Codeblew
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As far as I know, Playstation doesn't have a parity clause that says, for instance, that PS4 Pro can't have coop if base PS4 doesn't have it.
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Engadget: Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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SkylineRKR
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In this case it would be wise to just release a Digital XSX as the Digital PS5 was 399 as well.
But this would mean no undercut. In that case, the XSS should've been at least more powerful than X1X across the board, the current product is weaker in some respects. Which isn't a good outlook. It should've ran X1X profiles of legacy software at the very least. I can imagine gamers holding on to their X1X instead, even though the XSS is actually better once you play on it; it offers much higher framerates in general, on top of massively reduced load times etc). But on spec sheets it sounds weaker, and it has less RAM which is actually hurting it.
MasterCornholio
Member
I think at this point we just need to stick to the evidence. The Series S and Series X currently exist in the market. The developer talks about a parity clause that exists between the two systems. That's the evidence.
At the moment Sony hasn't even confirmed the existence of the PS5 Pro. Nor have developers confirmed the existence of a parity clause between the PS5 and PS5 Pro. Once they do (if it happens) then we can accuse Sony of doing the same. At the moment the PS5 Pro is just a rumor and the existence of a parity clause is just speculation.
Hard facts.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
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Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
Larian is having trouble fitting Baldur’s Gate III on the Xbox Series S, the lower-priced and lower-powered console in Microsoft’s ninth-generation lineup. Microsoft requires games to run equally on the Xbox Series X and Series S. With Baldur’s Gate III, this parity rule means the game will be...www.engadget.com
“Devonald said that multiplatform developers had to "optimize for the lowest performer," and, "we have a current-gen console that's not much better than a last gen one," referencing the Xbox Series S.”
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Quick MS, more publishers to buy to silence…
.Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Baldur's Gate 3 Lead Says Xbox Series S Isn't Holding Back Current-Gen
Swen Vincke likened developing for the Xbox Series S to minimum spec PCs and the Nintendo Switch.www.thegamer.com
"Larian Studios CEO and Baldur's Gate 3 creative lead Swen Vincke says that "the platform is perfectly fine".
"Do I think it holds [gaming] back?" Vincke said in an interview with Skill Up. "It just defines certain parameters within which you have to develop. There are ways of doing that - it just takes development effort [...] Despite us having grown, we don't have infinite resources. That means we can't do everything at the same time."
Looks like more a question of resources.
March Climber
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Series X owners visiting Series S owners:
KaiserBecks
Member
My original reply was deleted so let me rephrase it: You keep ignoring my argument. This isn’t about cross gen or anything related to that matter. All I can do is repeat myself and frankly I don’t see the point.
GHG
Gold Member
If this is really what the new "official" narrative is going to be then I think I may have given you guys a bit too much credit in the past.
Mozzarella
Member
I dont think many of the Playstation market cares about Baldur's Gate 3, its mostly a PC game. A lot of people will probably jump on its bandwagon as a result of Starfield release though, i think its a neat move from Larian to delay 1 month back on PC so that they avoid direct competition on sales, but on the console it will fill a lot of void, the delay move was fantastic on their part.
The artful mincer
Member
But he will lose to them in sales!
8BiTw0LF
Banned
The dude made a bunch of "Series S is better than PS5"-threads a couple years ago and now it's all damage control.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It is a lack of resources. You're right. It's called vram. Larian said so themselves. Good god you guys really are bent out of shape over this aren't you?Baldur's Gate 3 Lead Says Xbox Series S Isn't Holding Back Current-Gen
Swen Vincke likened developing for the Xbox Series S to minimum spec PCs and the Nintendo Switch.
"Larian Studios CEO and Baldur's Gate 3 creative lead Swen Vincke says that "the platform is perfectly fine".
"Do I think it holds [gaming] back?" Vincke said in an interview with Skill Up. "It just defines certain parameters within which you have to develop. There are ways of doing that - it just takes development effort [...] Despite us having grown, we don't have infinite resources. That means we can't do everything at the same time."
