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[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Here's an idea, stop releasing mid generation upgrades and just make the best console you can.

This "ps5 pro" could easily have been made 3 years ago, and everyone who bought a ps5 is effectively left with an inferior product that has barely been utilised to the fullest.

If your launch price is too high, the masses won't buy. You might loose important parts of the market early on, which will bite you in the ass for the rest of the gen.

 

[Fake]

I've just had a look through his twitter and all it is is sales figures and memes

Seems like a random guy to me

Search for Insider Gaming. The guy have a good history of comproved leaks, this is not some resetera industry bs.

 

[Zuzu]

I don't understand the assertion that this generation has "no games" by some people. Maybe a reasonable argument can be made that there's been fewer first party games. But "no games"? (which obviously is to be interpreted as hardly any worthwhile games released on this gen).

When you consider all the first party and third party games that have been released so far on PS5/Series there's been lots of games released on them for the first 3 years. No one should be in a gaming drought unless you have very niche, specific tastes in games. By the end of 2024 it'll be far more flooded with games than it already is.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Here's an idea, stop releasing mid generation upgrades and just make the best console you can.

This "ps5 pro" could easily have been made 3 years ago, and everyone who bought a ps5 is effectively left with an inferior product that has barely been utilised to the fullest.

I try and avoid saying certain things to avoid rubbing anyone the wrong way, but I can't think of any other way to say that what you said here is dumb.

They did make the best console they could make in 2020 to retail for $500. So much so that they were even losing money on selling it. What you are saying is that they should have made something in 2020 that would have cost them like $1400 to make and shipped in a chassis even bigger than what the PS5 shipped in. And that would now cost at best $800 3 years later.

I don't know, I'm all for choice I suppose, but there's just something about this whole mid gen upgrade business model that now seems ubiquitous that rubs me the wrong way.

Does anyone really think we won't see a ps6 pro?

And so what if there is? I don't get what the issue with having pro consoles is. Just comes off as some serious entitlement petulant nonsense to me. Hey, I am pissed that people get to buy a console that is better than the one I bought 3 tears ago. Even though we all play the same games.

Makes no sense to me...

I wonder what Microsoft will do?

Will we see a Series X 2.0 or something?

Don't remember hearing any rumours, unlike the Sony ones which have been around for ages.

According to them/consensus... they released a Pro Xbox in 2020. I think its called the Series X.

 

[Kilau]

Total "half glass is empty" FUD from DF who wanted to put anything PS4 Pro under a negative perspective. It was around 50fps during most fights actually and 60fps ish during many exploration moments. NXGamer noted an average of 51fps in his video. Perfectly playable and a big improvement compared to PS4 version. I platinumed the game BTW, I would know.

Yes it was a piss easy platinum, I got it too. I also bought the Pro day one so I’m speaking with experience. I still have the jet engine hooked up for PSVR backlog.

 

[Mowcno]

I don't understand the assertion that this generation has "no games" by some people. Maybe a reasonable argument can be made that there's been fewer first party games. But "no games"? (which obviously is to be interpreted as hardly any worthwhile games released on this gen).

When you consider all the first party and third party games that have been released so far on PS5/Series there's been lots of games released on them for the first 3 years. No one should be in a gaming drought unless you have very niche, specific tastes in games. By the end of 2024 it'll be far more flooded with games than it already is.

Some people have the completely bizarre idea that if the games are on PS4/XBO then they don't count for PS5/XSX and there's no reason to own one. Console gamers can be very weird with stuff like this and pro consoles. It'd be like a PC gamer saying that they can still play on their GTX 670 so why upgrade?

Then there are the people that don't want a Pro to happen because they don't want to buy one and they don't want anyone to have a better console than them. People are weird.

 

[Skifi28]

This "ps5 pro" could easily have been made 3 years ago, and everyone who bought a ps5 is effectively left with an inferior product that has barely been utilised to the fullest.

I don't know, I'm all for choice I suppose, but there's just something about this whole mid gen upgrade business model that now seems ubiquitous that rubs me the wrong way

I'd like to see some proof of that, it's easy to just sit on your chair and say how easy something could have been achieved years ago.

