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I was considering waiting for a price drop for 5060 Ti 16GB, but ended up picking a 9060 XT 16GB with black friday deals

No regrets

 

[ByWatterson]

PS5 Pro owners:

 

[ShirAhava]

Crossfire-GAF our time is now!

 

[MadchesterManc]

I'll be heading into retirement before I retire my 3090 at this point

 

[DirtInUrEye]

This generation is probably as good as its going to get when it comes to PC graphics.

 

[The Cockatrice]

PS5 Pro owners:

Memory prices impacts everyone.

 

[Autistic_Pancake]

> According to a report from China's BoBantang ,

Uh... The link in that article leads to some GAF-like discussion board. I mean, surely we shouldn't take internet forums as a credible source of 'official' information? Can't even see the original post without signing up.

 

[xenosys]

Good
PCMR should be enthusiasts level gaming


Elsewhere as in elven forest where games run using trees and grass and not GPU?

Yes, Nvidia's HQ will be based in Rivendell.

 

[Topher]

It's one thing when we talk about cryptocurrency, which fluctuates in waves depending on demand. It's quite another when we're talking about a technology that has the potential to dramatically change technology and much else beyond recognition in the foreseeable future. Added to this is the fact that large manufacturers simply don't see much point in selling their products to end consumers, which is why we see news like this every time there's a move or any opportunity to exit the market. Because if Nvidia had the opportunity to completely abandon the end-user market, they would do so immediately without a second thought. But for them to do so, they would need at least the support of other market players.

Therefore, I don't see any quick way out of this situation.

I'm not saying it will be quick. I think it will normalize though. It isn't that manufacturers don't see the point in serving customers. They simply cannot accommodate both the demands of the AI infrastructure and consumers at the same time. Demand for AI is skyrocketing right now, but I think it will level out eventually. That's my hope anyway.

 

[rm082e]

I mean at what point do we stop needing new generations?

Yeah, this.

I mean it really just depends what games you're playing, what resolution, and what frame rate you want. Personally, I'm good with my 9070 + PS5 + QHD monitor. I feel like I can stay busy with good games for at least 6+ years.

 

[LordCBH]

I'm not saying it will be quick. I think it will normalize though. It isn't that manufacturers don't see the point in serving customers. They simply cannot accommodate both the demands of the AI infrastructure and consumers at the same time. Demand for AI is skyrocketing right now, but I think it will level out eventually. That's my hope anyway.

These trillion dollar corpos have a vested interest in removing the general populations ability to own things. They would sooner kill hundreds of thousands than increase general consumer supply. They want to push everyone into subscriptions.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I feel like board games are suddenly going to be back in style at this rate…

 

[TheUsual]

Crazy. I know I want upgrade in the near future and was wanting to see what Nvidia's next lineup will be. If the rumor is true, pricing is going to be ridiculous.

I ordered the RX 9070 XT powercolor hellhound because it was $629. Thats too good of a deal to pass up. Haven't been with Radeon since my first build (I think it was the Radeon 9600 XT...man what a coincidence there in terms of naming convention).

 

[R3TRO]

Glad I snagged a 5090 and 4090 at msrp.

Should be good for a while.

 

[Draugoth]

PS5 Pro owners:

Console prices will also be affected

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Just as I got into "high end" PC gaming, I am gonna get priced out and move back into peasant status.

 

[winjer]

To Nvidia's defence, its a problem not related to Nvidia, as it's a global problem because of the ram.
Nvidia would still have loved to sell these cards to you if they could.

And who started the AI boom? Who is making the most AI chips?

 

[Mayar]

I'm not saying it will be quick. I think it will normalize though. It isn't that manufacturers don't see the point in serving customers. They simply cannot accommodate both the demands of the AI infrastructure and consumers at the same time. Demand for AI is skyrocketing right now, but I think it will level out eventually. That's my hope anyway.

Bets are being taken on whether Topher and I will live to see this moment.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

PC price going up means less PC gamers around to support the market. Game will be stagnant and won't be able to push graphics to the next level.

This generation is probably as good as its going to get when it comes to PC graphics.

A good side effect of all of this is the "throw more power at it" bullshit can finally come to an end and developers will have ot start getting better at game design and optimization tricks.

 

[Gripsx]

I bought an RTX 2070 Super in 2019 and will not upgrade anytime soon. It's simply not worth it.

Consumers should vote with their wallet.

The big AI fever dream of NVIDIA, M$ and others is a hoax.

I upgraded my 2080Super for a 5070ti a few months ago and its been great, you can find under MSRP still if you really want to future proof yourself.

 

[Topher]

Bets are being taken on whether Topher and I will live to see this moment.

 

[ByWatterson]

Console prices will also be affected

Reading, too, apparently

 

[Felessan]

To Nvidia's defence, its a problem not related to Nvidia, as it's a global problem because of the ram.
Nvidia would still have loved to sell these cards to you if they could.

What relevance have cut in GPU production to memory woes? Nvidia already delinked their chip from memory and it's now a card manufacturer problem.
This purely allocation of wafers (chips) allotted to NVidia more to AI specific chips where NV reapsway more profits

These trillion dollar corpos have a vested interest in removing the general populations ability to own things. They would sooner kill hundreds of thousands than increase general consumer supply. They want to push everyone into subscriptions.

Some strong conspiracy theory here
For corpos it's much better to sell you product every year that work for one year (and this was solved 30 years ago) than doing stuff like subscriptions and maintaining infrastructure themselves as it puts a lot of risks on corpos side and they really want to have as few risks as possible in the business.

 

[Madflavor]

Goddamn am I glad I pulled the trigger a couple weeks ago. Bought myself a 5080, Ryzen 7 9800x3D, 64gb ram. I saw the way the wind was blowing and said fuck this shit. Time to get a chunky monkey of a rig and weather the next five years out.

