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[Mibu no ookami]

I still think the Slim ends up releasing for 500 dollars, but we'll see.

I also don't anticipate Sony announcing anything early. I think they want to run through their PS5 SE inventory before announcing anything. They don't want PS5 SEs sitting on store shelves or in backrooms.

They announced the PS4 Slim on September 7th, 2016. It was released on the 15th.

That being said they had confirmed the PS4 Pro well in advance (June of the same year) and that came out in November of the same year.

There is also the chance that they take the opportunity to bundle this with Spider-Man 2 at the outset. So either 560 or 460.

So I think the latest it comes out is October 20th and in that case they would probably do pre-order announcement in September.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

Dudo comprar una PS5 con un lector de precio bajo de 450 euros o espero una consola PS5 Slim?


Recomendamos PS5 o PS5 Slim???

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

5nm is still possible.

3nm may not reduce the cost of the PS5.

Yes, 5nm is still possible. Especially when you consider that going from 7nm to6nmaready dropped the size of their APU from 320mm2 to around 260mm2. And that was as far back as September last year. No chance they have just been sitting on their hands for the last year.

 

[nightmare-slain]

hopefully it's all digital. i don't want a dirty disc drive lol. if people want to live in the past then they can buy an additional external disc drive for it.

 

[FunkMiller]

I travel a lot, but there's no chance of me ever taking that big, fat bitch anywhere. I'd be interested in a slim, if it really was a significant reduction in size and weight.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is not changing much.

We already have a PS5DE or $399. This `PS5 Slim`, is in truth, still just the PS5DE but smaller, and with some sort of contraption that lets you attach a disc drive to it. This would actually be the first time that the introduction of a slim SKU, does not come with a price drop. Not only would Sony be making money on the actual console, but they will also be making a good amount off anyone that spends what I expect will be the $100 for the disc drive attachment. Though that can also come in at $70. Sony still makes something though, being that said attachment cant cost them more than $40 to make/package and ship).

I'll give you the digital sales spike though, I don't see a lot of people buying the disc attachment. And the long-term effect of that is, when the PS6 is released, being digital only with a disk attachment, will be the norm by then, almost expected.

As for Xbox sales, I sincerely think at this point that is a non-issue. PS5 is still maintaining the sale ratio to it that the PS4 had to XB1. What Sony needs to do is get the Ps5 down to $299. But with hwweVV it sells, and I fear that may never happen. We would sooner see games bundled with the slim at $399 than ever seeing the price dropped to $299.

I still maintain that Sony doesn't want to sell the PS5 at 400 dollars. They've been very scarce with the production of the PS5 DE even though it would force people to buy digital which increases their margins a bit. The reason for this is even people who buy the PS5 SE still mainly buy digitally. You're largely losing 100 dollars just to lose 100 dollars.

If Sony REALLY wanted to push that 400-dollar price point to sell more units (marginally more) they would have pushed the PS5 DE harder.

It could be argued however that the PS5 Slim will have a better margin than the PS5 DE and thus they could afford to sell it for 400 dollars, but again we'll see here.

As for the disc attachment, not sure any attachment really makes sense. A simple USB-C wired disc drive makes way more sense and has less impact on the form factor.

They've having a record sales year at the 500 dollar price point, not sure why they'd want to reduce the price.

I do think the PS6 will be digital only with an external drive option.

As for a 300 dollar PS5? In the time of inflation and a more profit oriented SIE... I would find that really hard to imagine. Sony hasn't been overly bullish on the quantity of units it expects to sell on PS5. That could be a smokescreen for regulators though.

 

[Jibran#one]

Scalpers Christmas , como n boys scalp each and every PS5 slim and fuck us normal people in the ass

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I still think the Slim ends up releasing for 500 dollars, but we'll see.

I also don't anticipate Sony announcing anything early. I think they want to run through their PS5 SE inventory before announcing anything. They don't want PS5 SEs sitting on store shelves or in backrooms.

They announced the PS4 Slim on September 7th, 2016. It was released on the 15th.

That being said they had confirmed the PS4 Pro well in advance (June of the same year) and that came out in November of the same year.

There is also the chance that they take the opportunity to bundle this with Spider-Man 2 at the outset. So either 560 or 460.

So I think the latest it comes out is October 20th and in that case they would probably do pre-order announcement in September.

I believe we had this conversation before. You are not wrong, but you aren't right either lol.

Technically, you can say that it costs $500, if you are adding the cost of the console and the add-on disc drive to it. And you will be right. But the slim SKU itself will cost nothing less than $399. Because it's the exact same thing as is the current PS5DE, a bit smaller and cheaper to make.