 

[Doczu]

PS4 Pro was such a waste of time except for some PSVR help, plus my ears are still ringing(literally) from the fan noise. PS5 Pro needs to be other worldly to get my attention.

Well it still got a fairly big marketshare in the PS4 ecosystem and it was the beginning of the performance vs fidelity option on consoles.
And even if just for me, the Pro update will be my entry point to the current gen as i still game on my 4 Pro. Most games were cross gen up till now and a few were even Sony "exclusives" on last gen. I'm sure there is a market here to tap into, pushing the cross gen players to make the jump

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Please stop posting baseless nonsense, "random guy on twitter" is not a source

Dude leaks stuff all the time. The most recent being the portal

Never mind I get it now Mephisto40 is in the "there is no mid gen refresh" camp so he is dealing with some issues atm

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Price was leaked as well. It will be about tree fiddy.

 

[Mephisto40]

Never mind I get it now Mephisto40 is in the "there is no mid gen refresh" camp so he is dealing with some issues atm

I'm in the "don't believe everything you read on the internet" and the "what is the point in a mid gen refresh" camp actually, but thanks for the concern

 

[Hanzaki]

Whats the point? We are still cross gen, im barely using the PS5??

?
You mean you have a PS4 and a PS5 and because many game shipped for both consoles you choose to play those games on PS4 instead of "your" PS5 for some "reason"?
Or you have only a PS5 and ignore all the crossgen games because they are crossgen?

Unless you are a MS troll it doesn't make any sense. Crossgen games could be still fantastic and they are always plays and run better on PS5 (or at least load faster).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm in the "don't believe everything you read on the internet" and the "what is the point in a mid gen refresh" camp actually, but thanks for the concern

Actually you seem to be square in the there is no mid gen refresh camp, here let me remind you what you said just last week

There isnt going to be a "mid gen refresh"

 

[Mephisto40]

Actually you seem to be square in the there is no mid gen refresh camp, here let me remind you what you said just last week

I'm just going to post my argument against it and we'll leave it at that mr detective

The idea of a mid gen refresh, i am not against, by all means release one and people will probably buy it

My argument against such a thing, is what is this mid gen refresh actually going to achieve?

If you're hoping for 60fps, 4k with full ray tracing, yeh that's not going to happen, $2000 graphics cards cant currently do that

Sony aren't going to pull some magic box out of the ether that can suddenly play games at the same fidelity as a high end gaming pc for a price people are going to be willing to pay, that is what I can't see happening, and I can't see Sony putting in the money and effort to create such a thing

I'm actually interested in what people are going to expect from a "Pro" model, like graphically what are you expecting?

 

[Crayon]

I am hotly anticipating the forum dynamics of having only one pro console. It might be just like the year when there was just the PS4 pro, though. That but stretched to 2-3 years.

 

[Markio128]

It’ll be Xbox with 3 systems if they release a pro

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm just going to post my argument against it and we'll leave it at that mr detective

The idea of a mid gen refresh, i am not against, by all means release one and people will probably buy it

My argument against such a thing, is what is this mid gen refresh actually going to achieve?

If you're hoping for 60fps, 4k with full ray tracing, yeh that's not going to happen, $2000 graphics cards cant currently do that

Sony aren't going to pull some magic box out of the ether that can suddenly play games at the same fidelity as a high end gaming pc for a price people are going to be willing to pay, that is what I can't see happening, and I can't see Sony putting in the money and effort to create such a thing

I'm actually interested in what people are going to expect from a "Pro" model, like graphically what are you expecting?

Sony does it just to keep people in their ecosystem, thats all

I personally am not expecting any magic bullet with this pro model but if it gives me more solid frame rates in games like Wolverine and GTA6 and especially my favorite game Hell Let Loose that can struggle at times on console than I am replacing all my PS5s with the pro model

 

[mckmas8808]

The "ps5 pro doesn't exist" crowd are in shambles.

It's crazy that there were people that legit thought the PS5 Pro didn't exist lol

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I'm just going to post my argument against it and we'll leave it at that mr detective

The idea of a mid gen refresh, i am not against, by all means release one and people will probably buy it

My argument against such a thing, is what is this mid gen refresh actually going to achieve?

