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[dotnotbot]

You are missing the point that PlayStation isn't the only available option and there are more people who don't have it than do.

Maybe they're not interested in playing 'serious' games and that's why they haven't bought any console.
Are we sure that there is more people willing to stream Starfield than play it natively on Playstation?

I play Pokemon GO every day to keep me busy while I'm on the bus on my way to work. I would never play any game like xCloud offers there cause I want to clear my head off and the bus is crowded so there is barely any space to even hold my phone in one hand. I just need something that lets me mindlessly tap on the screen. If I want to play something like Starfield or COD, I would only play it at home. So if I have to stream those instead of play them natively on my Playstation, do I have more options?

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Maybe they're not interested in playing 'serious' games and that's why they haven't bought any console.
Are we sure that there is more people willing to stream Starfield than play it natively on Playstation?

I play Pokemon GO every day to keep me busy while I'm on the bus on my way to work. I would never play any game like xCloud offers there cause I want to clear my head off and the bus is crowded so there is barely any space to even hold my phone in one hand. I just need something that lets me mindlessly tap on the screen. If I want to play something like Starfield or COD, I would only play it at home. So if I have to stream those instead of play them natively on my Playstation, do I have more options?

You don't, but the person who does want to play COD but can't afford, find, or have time to be at home to play it will since he can now play it on the train or bus airplane, submarine, hospital etc.

With that said, it's PR.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Not exclusive to xbox, they’re exclusive to the xbox ecosystem.

Right now, you can play ABK games on playstation, xbox and gaming PCs.
After this, you can play on xbox, gaming PC, and any device with an internet browser - your phone, tablet, non-gaming laptops & PCs, even Samsung TVs that have the xcloud app.

Far more options for people to play games when all the games are on game pass and xcloud.

What's stopping Activision to put their games on these services like Stadia, Game Pass and PS+?

Microsoft have plenty of third-parties on GP, the majority of the catalog is. They don't need to own them to do any of that or for xCloud. Think before posting.

 

[DarkMage619]

Maybe they're not interested in playing 'serious' games and that's why they haven't bought any console.
Are we sure that there is more people willing to stream Starfield than play it natively on Playstation?

I play Pokemon GO every day to keep me busy while I'm on the bus on my way to work. I would never play any game like xCloud offers there cause I want to clear my head off and the bus is crowded so there is barely any space to even hold my phone in one hand. I just need something that lets me mindlessly tap on the screen. If I want to play something like Starfield or COD, I would only play it at home. So if I have to stream those instead of play them natively on my Playstation, do I have more options?

At this point we have no idea because generally there aren't ways to play mainstream games via streaming or mobile. Your own personal situation doesn't apply to all people. To me the only people that could be potentially impacted in a hypothetical removal of a game from PlayStation are people who absolutely refuse to play games any other place and any other way. Those people are making a choice to do that.

The option still remains to play those titles and those who are not dead set against playing elsewhere can do so. Still does not change the fact that ways to play games off of a PlayStation outnumber ways to play on one so the sentiment of the statement is true.

 

[zzill3]

What's stopping Activision to put their games on these services like Stadia, Game Pass and PS+?

Microsoft have plenty of third-parties on GP, the majority of the catalog is. They don't need to own them to do any of that or for xCloud. Think before posting.

They don’t think it’s worth the cost. It would take an awful lot of money for a company like Activision to put a game as popular and profit making as COD day 1 on gamepass and xcloud.

Probably around $70 billion, I would think.

 

[pasterpl]

What's stopping Activision to put their games on these services like Stadia, Game Pass and PS+?

Microsoft have plenty of third-parties on GP, the majority of the catalog is. They don't need to own them to do any of that or for xCloud. Think before posting.

Looking at clauses that Sony is putting alongside they marketing terms in their marketing deals it seems that in many cases owning the IP is the only way to get it on GP.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Looking at clauses that Sony is putting alongside they marketing terms in their marketing deals it seems that in many cases owning the IP is the only way to get it on GP.