I can definitely see being bundled with Spiderman though, for $460 or even $450. I don't expect we will see a stand-alone slim SKU till sometime in 2024.

Why I have however never felt that announcing the slim will cannibalize sales of the current SKUs, is because I believe the pricing is not changing. Announcing the Slim will only impact sales of the current PS5DE (which is already produced in very limited quantities). Because even though they are the same price, the Slim is smaller and has the bonus of being able to be `upgraded` with a disc drive. It won't affect sales of the PS5BDE though, being that comes with a disc drive already and for the same price that it would end up costing you if you bought the sim and the disc drive separately.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Dudo comprar una PS5 con un lector de precio bajo de 450 euros o espero una consola PS5 Slim?


Recomendamos PS5 o PS5 Slim???

Depende de que tanto la quieras, es una incerteza aun si el PS5 slim saldrá este año.

Pero Sony quiere vender 25 millones este año fiscal, si compras la normal y anuncian la Slim, igual puedes irla a hacer “trade-in” por la Slim, generalmente siempre hacen esas ofertas.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I'm going to get my best friend a PS5 for his birthday next week, but gonna take a gamble by giving him my PS5 for keeps just after I complete FF16 and then get myself a slim. A gamble because...

1. Rumours may be false
2. Dont know if its actually cheaper for certain
2. May be digital only and I buy mostly physical
4. If it exists it may be the same design as the current PS5

But fuck it, the decision is final.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I still maintain that Sony doesn't want to sell the PS5 at 400 dollars. They've been very scarce with the production of the PS5 DE even though it would force people to buy digital which increases their margins a bit. The reason for this is even people who buy the PS5 SE still mainly buy digitally. You're largely losing 100 dollars just to lose 100 dollars.

If Sony REALLY wanted to push that 400-dollar price point to sell more units (marginally more) they would have pushed the PS5 DE harder.

It could be argued however that the PS5 Slim will have a better margin than the PS5 DE and thus they could afford to sell it for 400 dollars, but again we'll see here.

As for the disc attachment, not sure any attachment really makes sense. A simple USB-C wired disc drive makes way more sense and has less impact on the form factor.

They've having a record sales year at the 500 dollar price point, not sure why they'd want to reduce the price.

I do think the PS6 will be digital only with an external drive option.

As for a 300 dollar PS5? In the time of inflation and a more profit oriented SIE... I would find that really hard to imagine. Sony hasn't been overly bullish on the quantity of units it expects to sell on PS5. That could be a smokescreen for regulators though.

They never had to though. They were always losing money on the PS5DE. To shift focus to that SKU as the primary SKU (even if thats what they always wanted) they would have needed a node shrink...or two. And furthermore, shortages meant they were supply-limited anyway, not meeting demand. Just makes more sense to focus on the PS5BDE which at least had better margins when you know you are going to sell everything you ship out anyways.

That is what they have now. Now, they can sell a PS5 slim, at $399, and still be making a small profit on it, and then make an even bigger profit when anyone decides to buy the disc attachment. While at the same time, finally pushing the majority of their customers to be digital only.

And yes,I do not see a $300 PS5 happening anytime soon. I mean the PS4 is still $299. I guess we have the switch to thank for that.

 

[Heisenberg007]

This is not changing much.

We already have a PS5DE or $399. This `PS5 Slim`, is in truth, still just the PS5DE but smaller, and with some sort of contraption that lets you attach a disc drive to it. This would actually be the first time that the introduction of a slim SKU, does not come with a price drop. Not only would Sony be making money on the actual console, but they will also be making a good amount off anyone that spends what I expect will be the $100 for the disc drive attachment. Though that can also come in at $70. Sony still makes something though, being that said attachment cant cost them more than $40 to make/package and ship).

I'll give you the digital sales spike though, I don't see a lot of people buying the disc attachment. And the long-term effect of that is, when the PS6 is released, being digital only with a disk attachment, will be the norm by then, almost expected.

As for Xbox sales, I sincerely think at this point that is a non-issue. PS5 is still maintaining the sale ratio to it that the PS4 had to XB1. What Sony needs to do is get the Ps5 down to $299. But with hwweVV it sells, and I fear that may never happen. We would sooner see games bundled with the slim at $399 than ever seeing the price dropped to $299.

It is big (and new) because currently the PS5 Digital constitutes a small % of the total volume sold. With this PS5 Slim, Sony will abandon the original Disc and Digital edition, and will only sell this new Slim edition.

This is significant because all the consoles that Sony sells after that will cost users $399. On the other hand, Xbox Series S will be $349 and Xbox Series X will cost $499.

That's the big move that would make Sony widen the gap even more.