Looks like more a question of resources.
cireza
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You did not provide the expected the receipts, please try again.Baldur's Gate 3 Lead Says Xbox Series S Isn't Holding Back Current-Gen
Swen Vincke likened developing for the Xbox Series S to minimum spec PCs and the Nintendo Switch.
"Larian Studios CEO and Baldur's Gate 3 creative lead Swen Vincke says that "the platform is perfectly fine".
"Do I think it holds [gaming] back?" Vincke said in an interview with Skill Up. "It just defines certain parameters within which you have to develop. There are ways of doing that - it just takes development effort [...] Despite us having grown, we don't have infinite resources. That means we can't do everything at the same time."
Looks like more a question of resources.
alucard0712_rus
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8GB of RAM just ruined Series S, otherwise a very good 1080p next-gen console. On a brighter side we have a PC support.
DeepEnigma
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You're comparing apples to oranges.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Exactly this. Its not a problem because its utterly impossible to work around the limitations. Its a problem BECAUSE there are limitations to work around!
Who wants to be absolutely bound to making that extra effort in order to release on XBox because its mandated policy that they do both or neither?
sendit
Member
This would have been the ideal situation. If they're in the position to buy out the competition, they could have ate the cost difference. Anyone defending the Series S needs to have a reality check.
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Fuz
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BG3 has nothing to do with what I was talking about, are you just mocking me?
Elder Legend
Banned
Ahh I gotcha. And yes, it's kind of.dumb.
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Freeman76
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MS are a bit ridiculous here. Or Larian, one or the other.
Just release it without co-op and add it in later, at least the 99% of people who wont even play co-op can still play the fucking game that way, and they get the sales. Stupid decision as far as I'm concerned, and its not like other games dont do it. Halo Infinite springs to mind
Just release it without co-op and add it in later, at least the 99% of people who wont even play co-op can still play the fucking game that way, and they get the sales. Stupid decision as far as I'm concerned, and its not like other games dont do it. Halo Infinite springs to mind
SenkiDala
Member
Exactly. I mean you have games like Dead Space Remake, the RE Remakes, the Assassin's Creed series, Control, Cyberpunk, and so many more games with awesome graphics, getting a release on XSS, but the dude behind Surgeon Simulator is unhappy ? Let's be serious.
Oh and about Gotham Knight, well it could (should!) have been 60fps on XSX and 30 on XSS, like most of other games that I mentioned before are, and that would have been great.
Again I don't say that adapting a game for the XSS is not hard, it is obviously extra work and that need to be mentioned. But let's not exaggerate, the Baldur's Gate 3 case is exceptional as it needs to run the game twice in the same instance, but all the other devs complaining...
Phil is right to remain dedicated to release all the games on XSS, this is just respect for the millions of people who got an XSS.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Larian literally came out and said they wanted to release it without splitscreen coop but MS wouldnt allow it.
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Freeman76
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Oh I didnt know that. MS need their fucking heads read
kazuyamishima
Member
At the end, it seems that Cerny made the right choice with the whole digital/disc versions.
Two generations ago, it was the PS3 having developers complaining about it, now is the turn of the Xbox side.
Two generations ago, it was the PS3 having developers complaining about it, now is the turn of the Xbox side.
GHG
Gold Member
Well the simplest way for them to solve this is by allowing them to release the game with co-op on the X and without it on the S. But they don't seem to want to do that (I actually think they would potentially open the door for legal trouble if they did), so it is what it is.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
It was always the logical and sensible position that if you have a console with weaker specs that you insist everything runs on, it’s bound to have a detrimental effect on the stronger console. The fact this was even an argument shows how weird and warped console warring is.
XSS was a mistake. Clearly. And the more time that goes by, the more it’s deficiencies will hamper the Series X.
….mind you, MS seem quite happy to hamper the Series X with every single fucking thing they say or do, so another screw up on the pile probably doesn’t matter that much.
XSS was a mistake. Clearly. And the more time that goes by, the more it’s deficiencies will hamper the Series X.