Yeah sure Sony is blocking every game from EA, Ubisoft, Bandai and Cd Projekt even if MS usually gets marketing and exclusives from them

Your victimization of megacorp Microsoft is getting tired.

Square is extremely close with Sony and they were one of the biggest supporter of GP (all FF, Dragon Quest, Outriders, GOTG, Life is Strange, Octopath, Avengers, Nier and more).

 

[Ozriel]

Microsoft, please just shut the fuck up. You're a trillion dollar monopoly, your only goal is to prevent competition. And that's you did or tried to do in all markets you went into.

‘Trillion dollar monopoly’
What are they monopolizing at the moment?

I bet you can’t cite any market they’ve entered in decades that they’ve tried to completely prevent competition.

Those repeated declarations from those 2 morons are really tiring. STFU.

Some of these repeated declarations are to reassure people like you that COD isn’t leaving PlayStation.
Don’t be a drama queen. If you find them ‘tiring’, your choice to avoid entering these threads.

 

[Ozriel]

Lol. Those ”folks” your talking about are fanboys themselves. Ofcourse they won’t like what i say, doesn’t automatically means it’s warring.

As I said before, it’s largely because it’s you and because they can see your post history that they assume you’re warring.

There’s a reason why it’s been
”clarified” multiple times that’s because they’ve been lying before with the Bethesda acquisition.

Can you share where MS made a commitment to keep all future Bethesda games multi-platform?

 

[pasterpl]

Yeah sure Sony is blocking every game from EA, Ubisoft, Bandai and Cd Projekt even if MS usually gets marketing and exclusives from them

Hyperbole much? I have said in many deals, you obviously understood it as in most of the market - which was wrong.

Your victimization of megacorp Microsoft is getting tired.

Wtf are you talking about? Where am I victimising MS?

And what square Enix have to do with my comment?

I wrote one sentence and then you went and imagined my whole world view, sprinkled in some conspiracy theories and you think that this is what I am talking about. Look at first pages of this thread, Sony fam was running and over interpreting MS CEO statements, bringing shit that were not mentioned at all. What’s wrong with you lot? Insecure much?

 

[pasterpl]

How does buying Bethesda and having them cancel work on the PS versions of Starfield (which Beth themselves said was well under way) give MORE options for gamers? That’s a flat out lie.

Makes me wonder how truthful they are being about the long term future of Gamepass.

You do understand that playstation gamers are minority in the overall gaming market, small % of huge market. But to understand that you would have look outside console warring box.

 

[PnCIa]

Microsoft good. Please belief.

 

[John Wick]

Nope. They weren’t backed into a corner. Don’t be dense. The CMA or FTC or EU haven’t begun to ask for concessions, so if this wasn’t the original plan, MS wouldn’t be saying this at this point. They’d have kept it in the back pocket.

They’ve been saying this since February. MS President has gone on record to say that COD would remain on PlayStation. Phil’s said this multiple times already.



It’s not an uncommon thing for games to go exclusive after studio purchase. None of you raised an eyebrow for Hellblade or The Outer Worlds.




Call of Duty will remain multiplatform after Sony’s current marketing deal ends.

Yes of course good old Phil is going to state upfront before the biggest gaming purchase that yes MS is going to make the AB games exclusive just like Zenimax to Xbox. That would be stupid and asking for trouble. The only reason Phil is acting all noble and saying COD will remain on PS because he knows the backlash it would bring and the scrutiny. Him and Nadella aren't stupid. Monopolistic practices are a MS staple.

 

[John Wick]

You do understand that playstation gamers are minority in the overall gaming market, small % of huge market. But to understand that you would have look outside console warring box.

Another stupid statement. So what does that make MS and Xbox?
MS and Sony are competing in the console and to a lesser extent the PC market.

 

[Ronin_7]

Satya is a good Man but he really needs to seek a new CEO for Xbox who actually can run things over there.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

I wrote one sentence and then you went and imagined my whole world view, sprinkled in some conspiracy theories and you think that this is what I am talking about.

I know your whole post history. Don't act brand new here. You brought up those Sony marketing deals. We all know what that means.

