Danjin44
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But in the episode this guy doesn't play anything other than WOW.You're talking to him
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Paris
Neo Member
Valve simply has to price it high enough so that the non-gaming PC market doesn't view it as steal in terms of value. Otherwise, it will be bought and used for non-gaming purposes and then they will make no money off of steam sales. It is self defeating for Valve to undercut the price and sell at a loss.
Senua
Member
You're thinking about the origin of the gif too deeply, my child
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
That gif is not exactly good example, that type of gamers are obsessed with one online game and nothing else.
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Zannegan
Member
I'd like one just to have access to my Steam backlog, but I also don't even have time to play the Switch/Switch 2 games I want to, so it's not a "need." $600 is about my limit, or $700 for a two controller bundle (even though local multi on PC is pretty rare). All this to say, I doubt I'll be getting one, slick as it looks.
The Fartist
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Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
700 US dollars (works out to roughly 950 canadian dollars for me) is the most I would pay. If I were to get one. I am not going to be an early adopter. I don't wanna buy this thing and it tanks then forcing valve to cut support eventually. If it gets steam deck like numbers than it's a maybe. Any higher than 700 bucks and then it's a nope, any lower than it's a for sure instead of a maybe.
Pasta la Vista
Member
I would go for it at $700 for the base model. I want to move my PC gaming off windows and I already have a massive Steam library.
Killer8
Member
I would pay $700. Valve said it would be priced comparatively to a similar spec PC. That was before the RAMpocalypse though, so you have to give them a couple hundred dollars wiggle room here, because EVERYTHING has gone up in price since then - including that hypothetical similar spec PC.
Humdinger
Member
Poll results summary so far, focusing on the 120 people who say they're open to buying it (removing those who said they had no interest):
$599 (600) and under is the maximum for over half (55%) of the respondents.
$699 (700) and under is the maximum for over three-quarters (77%) of the respondents.
Another 10% will go as high as $799 (800), but only 13% will go higher than that.
Based on that, it looks like Valve needs to keep it $699 or under. If they go above that, they are losing over three-quarters of potential buyers -- at least on GAF. Even going above $599 means losing half the potential customers (on GAF).
Whether a GAF poll is representative, I don't know. In most instances, GAF isn't representative. However, in this case, it might be somewhat similar to the type of audience Valve is hoping to reach (PC gamers and console enthusiasts who are curious about PC gaming).
$599 (600) and under is the maximum for over half (55%) of the respondents.
$699 (700) and under is the maximum for over three-quarters (77%) of the respondents.
Another 10% will go as high as $799 (800), but only 13% will go higher than that.
Based on that, it looks like Valve needs to keep it $699 or under. If they go above that, they are losing over three-quarters of potential buyers -- at least on GAF. Even going above $599 means losing half the potential customers (on GAF).
Whether a GAF poll is representative, I don't know. In most instances, GAF isn't representative. However, in this case, it might be somewhat similar to the type of audience Valve is hoping to reach (PC gamers and console enthusiasts who are curious about PC gaming).
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Guardian Monkey
Member
Why would this cost much more than a ps5 normal price? Everyone says ps5 are subsidized, but we have heard for years that they have been making money in hardware for years, excluding promotional sales. Why do people think valves machine will cost dramatically more than a ps5, the numbers don't add up. Sure Sony sells more ps5s but the quantity discounts are not that big where you're going to pay twice as much for relatively the same hardware performance. You can get laptops that outperform ps5 for ~800 US. So why would a set top box be more?
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PlayStaytion
Member
$999 is fair to beat %99.99 of Steam games, this box is definitely not for high demanding games and as consoles, every platform has the right to target a large number of consumers and they shouldn't be priced out no matter the circumstances.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
What bullshit. Check Amazon GKCs and you'll see they're selling just fine, and often more than their ps5 counterparts.
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Based on January 2025 interview plagman with adam pcworld. I believe they already written contracts with dram & nand.
Possible they secured 4 million unit contract for next 2 year.
They likely set 699 for 512gb this price mostly for buffer after 4 million exhaust post hike world. Valve margin small $20-50
Possible they secured 4 million unit contract for next 2 year.
They likely set 699 for 512gb this price mostly for buffer after 4 million exhaust post hike world. Valve margin small $20-50
FalconPunch
Member
Realistically 0. I built my own steam machine with a 9070xt, 32gb ram, and a 7600x.
However until a viable anti cheat shows up for steam os, its going nowhere fast in the desktop/living room pc space.
Not being able to play Cod, Battlefield, Fifa, F1, etc are huge deal breakers. On a handheld, its not a big deal. For the most part, those are not the type of games you'd want to play on a handheld. For a desktop/living room pc, its a big no no.
However until a viable anti cheat shows up for steam os, its going nowhere fast in the desktop/living room pc space.
Not being able to play Cod, Battlefield, Fifa, F1, etc are huge deal breakers. On a handheld, its not a big deal. For the most part, those are not the type of games you'd want to play on a handheld. For a desktop/living room pc, its a big no no.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
In almost every discussion about PC gaming, mate is like:How would you know if you haven't tried em?
"I don't need a PC, I DON"T NEED A PC!!!
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existensmaximum
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You think it would stand a chance to have mass appeal, regardless..?
In what way will it be closed? You can open it up and swap the RAM and NVME drive.
The Steam Deck lets you access the BIOS and change settings, and you can install Windows or whatever Linux distro you want on it. The Steam Machine is expected to be the same.
MayauMiao
Member
Storage upgrade don't mean much when console nowadays can do that too. Steam Machine RAM is an advantage I give it that but I bet much like Nintendo 64, the upgrade means little to gaming when games made for SM still have to cater to the lowest common denominator.
