...just a hold my beer moment no doubt,at this point MS is used to it.Friday morning at Xbox HQ,
KaiserBecks
Member
I think they called it retirement out of respect for him having been part of the company pretty much since leaving school. Would've made a better impression though if it didn't happen to be at the same time Sarah Bond was let go.
Ramiro_Rodriguez
Member
But why now and not earlier?
Now they have to deal with Magnus and other important decisions, made by Spencer.
MS was so displeased by Spencer that they fired him. It does tells me enough about Magnus and of the upcoming games.
ChorizoPicozo
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Topher
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Probably Call of Duty performance more than anything. And the mark down in an investment value they reported in gaming
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Because the planned layoffs were due.
Phil either refuse to go through or MS was finally done with the Bullshit called Xbox.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Want people to always burn a source?
Where's the evidence? What even is the actual claim - what does 'not planned' actually mean? That could mean he was suddenly fired or he suddenly retired for personal reasons.
It's so vague as to be meaningless. But it's intriguing and gets people to click on your video. Everyone thinks they know what it means, meanwhile it actually doesn't explain anything.
spookyfish
Gold Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I said what I said and it was a factual statement.
Do you always want to believe extremely vague claims made without evidence?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The thing about Phil that still bothers me - I appreciated that he was a gamer. That this authenticity could lend some benefit to making actual good games from this overly executive-ized industry. It did not pan out that way.
As a gamer, could Phil not realize early in development that some of these games he was previewing were dogshit, and then try to get them on track before release? I feel like he needs to take some responsibility for that. What's the point of having gamers in leadership roles if they're going to greenlight mid-tier slop anyway?
As a gamer, could Phil not realize early in development that some of these games he was previewing were dogshit, and then try to get them on track before release? I feel like he needs to take some responsibility for that. What's the point of having gamers in leadership roles if they're going to greenlight mid-tier slop anyway?
Where is the evidence?
Buddy, open your eyes
Asked where is the evidence, responds with the same question.
I see that you didn't manage to find or point to the evidence.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have reasons to 100% believe what was said here and no I dont want him to burn a source that IF he heard something likely only a few people have heard some keys words
splattered
Member
So what's the gameplan then if Xbox is forging ahead? Obviously not stay the course because this was all Phil's plan along the way. Gamepass, 3rd party publishing, etc.
What changes?
What changes?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
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Is it even worth to be in denial at this point in time?
lol, denial of what? What is the claim being made by this vague comment?
And why do you think I would give a shit whether Phil Spencer is fired or not? Like many, I thought he should have been fired long ago. I also carry no water for Xbox, because I'm just some guy and a gamer and not a fanboy.
ChorizoPicozo
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SHAKEZ
Member
I mean, they do this every other month.
Sorcerer
Member
Was Magnus actually a Phil Spencer idea? I never heard him speak of it; in fact, I think Nadella has spoken of the hybrid console but never Phil himself.
splattered
Member
Naw if they were free falling and honestly didnt care then there wouldn't have been any changes made... something has to be changing for them to even go through the trouble of all of this.
GHG
Member
Come on then genius, given the news that's factually available, what do you believe to be true then?
Why is Phil's effective retirement date Monday? Why did Sarah "resign" with immediate effect and not even get so much as a mention from Satya in his statement? And most importantly, why both of them at exactly the same time?
Topher
Identifies as young
We talked about this already. Is it hard proof? No. But just takes some basic common sense to know this was a firing and not a retirement. I imagine we will get more reporting on this confirming that is the case.
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I think one of the strangest and mostly commonly repeated sentiments here is that Microsoft don't care about Xbox or that it's insignificant because of the larger profits in other areas of the business.
It's an idea that doesn't make any sense but it never dies. Of course the Xbox division matters, they've put so much money into it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Its AI. MS will try to integrate AI into game development.
Depending of their expectations/ambitions, they could be thinking like Azure or Office but for gaming. Or they just simply are using this move to go with the waves of the AI bubble until it pops.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I don't think you need "gamers" as leaders. You need competent leaders who can make the right decision at the right time.
Matt Booty has been responsible for making sure the right games were being made, made well, and released on track. Matt Booty has been shit at his job for over a decade now. Phil should have fired or moved Booty years ago.
Somehow he still has a job.
AI is already being integrated into game development. And that will continue regardless of whether there is an AI bubble and regardless of whether it pops or not.
The technology is never going away. Sorry.
Vyse
Gold Member
Happens quite often in big companies.