If you're hoping for 60fps, 4k with full ray tracing, yeh that's not going to happen, $2000 graphics cards cant currently do that

Sony aren't going to pull some magic box out of the ether that can suddenly play games at the same fidelity as a high end gaming pc for a price people are going to be willing to pay, that is what I can't see happening, and I can't see Sony putting in the money and effort to create such a thing

I'm actually interested in what people are going to expect from a "Pro" model, like graphically what are you expecting?

Thus, "there isn't going to be a mid gen refresh" is just nonsense. Got it.

Also, the 4090 can run Alan Wake 2 well above 60fps in 4K with raytracing fully maxed.

Finally, "what it's going to achieve" can be answered by looking at past pro consoles — things the current model can't do. It was obviously a successful idea and that's why another one is happening. Those without interest in one can simply ignore it and most people who'll buy it aren't expecting "magic from the ether". It's never going to be advertised as an answer to high-end PC gaming, rather, a premium option alongside the base model.

 

[SlimySnake]

I don't understand the assertion that this generation has "no games" by some people. Maybe a reasonable argument can be made that there's been fewer first party games. But "no games"? (which obviously is to be interpreted as hardly any worthwhile games released on this gen).

When you consider all the first party and third party games that have been released so far on PS5/Series there's been lots of games released on them for the first 3 years. No one should be in a gaming drought unless you have very niche, specific tastes in games. By the end of 2024 it'll be far more flooded with games than it already is.

We just had arguably the best year in gaming since 2007, maybe 2001 or 1998 and these people still think next gen hasnt started.

 

[Mephisto40]

Thus, "there isn't going to be a mid gen refresh" is just nonsense. Got it.

As for "what it's going to achieve", that could be answered by looking at past pro consoles — things the current model can't do. It was obviously a successful idea and that's why another one is happening. Those without interest in one can simply ignore it and most people who buy aren't expecting "magic from the ether". It's never going to be advertised as an answer to high-end PC gaming, rather, a premium option alongside the base model.

So tell me what it is youre expecting this "Pro" console to do that the current console doesn't do

 

[HeWhoWalks]

So tell me what it is your expecting this "Pro" console to do that the current console doesn't do

Better framerates, potential for more on-screen detail, a higher overhead for developers. What past pro consoles achieved.

A better question is why the pushback? What does it hurt for these to exist?

 

[jroc74]

I am hotly anticipating the forum dynamics of having only one pro console. It might be just like the year when there was just the PS4 pro, though. That but stretched to 2-3 years.

You can see it now. Seems like some ppl are...really.....against the idea of a mid gen refresh.

I wonder why.

I can guarantee if MS starts their next gen much sooner, some ppl will be all over that. Then when Sony does the PS6 a few years after that....the cycle will continue.

He has no issue when there's a potato tier console stinking up the generation but decides it's a problem now that Sony want to give developers additional freedom and breathing room with more power.

I wonder why.

Pretty much. Some ppl need to ...let it go.....

 

[buenoblue]

I don't know man. Then I would tell those damn phone companies to make the best phone they can so it last 3 or 4 years instead of them releasing annually.

Same for GPUs.

Same for Cars.

Why are we getting annual options for these? At least with these mid-gen console upgrades they happen 3-4 years in. Then those that want it can get it at that point in their life. If those that don't need it, turn a blind eye? I don't get it lol.




So as long as you don't mind waiting a few years for a PS game to hit on PC without bugs, then definitely I hear you on that. I mean, imagine every game was a "Bloodborne" type situation where you hear no news about it appearing on PC. Would you consider otherwise?

Obviously I would keep my launch ps5 so could still play ps games. I currently have a 2080/5600x so I think getting a 5070 next year would probably be more benefit for me.

 

[buenoblue]

What if Microsoft are serious and won't release a pro model of the series x. Could be devastation

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm just going to post my argument against it and we'll leave it at that mr detective

The idea of a mid gen refresh, i am not against, by all means release one and people will probably buy it

My argument against such a thing, is what is this mid gen refresh actually going to achieve?

If you're hoping for 60fps, 4k with full ray tracing, yeh that's not going to happen, $2000 graphics cards cant currently do that

Sony aren't going to pull some magic box out of the ether that can suddenly play games at the same fidelity as a high end gaming pc for a price people are going to be willing to pay, that is what I can't see happening, and I can't see Sony putting in the money and effort to create such a thing

I'm actually interested in what people are going to expect from a "Pro" model, like graphically what are you expecting?