Either the market will correct itself and new solutions will arise, or the PC Master Race will become a dying breed.

 

[Sanepar]

I sai yesterday guys. Nvidia is quitting. They will enforce geforce now.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Thanks Sam Altman. Torching the video game industry so people can make shitty pictures and haikus.

 

[OverHeat]

This sucks

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I guess the silver lining for PC gamers is that used prices also go up. If you already have a decent PC and you want to upgrade, you'll be able to sell your old parts for almost as much as you pay for the new ones.

Over the last 4 years I went from 3090 -> 4090 -> 5090 almost for "free" because of how retarded the market is.

In August I got a 5090 for $2200 from Microcenter. I put my used over 2 years 4090 for sale on eBay and it sold almost instantly for $2200 (eBay suggested selling it for $2400 but I felt guilty asking that much).

 

[RayHell]

And somehow AMD will fail to take advantage of it.

 

[Three]

To Nvidia's defence, its a problem not related to Nvidia, as it's a global problem because of the ram.
Nvidia would still have loved to sell these cards to you if they could.

Nvidia was already not selling cards to gamers prior to the RAM situation. Nvidia has always been lambasted for "paper launch" because they don't really supply much of the GPUs and would rather give that silicon to AI. The RAM situation has only made things worse.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Clickbait doom and gloom rumors from a site that makes money off of clickbait.

Anyone who wants a GPU will always be able to get one, with the normal expected shortages at launch.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That's one way to manipulate supply & demand.

Like I said about RAM, diamond dealer approach.

 

[PlayStaytion]

FFS, when Jensen said Nvidia was no longer a gaming company, he wasn't kidding.
And of course, this will probably mean higher prices for gaming GPUs. Combined with the dram price increases.
2026 is going to be a terrible year for gamers.

Billionaires innocency never worked.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I bought an RTX 2070 Super in 2019 and will not upgrade anytime soon. It's simply not worth it.

Consumers should vote with their wallet.

The big AI fever dream of NVIDIA, M$ and others is a hoax.

 

[BennyBlanco]

- make great product
- overprice it
- completely dominate marketshare anyway because your only competitor is incompetent
- pull out of market

If my 4090 dies im becoming a full time retro gamer

 

[DenchDeckard]

Just to confirm that 16gb 5060 ti is already in constraint. If your after one buy it now.

I even picked one up as a back up card.

 

[Foxt3r]

Of course, Sam needs them all to do gay porn

 

[Zathalus]

Nvidia was already not selling cards to gamers prior to the RAM situation. Nvidia has always been lambasted for "paper launch" because they don't really supply much of the GPUs and would rather give that silicon to AI. The RAM situation has only made things worse.

They were not? Nvidia stock hasn't been a problem since the launch period passed. Even the 5090 was around MSRP and available everywhere for a good few months. Before this month Nvidia GPUs were available everywhere and at below MSRP prices occasionally. Most of them still are. This was actually a pretty good year for GPUs being sold.

 

[PeteBull]

What's a reasonable price for a 5080 at the moment?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=588&sort=price&page=1

As u can see worst/cheapest models start around 1100-1200 usd but oc models with quiet and efficient cooling/rgb stuff can easly break 1,5k usd ^^

 

[Three]

They were not? Nvidia stock hasn't been a problem since the launch period passed. Even the 5090 was around MSRP and available everywhere for a good few months. Before this month Nvidia GPUs were available everywhere and at below MSRP prices occasionally. Most of them still are. This was actually a pretty good year for GPUs being sold.

I'm not sure what exactly you're remembering but no.



The 5090s were very poorly stocked at launch. They're not that much better now even if they are more easily found than launch.

 

[dave_d]

Admittedly I updated my ram (32->64gb) and my video card (3070->5070ti) recently before these prices hit. On the plus side I guess I should wait a couple months for the used prices on my old parts to go up to help pay for some of this.

 

[Nankatsu]

Samsung also raised DDR5 contract price by over 100%.

This is getting nuts.

Just the other day I went ahead and googled my RAM model, which I bought last year for my new build.

It went up from 114€ to 444€. Like, wtf?

 

[Von Hugh]

Such a nice excuse to jack up the prices by 25 %

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

 

[StereoVsn]

And who started the AI boom? Who is making the most AI chips?

Yep, and they are actively investing $hundreds of billions into Oracle, OpenAI, Coreweave and more.

Edit: AMD is also trying but they don't quite have the scale.

Edit 2: Thinking about getting a backup 9070XT or 5070Ti. It's dumb, but hell, I can see prices going up by 30-40% and availability disappearing.

 

[nemiroff]

So the value of my 5090 and my 4090...

..wait, who am i trying to kid..

...

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Such a nice excuse to jack up the prices by 25 %

25? You're dreaming....

50% at minimum.

 

[Hyet]

Consumers should vote with their wallet.

This company is leaving the consumer market. You can't vote with your wallet if they just decide to stop selling to you.

 

[Wolzard]

Fine, I was planning on moving across to AMD in the future anyway. I'm not giving those greedy cunts at Nvidia anymore of my money going forward.

What makes you think AMD will do things differently?
They have already signaled an increase in GPU prices.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reportedly-raising-radeon-8-gb-16-gb-graphics-card-prices-by-20-40

It seems that AMD and Nvidia will follow different paths, but they are just as bad:

AMD - price increase
Nvidia - reduced availability (perhaps to maintain prices).

Make no mistake, AMD is playing catch-up with AI, just like Nvidia. They also no longer consider themselves just a hardware company.

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[Pop]

So consumers either buy pre-built PCs(which are way overpriced) or cloud game in about 4 or so years