….mind you, MS seem quite happy to hamper the Series X with every single fucking thing they say or do, so another screw up on the pile probably doesn’t matter that much.
MisterXDTV
Member
The funny thing is that probably Series S is the best selling console they have...
They can't tell people NOW that it's really NOT a next-gen console and drop the mandatory support...
It would be a PR disaster much worse than this one...
They can't tell people NOW that it's really NOT a next-gen console and drop the mandatory support...
It would be a PR disaster much worse than this one...
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DeepEnigma
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Buy up all the big third parties and IPs and really force them to be anchored by that low and slow RAM box.
avin
Member
Great post, that for once avoided unnecessary drama. You should make more of those.
avin
MisterXDTV
Member
They couldn't...
That huge 52 CUs chip was too expensive to reach that price point...
But all they cared about was to win the Teraflops race....
A very important victory indeed...
LOL
Katatonic
Member
I agree with your general point, but it must be said that even though some 3rd parties struggled w the PS3 at first, Sony's 1st party was putting out stuff that sometimes looked a generation ahead of the competition. After some time, many of those same 3rd parties starting using PS3 as the lead platform.
The situation MS has been in for at least 2 gens in a row is nothing like PS3.
StereoVsn
Member
We live in a world where Microsoft locked vital security AUDIT logs for their bread and butter Office 365 and Azure (that's what made them a trillion $ company) behind overpriced paywall of E5 licenses.
This was happening in Federal and Financial customer space. At the same time a known vulnerability reported to them in March that could only be detected via above is STILL unpatched. This shit drew real "call your senator" response, and got several Federal Agencies hacked.
And you think they care about some gamers unhappy at parity features, Xbox as a whole or whatever?
Hell, they fired bunch of security and support folks while making some of their biggest profits ever.
Basically Microsoft doesn't care.
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DeepEnigma
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Konnor
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Baldur's Gate 3 Lead Says Xbox Series S Isn't Holding Back Current-Gen
Swen Vincke likened developing for the Xbox Series S to minimum spec PCs and the Nintendo Switch.
"Larian Studios CEO and Baldur's Gate 3 creative lead Swen Vincke says that "the platform is perfectly fine".
"Do I think it holds [gaming] back?" Vincke said in an interview with Skill Up. "It just defines certain parameters within which you have to develop. There are ways of doing that - it just takes development effort [...] Despite us having grown, we don't have infinite resources. That means we can't do everything at the same time."
Looks like more a question of resources.
There's a reason devs don't port their games on PS3, PS2 , even PS1. They could definitely do it it with major compromises of course but the real reason is that it's a question of resources.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Xbox is in the business of making money first. So the series s wasn’t a mistake because it’s probably the only reason they sold consoles this Gen.
They didn’t feel like they could compete with the PS5 by matching the price so they needed a lower priced sku like the Series S at $299 to compete.
If you look at the threads before the Xbox Series s/x launch everyone pretty much said this is exactly what would happened by having a lower spec sku but some people love to drink the kool of lies Xbox puts out and really thought resolution would be the only trade off on the series s.
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a multicultural team of v
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Well back in the day they used to also have feature pairity with the PS4, where either the game had to launch at the same time as the PS4 version or include additional content... Maybe they brought that back too lol
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, there is a parity clause MS has between Xbox to PS5 (and vice versa I think from Sony).
Edit: they would need to cut it from PS5 as well basically and then patch it back in when XSS solution is ready. Between that and Starfield it probably wasn't worth the effort or the outcry.
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Kilau
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Laieon
Member
They can adjust the advertising from SIMPLY NEXT-GEN to...
In the end though, we ended up loving Simple Jack.
SkylineRKR
Member
I figure bad outlook vs PS5.
Same as not releasing split screen on XSS; bad outlook for S. Though barely anyone likely uses the feature.
PS5 often comes out on top regardless. Its not surprising to me, PS5 architecture seemed to be slightly more efficient. It has some strengths where it matters. And they have some studios that generally deliver very good work.
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Katatonic
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And when games don't sell on there to boot.