Get to give more money to our lord and saviour

 

[Mephisto40]

Better framerates, potential for more on-screen detail, a higher overhead for developers. What past pro consoles achieved.

A better question is why the pushback? What does it hurt for these to exist?

The Xbox Series S is the prime example of why multiple SKU's are a bad idea in my eyes

 

[Physiognomonics]

I'm just going to post my argument against it and we'll leave it at that mr detective

The idea of a mid gen refresh, i am not against, by all means release one and people will probably buy it

My argument against such a thing, is what is this mid gen refresh actually going to achieve?

If you're hoping for 60fps, 4k with full ray tracing, yeh that's not going to happen, $2000 graphics cards cant currently do that

Sony aren't going to pull some magic box out of the ether that can suddenly play games at the same fidelity as a high end gaming pc for a price people are going to be willing to pay, that is what I can't see happening, and I can't see Sony putting in the money and effort to create such a thing

I'm actually interested in what people are going to expect from a "Pro" model, like graphically what are you expecting?

Why people are buying 4070 GPUs instead of weak 4060 or high end 4090?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The Xbox Series S is the prime example of why multiple SKU's are a bad idea in my eyes

The Series S is a substantial regression from its closest competitor's base machine. The pro will simply add to a working formula and wasn't a bad idea the last time it was attempted.

 

[M1chl]

Are people actually serious with "oh why pro consoles". It was already 3 FUCKING YEARS now the Pro consoles probably not going to be on sale for another year. Consoles on x86 does not have any reason not to go out every year, without any stress from devs. Also have you seen the performance on some bigger UE5 title? That's why.

 

[jroc74]

The Xbox Series S is the prime example of why multiple SKU's are a bad idea in my eyes

Its a good thing the PS5 is more powerful than a Series S.

I dont get why this comparison keeps coming up.

 

[OverHeat]

Says the guy who built a PC in 2020 then one in 2022 and is wanting a 5090 to play GTA6

18TF is a joke thats why.

 

[MALpractice311]

After being only moderately impressed with the PS4 Pro, Sony is going to need to give me a real good reason to buy this upgrade. Going from 1440p 60fps to 4k 60fps or adding in ray tracing is not good enough.

Bloodborne Remastered at 4k 120fps might tempt me. Not sure what else could do it so far.

 

[onQ123]

When you have to give the Activision devs Devkits knowing where the information is going to

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

What's sad is that Sony doesn't even have to care about spec leaks anymore.
They're probably sitting there like, is a switch 2 handheld going to outpower it? nope. is MS even making a midgen console? nope.

 

[mckmas8808]

I still think it's a dumb decision to spend PC prices on hardware over the course of a gen for console-priced software, but how people want to blow their money is not my concern.

Team $750+

What PC can you buy for $900 that can run games great?

 

[skyfall]

Whats the point? We are still cross gen, im barely using the PS5??

Give lazy devs more power to brute force rather than needing talent. Plus make extra bucks from headless consumers, makes sense.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What PC can you buy for $900 that can run games great?

I said it months ago its part of the Xbox marching orders to combat the PS5 Pro, just get a PC

 

[SEGAvangelist]

He has no issue when there's a potato tier console stinking up the generation but decides it's a problem now that Sony want to give developers additional freedom and breathing room with more power.

I wonder why.

I gotta ask. How does a PS5 Pro give additional freedom and breathing room to developers? They have to optimize for another version of the game. Any sort of freedom and breathing room would only be at the expense of the less powerful console in this case as the PS5 base version would then be an afterthought. This isn't an argument against the console being released, BTW.

 

[WitchHunter]

Sony is in a good position now, because their current gen market share is very good. They could even release an expensive thing without repercussions.

 

[MilkyJoe]

To really blow your mind it will be 4 years since launch once this Pro launches and I will 100% be getting at least two of them

Give me the best option to play Wolverine and GTA6 just to name a couple

Woo 4 years...