And what square Enix have to do with my comment?

If Sony was able to block games from every publisher, they would block Square the most because they are closest with them. Turns out Square was the biggest supporter until Ubisoft started last summer. They dared going against mighty Sony.

Bobby would never.

 

[John Wick]

You are missing the point that PlayStation isn't the only available option and there are more people who don't have it than do.

So put up the stats that show that more people play console games streaming or on mobile? Because you know your chatting shit.

 

[John Wick]

Xcloud is your option. The option not being ideal for you doesn’t mean it’s not available.

If ABK games mean that much to you, you could just buy an xbox? The series S is the cheapest current gen console and regularly has discounts below MSRP so it won’t even set you back that much

So why don't you sell all your hardware and use Xcloud? Your good at stating rubbish so why not back it up and switch to Xcloud only as your championing it like the 2ns coming of transgender. Set an example for all these people who are stupid enough to want an actual physical console.

 

[John Wick]

Just like Sony with multiple pricing cartel acquisitions and fines to name few. I could never trust company like this. All stuff they say is pure garbage. They are all criminals at Sony. ….Am I doing this right?

Yeah but who's had the bigger fines? Who nearly got split up?

 

[Negotiator101]

The PS fanboys have really got their knickers in a twist over his comments Post something about Xbox and in come the usual suspects with the same old same old

 

[solidus12]

Guys, remember when Microsoft wanted to sell 200 million Xbox one?

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-wanted-to-sell-200-million-xbox-one-consoles-originally

Now they will reach 8 billion players thanks to Gamepass and Xcloud

 

[Ozriel]

Yes of course good old Phil is going to state upfront before the biggest gaming purchase that yes MS is going to make the AB games exclusive just like Zenimax to Xbox. That would be stupid and asking for trouble. The only reason Phil is acting all noble and saying COD will remain on PS because he knows the backlash it would bring and the scrutiny.

…or because they plan to keep it multiplatform like they’ve said from the beginning and would like to keep earning the revenue from PlayStation purchase?

Or the fact that taking an industry leading multiplayer game exclusive to one console is one way to reduce its relevance in the competitive MP shooter scene?

Monopolistic practices are a MS staple.

Can you mention some of these monopolistic practices?

 

[Ozriel]

Guys, remember when Microsoft wanted to sell 200 million Xbox one?

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-wanted-to-sell-200-million-xbox-one-consoles-originally

Now they will reach 8 billion players thanks to Gamepass and Xcloud

anything potentially positive for xbox really troubles you, doesn’t it?

Why not save up for a $249 Series S so you don’t have to keep making this type of posts?

 

[oldergamer]

Please let us know what are those new "places" Activision are now able to sell their games because they were acquired by MS.

Smart tv, nintendo switch, just about any device with a screen. You know the devices they arent currently targetting. Not saying they couldn't do it already if they wanted but its what you can expect after the purchase

 

[ProgenitorCastle]

nutella

 

[oldergamer]

Lets not go there.
This is just a candy words for the mass. Those who cant read PR words.

MS wont reach more platforms currently. They dont have means. And Xcloud is currently at its infant stage.

What are you talking about. Ms is basically the only console maker targetting almost all devices with a screen. Of course they have the means. Xcloud is one way to help that along. You cant dismiss it for being new.

 

[oldergamer]

So what more platforms and places is that then?

Use your head and think about which devices activision isnt currently on. Seriously whats with the dumb questions?

 

[oldergamer]

That is not what i am saying. All i am saying as that if they dont see the returns on their investment they may leave the hardware biz and go the sega way.

Thats not going to happen. I cant believe some are still trying to use this angle. They can do both hardware and software.

 

[DarkMage619]

So put up the stats that show that more people play console games streaming or on mobile? Because you know your chatting shit.

I don't have to. Nadella said more options. MS is putting games on more devices. Those devices happen to not necessarily be PlayStation but they absolutely outnumber PlayStation so it's objectively true. No one is stopping anyone from using a non-PlayStation device. If you choose to lock yourself in that's your choice.

