midnightAI
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To be fair, most people don't care so long as the studios aren't affected in any major way.
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Bloomberg: Why PlayStation Fans Are Cheering CEO’s Departure
Topher
Gold Member
Personally I think Jim Ryan was chasing financial success like Fornite and Genshin Impact. And that's really fine, but I also think he dove in headfirst into Gaas rather than a more gradual approach that would have allowed PlayStation to grow naturally into that space but also not be so jarring a change to PlayStation fans. Yeah....I'm being an armchair expert and I fully realize that. In either case, I don't think Jim Ryan has done a good job communicating PlayStation's future very well. All the speculation, mine included, is a result of that.
Luigi Mario
Member
Friendly reminder that Jason Schreier could not wait to leak Ryan’s comments on this issue last year:
Not taking a stance irritated him greatly.
Not taking a stance irritated him greatly.
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balls of snow
Member
Yep but they should also just let their 3 billion acquisition do its thing rather than force premier AAA sp devs to
Topher
Gold Member
Yep but they should also just let their 3 billion acquisition do its thing rather than force premier AAA sp devs to
Yeah.....get one or two Gaas games out and see how it goes. Seems way too ambitious trying to push out ten from the get-go. Can't help but wonder if SP games are being impacted.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
It is 10000% not Jim alone who wants to move to gaas. Sony sees the end game they are not stupid. Home consoles are going away one day .. I’d say in the next 20 years max.
Gaming will be a Sony app on all devices.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So nintendo is going to get left behind?
ProtoByte
Member
Don't get roped into becoming a pawn for Scheier and his like in the industry. They had a stick up their asses about Ryan for the crime of not taking sides on abortion and referring to his pet in an internal email.
The fact is that the live service shit was going to be tried with or without Ryan at some point. There's too much money being thrown around for a business not to explore it. Want someone to blame, blame the players and payers of catshit like Destiny 2, Fortnite, Warzone, GTAO, etc.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nonsense. Neither Sony nor MS or Amazon will ever spend the tens of billions of dollars needed to create millions of cloud servers across the globe.
In 20 years, we will be looking at 100-200 tflops monsters that are insanely expensive to produce. Maybe $1,000 a pop. Why in the world would they eat that cost just to provide a monthly subscription?
bitbydeath
Member
Just keep buying more copies to show your appreciation.So now they'll shift focus to the Japanese market right?
Right??
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I'd rather Insomniac creating a new game as a service than them just releasing the same game each 3 years.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I honestly dont care what his agenda is, but sony fans discontent with Jimbo and his policies was simply not covered by the press. I welcome our opinions being given some more exposure even if it comes from someone like jason.
Muffdraul
Member
I'm not cheering, I just feel like I know nothing about the dude. I remember Ken Kutaragi, Phil Harrison, Jack Tretton, Kaz... I'm used to Playstation top execs being charismatic in one way or another, and I can recall shit they did at E3 and online presentations or whatever. But this Jim Ryan guy, I feel like this the first I've heard of him. And he seems like a real stiff.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Why do you think they are buying devs?
. Who ever has the most AAA franchises will be able to get people on their apps. I mean it’s not rocket science.Just look at steam vs other pc stores. Every is buying from steam because they are proven and have all the big games. It’s going to be the same for Sony and ms in the future except they will be competing with steam, apple, and google as well.
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midnightAI
Member
I'm not saying that the poster was correct, but why in the world would MS spend $7.5 billion on Bethesda just to put their games on monthly subscription? Sometimes they just don't make financial sense but do it anyway just to get the subs up.
Fake
Member
He is a cunt as a person, but I do agree he is a decent reporter.
ProtoByte
Member
Schreier doesn't care about gamers, but I repeat the second point as a question: Do you really think that someone other than Ryan didn't or wouldn't have pitched a live service push in a strategy meeting at Sony? Or might the "fans" be misguided? Some of the same fans who explicitly asked for Sony to venture into the multiplayer space thinking that it wouldn't come with any sacrifices, by the way.
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ulantan
Member
Nah you gotta get use the shot gun approach fire off 10 games various genres see what hits a fighting game or 2, a revival of socom or mag, horizon monster hunter like, a mmo, a few new ip. You don't need all of them to hit but if one dos you are in the money. And using thier expanded teams the won't get backed up on sp games.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'd rather Insomniac creating a new game as a service than them just releasing the same game each 3 years.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They are spending TOO MUCH on their GAAS approach. We all know it as a fact!
Killjoy-NL
Member
People do realize it was Shawn Layden's decision to bring Sony 1st party titles, multiplayer in particular, to PC, right?
The shift to multiplayer, for added revenue, already started before Jim Ryan took over.
Sony first-party multiplayer games may end up on platforms other than PlayStation
Sony Interactive Entertainment-published games, especially those with a multiplayer focus, could see release on other platforms.
www.vg247.com
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Crayon
Member
Yep but they should also just let their 3 billion acquisition do its thing rather than force premier AAA sp devs to
Besides being really suprised that ND seems to be tied up with factions, I'd wait to see more evidence of any retreat from their bread and butter.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Let me answer your question then.
It's one thing to dabble on GaaS, it's another thing altogether to go all in making GaaS 55% of your overall first party budget. Those $3.2 billion on bungie would have funded 16 horizon and gow caliber games. But ok, they wanted to secure their future in case cod went exclusive. Fine. Buy bungie. But 55%?