 

[Sub_Level]

Physical only.

Imagine a physical-only model lol just a 250gb hdd for holding the OS and installing games.

 

[Alphagear]

It wouldn't even surprise me if it looks identical to the PS5DE, but with a cavity inside it to accept a disc drive.

This.

More to help Sony improve manufacturing and save money.

Simply a case of adding a drive to make a physical version and vice versa during the manufacturing stage.

I doubt a detachable drive will be available to buy separately.

 

[Moses85]

The rumored one which shall have a detachable blu ray drive

 

[darrylgorn]

ps5 is beautiful!
Not sure if I will be upgrading to slim. ps5 is already nice looking and
quiet. It's just big and I have my furniture modified to fit it

 

[Spyxos]

Many people are underestimating how big this move will be. If Sony can sell this at $399 (or even $449), it will disrupt the market significantly. Xbox Series X will be $499.

A secondary advantage for Sony is that many people will opt not to buy the optional disc drive, which will increase their digital sales ratio even more.

This seemingly small move by Sony can prove catastrophic for Xbox console sales -- especially when coupled with the PS5 Pro next year.

If the base console became more expensive, the Slim won't become cheaper either. It will probably have the same price, if not more expensive. I know this has never happened before, but times are strange right now.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

I wouldn't say they need to since the PS5 sells okay despite its looks. But it's good for cost reduction and increasing production which is what Sony is interested in the most.

PS5 sells oke? Thats an understatement

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

I see last guardian

Whats that hand standing next to your PS5? O...never mind..i dont want to know

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

Good it needs it, I’ll trade my launch system for a slim and I don’t even care what the difference is I have to pay

 

[MasterCornholio]

PS5 sells oke? Thats an understatement

I didn't want to make him mad.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

This.

More to help Sony improve manufacturing and save money.

Simply a case of adding a drive to make a physical version and vice versa during the manufacturing stage.

I doubt a detachable drive will be available to buy separately.

That's not making manufacturing easier though. As it stands, that is already how the PS5 is. The DE and BE SKUs are identical internally, with the only difference being the presence of a connector for the disc drive. That ends up being 2 skus because they have two different packagings.

One SKU, wi be onyhaving the consoe, andmakingtehdisc drive be anaccesory. Which I have no doubt mysteriously be in short supply. The end game here is to have as much of their user base buying digitally while giving them the impression that its a choice.

 

[SHA]

Haven't seen s to x sales figures, anyone know the numbers?

 

[thatJohann]

Isn't the PS5 "slim" the rumored single-sku PS5 digital with a slot for add-on drive? So currently the digital is $399 and disc is $499. After the "Slim" the digital will be $399 and the disc will be $499?

I’m expecting a disc-less PS5 Slim for $399 with optional disc drive add-on for $99. And Sony discontinuing the original PS5 Digital Edition.

 

[Fafalada]

This is not changing much.

History says otherwise - similar moves have been done before and they all made a tangible market impact (sometimes massive).
For the most direct analogues (there were others, I don't want to go into list wars though) PS3 40GB, NDS Lite, XB1 unbundled etc.

Market impact aside, Sony is giving themselves price elasticity with this moving forward, which is a tactics they've perfected over years with their revisions. Fast increase to profitability and/or enter price-segments otherwise inaccessible.

This would actually be the first time that the introduction of a slim SKU, does not come with a price drop.

Unless I misremember this - that's not really true?
PSP 2k and NDS Lite were introduced at existing MSRP.
PSP Go and NDS-i were a price increase, and PS2 Slim introduction was lowering MSRP relative to the network adapter bundle (which received its own price drop before Slim launched, but I guess that's standard practice).
Also IIRC PS3 SS was only lower price for the no-HDD revision, but then the SKU landscape was such a chaos in 360/PS3 era it's really hard to keep track what was what.

Not only would Sony be making money on the actual console, but they will also be making a good amount off anyone that spends what I expect will be the $100 for the disc drive attachment.

Yes for Sony there are lots of reasons why this move makes sense (the cost savings from not having two physical SKUs alone are a big deal).

As for Xbox sales, I sincerely think at this point that is a non-issue.

With Series S at 350$ now, it may fast become one. I expect Sony will have the flexibility to go down to 299$ with this revision but as you note, they aren't likely to have reasons for it anytime soon. Then again this is also a repeat of past events (PS4 Slim was built to go down way lower from day one, but they hardly needed it).

 

[Fafalada]

I’m expecting a disc-less PS5 Slim for $399 with optional disc drive add-on for $99. And Sony discontinuing the original PS5 Digital Edition.