 

[soulbait]

I don't get ya'll. As a tech addict/collector, I love the idea of a PS5 Pro. If it improves graphics, making 4k 60fps more achievable, I am all for it.
For those asking why spend this amount of money and not just get a PC?

• Many of us do not enjoy gaming on PC. I am one of them. I have more than enough funds to build a kick ass gaming rig, but I just don't enjoy it. I am on a PC all day for work. PC = work to me for the most part. I want to leave my office and go into my media room, where everything works when I turn it on.
• Many PC gamers are buying a new graphics card every year or two to stay with the latest and greatest. So sure, build a PC now, but in 2-3 years you have to upgrade it if you want to make the games look/perform the best. How is this different than buying a new console every four years?
• When I get the Pro console, my other PS5 will go into my living room as another place to be able to play games. Now I have two devices that can play the same games.

As for those saying they will not buy it and/or PS5 generation games are just now coming out:
That is the beauty of it. You do not need to buy it. All PS5 games will still play on the older console, so why complain about the PS5 Pro coming out?

 

[saintjules]

 

[saintjules]

I don't get ya'll. As a tech addict/collector, I love the idea of a PS5 Pro. If it improves graphics, making 4k 60fps more achievable, I am all for it.
For those asking why spend this amount of money and not just get a PC?

• Many of us do not enjoy gaming on PC. I am one of them. I have more than enough funds to build a kick ass gaming rig, but I just don't enjoy it. I am on a PC all day for work. PC = work to me for the most part. I want to leave my office and go into my media room, where everything works when I turn it on.
• Many PC gamers are buying a new graphics card every year or two to stay with the latest and greatest. So sure, build a PC now, but in 2-3 years you have to upgrade it if you want to make the games look/perform the best. How is this different than buying a new console every four years?
• When I get the Pro console, my other PS5 will go into my living room as another place to be able to play games. Now I have two devices that can play the same games.

As for those saying they will not buy it and/or PS5 generation games are just now coming out:
That is the beauty of it. You do not need to buy it. All PS5 games will still play on the older console, so why complain about the PS5 Pro coming out?

 

[DavidGzz]

Finally, Bloodborne will no longer be ignored and will get remastered just in time for launch. Right, guys? Anyway, day 1.

 

[Pelta88]

I still don't think the PS5 Pro is real.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I gotta ask. How does a PS5 Pro give additional freedom and breathing room to developers? They have to optimize for another version of the game. Any sort of freedom and breathing room would only be at the expense of the less powerful console in this case as the PS5 base version would then be an afterthought. This isn't an argument against the console being released, BTW.

The workload required to optimize a game for potential Pro is nothing back breaking, maybe a few weeks depending on what kind of performance and features the developers want to implement.

I remember Cerny even mentioned how they went out their way to ensure that the optimization for the PS4 Pro was streamlined as much as possible.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

18TF is a joke thats why.

Is this some sort of mass ignorance going around or something? Or some sort of underhanded trolling? I am legit curious as I do not understand why there seems to be an increasing amount of people saying what are otherwise flat-out stupid things.

It's a PS5 Pro. Which is a PS5+. The only thing it is designed to do is take games that are made for the PS5, and play them at better presets than what the base PS5 can do. While costing maybe $100 - $150 more than the base model. Thats it. How is this concept suddenly so alien for a lot of people to understand?

Do you realize how stupid it is to call 8TF more over the OG a joke or stupid or not worth it for $100? In a world where people pay more than that for less of a jump between GPU SKUs in the PC market? Like I don't get it.

Even if the PS5pro was only offering 15TF with faster RAM, Fatsre CPU and maybe even more storage and asking only $100 more for the extra stuff... it would still be worth it.

WTF is wrong with people these days?

 

[DavidGzz]

People spent $599 on a screen(sure, there were a couple other smaller upgrades but mostly the screen) upgrade to their Steam Decks. Of course there is a HUGE market for a PS5 Pro. I'll give my ugly PS5 to my daughter. I hope this one is less ugly. Just make it black, Sony.

 

[Dorfdad]

Hoping this haas some way of auto upscaling / improving frame rate without developer help. This is what would sell me on the system instead of asking developers to go back to older titles and spend time and resources which most won't do or are no longer around.

We need a way to future proof these games similar to emulation with upscaling and frame boosting.