There was not a single gaas game at that trash conference this E3 that looked even remotely interesting. I actually wanted them to embrace online games. I was for factions being PvE. But at some point, Jimbo just went insane. Between Ratchet and Spiderman 2, 2.5 years have passed without a next gen exclusive by Jimbo's first party. Who is to say that dividing these studios into teams making gaas trash didnt destroy their productivity?
Nintendo didnt chase any gaas trends. They are still making games they want to make knowing that they will always have an audience who want to play their games. Sony finally found success with their audience with horizon, gow, uncharted, even ghost of tsushima and days gone selling 5-10 million copies. And what do they do? They spit on their base and go chase fortnite and cod crowd.
Just dance with the one who brought you. its worked for nintendo. it hasnt worked for ms. it hasnt worked for 99% of developres chasing gaas fads. Go ahead and take some chances, but it shouldnt come at the expense of their existing games and it did.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why? Gaming will just lose money and status if dumb CEOs want to force every game to be GAAS.
Or we can just find other hobbies to spend our money on. Only a stupid CEO would force their consumers to buy something that there's not enough demand for. Pure IDIOT CEOs.
Yall said consoles were dead 10 years ago and yet here we are breaking records today. There's no high demand for a console\PC-less future. So why are you personally wanting it so bad?
But we know Microsoft is the worse video game platform holder of the big three. And it's due to their terrible decisions. So don't use MS as a measuring stick.
Tbf. As a lapsed Destiny player who played both games for 7 years I would say that sometimes even Bungie don't know what they are doing...
Topher
Gold Member
Sounds risky for a company doing something completely new, but I could be wrong. Guess we will find out.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
If Sony's focus has been singleplayer story-driven games and they need to have more GaaS alongside those, they have to start investing in them.
So obviously they have to invest a bit more to get things going.
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Topher
Gold Member
People do realize it was Shawn Layden's decision to bring Sony 1st party titles, multiplayer in particular, to PC, right?
The shift to multiplayer, for added revenue, already started before Jim Ryan took over.
Sony first-party multiplayer games may end up on platforms other than PlayStation
Sony Interactive Entertainment-published games, especially those with a multiplayer focus, could see release on other platforms.
Not true. Jim Ryan became CEO of SIE in April of 2019. That article was published August 2019. Layden worked for Ryan.
Crayon
Member
orly? We know 3 bil on bungee was a lot to drop but that's already and active money maker. I don't know how to decide what is too much altogether. Without being able to figure that out and given the recent track record, I have to assume they probably (but not defintely) know what they are doing.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
read their chart. their investment is only going up. it is not 55% of their total budget today, but it will be by 2025.
this is when single player costs are exploding. when games are habitually getting delayed because studios are too small and no longer have the resources to ship games on time. This is the time for sony to go all in and give their single player studios the resources they need to keep up with the rising costs and resources.
CD project is creating new studios in america in order to continue making video games in a timely manner. they know one studio isnt enough. sony ought to do the same.
ulantan
Member
I agree but people have been begging for Sony to make riskier games and multiplayer before they bought bungie they had no major multiplayer first party game in a generation even Nintendo had splatoon and smash bros. You gotta take a risk to succeed in a new space hopefully I get my fighting game.
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Edgelord79
Gold Member
I think the push will be even greater. Too much money to be made.
Topher
Gold Member
I hear ya man. I hope you get your fighting game as well.
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DrFigs
Member
We don't have enough information to say that they're not heavily investing in single player games? there's very little communication about what their first party studios are doing. multiplayer has been an area where sony is seriously lacking. now that MS will probably own call of duty, overwatch, and diablo. Yeah they something.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Fair enough, it's not to say focus on GaaS wasn't Jim Ryan's idea, but I'm willing to bet it was more Layden's idea, as it apparently was his idea to bring their titles to PC as well.
Since that would primarily be multiplayer titles, it would be the most logical conclusion.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They are buying devs to run sony out of business. i thought that was clear from the emails?Why do you think they are buying devs?
Just look at steam vs other pc stores. Every is buying from steam because they are proven and have all the big games. It’s going to be the same for Sony and ms in the future except they will be competing with steam, apple, and google as well.
Once its all said and done, and sony is no longer in the picture, they will NOT be eating the cost to get these very expensive servers up and running for a launch that will have 50 million people logging in for the first night. nah, they will have the user spend $500-1000 like they do today, and then enjoy the monopoly for the next ten to fifteen years without being rushed into getting a new console out. But they will NOT be pushing everyone to the cloud.
Cloud gaming vs netflix streaming are too very different things. the GPUs required for these things are ridiculously expensive. you can stream shit from a bunch of computers with ssds. cloud gaming is extremely expensive and will never replace console gaming. ever.
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Trekinspace88
Neo Member
I understand why Sony is trying to develop gaas titles as even if only 1 or 2 are a hit that means a nice stream of revenue for them and a foundation for further gaas games to build on. Their single player games sell great but with gaming budgets getting bigger and bigger the more the games need to sell. So if they develop gaas games and get a hit that will help migrate some of the cost.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Well yeah, but wouldn't acquisitions and recruitment and all that be included?
Might explain why they plan on 55% of their total budget by 2025, incl development cost of the new IPs as well.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
They are spending the exact same on non-live service games (actually a little more), while expanding their investment into Live Service games to support the studios they purchased that are making them.
There is no shift of focus. There is only an expansion of their portfolio... but I guess facts like that aren't sexy or clickbait enough to make for a good narrative.