They'll discontinue both current SKUs - there's no reason for them to continue disc edition with this approach. I'm sure bundled option will exist (and likely slightly cheaper than buying disc-addon separately) but they could even leave that up to retailers and make no official disc bundle.

 

[deriks]

ps5 is beautiful!
Not sure if I will be upgrading to slim. ps5 is already nice looking and quiet. It's just big and I have my furniture modified to fit it

Dude, your setup is clean as shit. Nice

@thread
I'm just waiting for the Slim model, but with disc. I need those boxes!

 

[kyoji]

People saying ps5 looks ugly? the design looks great, its the white that isnt flattering, change the plate colors, black or red is the way to go.

 

[cireza]

Having a decent form factor will be a huge improvement.

 

[nightmare-slain]

People saying ps5 looks ugly? the design looks great, its the white that isnt flattering, change the plate colors, black or red is the way to go.

The colour isn't the issue. It's fucking huge, heavy, and too curvy. It looks like a big silly router. It's by far the worst Playstation console design yet and I thought the PS4 Pro was bad lol.

They need to fix it so it doesn't look so bloody stupid.

Don't tell me this don't look better...

 

[lh032]

what about the pro?

 

[Loxus]

what about the pro?

Yea, we heard about PS5 Slim, Switch 2 and even PS6, but no mention about Pro.

 

[Fake]

Would be great. I already like the PS4 slim and PS5 looks like a fat fuck.

 

[AmuroChan]

This is the model with the optional detachable disc drive right?

 

[tryDEATH]

Hopefully they'll make it look nice. The PS2 Slim was by far my favorite "redesign" console.

 

[Boss Mog]

So physical slim only? No digital?

The slim by itself is digital only, there'll be a bluray drive add-on for physical that you'll have to buy separately.

 

[G-Bus]

I may trade my ps5 in for a slim version. Consoles just too damn big.

Or wait for pro... I don't know. I wonder if that will look much different than the regular ps5

 

[Hudo]

Hopefully they'll make it look nice. The PS2 Slim was by far my favorite "redesign" console.

True. But there is one thing where the PS2 Slim is worse than the fat PS2: You cannot play FF11 Online on a Slim because FF11 requires the HDD...

 

[Elios83]

Interested to see how the Slim looks and how the disc drive will be handled but I want the Pro which will probably be bigger than the current one

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Isn't the PS5 "slim" the rumored single-sku PS5 digital with a slot for add-on drive? So currently the digital is $399 and disc is $499. After the "Slim" the digital will be $399 and the disc will be $499?

This "slim" with the detachable disc drive will be the only sku and there will be no digital and disc versions

 

[CrustyBritches]

This "slim" with the detachable disc drive will be the only sku and there will be no digital and disc versions

That's what I was saying, "Isn't the PS5 "slim" the rumored single-sku PS5 digital with a slot for add-on drive?" I'm assuming the disc drive will be $100.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

That's what I was saying, "Isn't the PS5 "slim" the rumored single-sku PS5 digital with a slot for add-on drive?" I'm assuming the disc drive will be $100.

My bad kind of misread what your wrote

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Playstation fans fighting for the new PS5 Slim which is 99% similar in appearance to the current model:

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That's a pretty sexy-looking PS5 Slim. I'm just curious how much the disc attachment will cost, and if they do anything notable with it like use it to enable some form of local PS3 BC with disc games.

 

[Horseganador]

And what are the MS plans? Because if in these months PS5 is selling 4:1 compared to Xbox with that Slim revision, the gap will be even greater, in almost 3 years of generation, not a plate revision to be able to manufacture more or anything.

In Europe from July 1-15 PS5 will be at €449 while Series X goes up to €549 and it doesn't seem like they're going to respond either.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And what are the MS plans?

Buy all the publishers.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Likely something along these lines as early reports were it looked a lot like the current PS5 though obviously could have changed

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

And what are the MS plans? Because if in these months PS5 is selling 4:1 compared to Xbox with that Slim revision, the gap will be even greater, in almost 3 years of generation, not a plate revision to be able to manufacture more or anything.

In Europe from July 1-15 PS5 will be at €449 while Series X goes up to €549 and it doesn't seem like they're going to respond either.

Maybe they're planning to move Xbox away from a traditional console business model

In such a case, they wouldn't need to respond. Their "response" would be to allow full Windows installs on Series S & X for a $199 upgrade fee or whatever. Which would basically make them PCs. And they'd continue the Xbox hardware plans from there.

 

[Corndog]

So physical slim only? No digital?

As I said in another thread the rumor is it doesn’t have a Blu-ray drive. You will be able to get a drive as an add on.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

So physical slim only? No digital?

It will be the version with a replaceable disc drive.