Do you understand the difference between a console and PC? Yes, you can't upgrade the GPU in the Steam Machine. It's basically a laptop, only letting you change RAM and storage. 16GB of system RAM is more than enough for almost all current games. 1 or 2 titles can make use of 32GB, but that's unlikely. Consoles have a total of 16GB shared between the CPU and GPU, games won't need more than 16GB.
But it's not "closed" in any way. You can install whatever you want on it. Even in the originally installed SteamOS, you can download an application from whatever you want and just run it. You can mod and customize to your heart's content. Run emulators, pirated games, whatever. It's your own PC.
You could way you aren't buying a fixed non-upgradable system. But it's in no way closed.
Matsuchezz
Member
it was a yes or no question.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Lightning strike! Your PC is Dead.
Crayon
Member
You mean closed system like non-upgradable hardware, then? Usually used to describe the os, software distribution and stuff.
Tobimacoss
Member
$350 without the controller, and $399 with the controller.
Tobimacoss
Member
Games are NOT made for Steam Machine or the Deck. They're translating windows games.
PauloRoberto
Member
599 if i dont need to buy the controller sounds fair...
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
I feel like anything above 900 and you're probably better off building something yourself.
Humdinger
Member
Poll Summary (with 'no interest' voters removed)
Median: $599
44% are willing to pay more than $599.
23% are willing to pay more than $699.
Only 12% are willing to pay more than $799.
Seems like $599 is the sweet spot, and $699 is stretching it. Beyond that, you've lost three quarters of your potential customers (at least on GAF).
Median: $599
44% are willing to pay more than $599.
23% are willing to pay more than $699.
Only 12% are willing to pay more than $799.
Seems like $599 is the sweet spot, and $699 is stretching it. Beyond that, you've lost three quarters of your potential customers (at least on GAF).
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
To be fair, I don't think the typical GAF PC enjoyer is the target demographic. But also, most people aren't going to want to shell out this much for a game system when it's competing with the PS5 and is objectively worse.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It's not objectively worse as raw power is not the only factor to have PC.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I'll be the first person to tell you that PC has massive advantages over consoles (free online being the most tangible financial selling point). When the Steam Deck first released it was (more or less) competing with the Switch 1, but it was better / newer hardware for the same price, and even then it became an extremely niche product. This hardware is (more than likely) going to lose on both fronts - it'll cost more than a PS5 and the hardware itself will be weaker. If it goes up to $799 (I actually think it'll come in higher than this), then it's nearest comparable is going to be the PS5 Pro meaning it'll be much worse hardware.
At that point, you're talking about a niche market of a niche market that's willing to pay that much for what's on offer. The price is obviously going to make or break this thing.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
This weaker hardware can still run tons of games better than the PS5, like Bloodborne, plus all the PC exclusives and all the emulators and all the freadom, etc, etc...
PeteBull
Gold Member
Ofc, but remember ppl had access to that tier of performance prebuilds for many years already, so if they didnt bitethen for say 800$ prebuild of similar quality what makes u think they will bite now for 999$ gabecube? Imho no market for this kind of hardware unless its sold at most at 599 aka at current ram/vram/ssd prices below cost
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I chose $699 (assuming the 512 GB version). Considering you can't upgrade the GPU, can't use an eGPU, and may not be able to upgrade the system RAM (not sure on that), there are static system performance metrics I have to keep under heavy consideration.
Because at some point, 16 GB system RAM/8 GB VRAM will probably start to feel like a hindrance, and we aren't really sure what the overclocking aspects of the CPU & GPU could be (or the memory for that matter, for purposes of adjusting the bandwidth). It being 100% optimized for SteamOS is still the biggest selling point IMHO because I am salivating at the opportunity to jump from Windows like my life depends on it.
That said, I'd still like to keep my options open for maybe installing SteamOS on custom builds (with better support), or alternatives like Bazzite, if and when I'm ready to move on to a performance profile beyond what the Steam Machine can bring. Oh, and that controller's definitely a grab as well. Still 50/50 on Steam Frame.
Because at some point, 16 GB system RAM/8 GB VRAM will probably start to feel like a hindrance, and we aren't really sure what the overclocking aspects of the CPU & GPU could be (or the memory for that matter, for purposes of adjusting the bandwidth). It being 100% optimized for SteamOS is still the biggest selling point IMHO because I am salivating at the opportunity to jump from Windows like my life depends on it.
That said, I'd still like to keep my options open for maybe installing SteamOS on custom builds (with better support), or alternatives like Bazzite, if and when I'm ready to move on to a performance profile beyond what the Steam Machine can bring. Oh, and that controller's definitely a grab as well. Still 50/50 on Steam Frame.
Durin
Member
Yeah, I don't get the reseller argument much anymore.
Newer games are never going to go for the value they used to in prior gens, when you're paying for a near empty disc/cartridge, and even the discs that are mostly complete still rely on servers to give you the non-buggy version of the game with day-one + post release patches.
Only limited runs of games will hold decent value. Friend of mine picked up Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for $3.29, and doesn't have to deal with facebook marketplace/ebay antics or Gamestop garbage trade-in value.
Durin
Member
I will say I did try recently try out on PikaOS (Linux gaming distro like Bazzite) the GamePadUI for Steam Big Picture Mode. Basically it's the additions the Steam Deck has where you have the right panel menu to adjust frame caps, add plugins, etc. Having the sound options in Windows Big Picture Mode, you just have one setting "enable ui sounds", but on Linux it's expanded where I could change my audio devices, and switch my speakers for my headphones using my controller.
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