 

[oldergamer]

Spencer himself told something that without mobile xbox model is unsustainable.

I guess i could be more clear about my 3rd pary claim. Gamepass' whole claim is putting new games day one on gamepass. While this may be easy to do with your 1st party, i dont think you would have a strong bargaining power when you are desparate for content and dealing with 3rd parties for day one release. And you can not maintain a service like that with releasing indie games every month, day one. Again i love gamepass because i love indie games but to sustain it you have put out more new AAA games.

Nintendo and Sony are charging almost the same for their sub model, what MS is charging for gamepass with a lot less investment. And dont forget how ms wanted to get rid off live gold few months back.

Bathesda is lazy af dude. I mainly meant bathesda software. They release 1 game every 3 or 4 years. Yeah, so revenue vise it didnt pay off. Activision probably brings 20 to 30 bil every year with candy crush and CoD alone.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. He means console market growth isnt sustainable. Meaning there is 250 + million households for consoles and that number is growing at a slower rate compared to mobile.

The fight for a larger slice of that pie is always a battle. Its worth staying in it. Despite some countries have already gone more mobile (like japan) and console market growth just isnt sustainable there, and its likely to be a trend other countries will follow.

That is why they want in on the market that currently has the most growth potential.

 

[pasterpl]

Another stupid statement. So what does that make MS and Xbox?
MS and Sony are competing in the console and to a lesser extent the PC market.

It is a fact. You call it stupid makes you ignorant, unwilling to accept the facts. And yes, Xbox hardware is even smaller piece of this pie compared to playstation.

Yeah but who's had the bigger fines? Who nearly got split up?

Lol. You do understand that most fines at this level are % of company rev/profit, sony being such a small company compared to ms would go bankrupt if they would have to pay fines in bn of dollars, while for ms it is pocket money. Fines are designed to penalise a company and deter them from making same ‘mistakes’ in the future and not make it bankrupt. Do you have any clue how the real world works?

 

[solidus12]

anything potentially positive for xbox really troubles you, doesn’t it?

Why not save up for a $249 Series S so you don’t have to keep making this type of posts?

Yes, it troubles me that I might lose access to established third party games.

And no, I won’t buy a Series S; not until there are great games with insane attention to detail and great production values.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Gaming is making alot of money in the current market, due to f2p and live service games.
People here are very short sighted, as they only want games to play.

But MS and Sony are seeing games, which makes more than their games. They want slice of those pie.

Which brings us to the main point. MS wants a slice of those revenue. Your traditional games arent going to give them that much money.

While not wrong, it's mostly MS' problem.

Like what we've discussed in that other thread, Xbox is losing relevance.
That's why they keep throwing money around and talking all over the place.

 

[Pelta88]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. He means console market growth isnt sustainable.

How are you going to change Phil Spencer's words to fit your own narrative. He specifically said that XBOX isn't sustainable without mobile.

Like, we all know he's lying. You don't have to make up a mathematical equation to support his lies and PR.

 

[Kagey K]

Yes, it troubles me that I might lose access to established third party games.

And no, I won’t buy a Series S; not until there are great games with insane attention to detail and great production values.

Well apparently those 3rd party games have the production values and insane attention to detail, so it would be 1 more reason to buy one.

Gears 5 has those as well. There is no shortage of attention to detail on Xbox, but the syalized look of some of these games isn't up to your standards.

I'd say you should have just ended with I'll never buy an Xbox, no matter what. It would have been more honest.

 

[pasterpl]

Like what we've discussed in that other thread, Xbox is losing relevance.

Losing relevance while selling more console hardware than any previous Xbox console generation, that is some achievement by MS.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Losing relevance while selling more console hardware than any previous Xbox console generation, that is some achievement by MS.

MS is telling you themselves.
Some people just don't want to hear it.

It went from

"X360 sales Muahahah"

To

"Who cares about sales? It's all about GamePass"

To

"Well, y'know, GamePass is profitable to us, but not really sustainable.
It's all about f2p"

To

"Yeah, well, Xbox basically doesn't really have a future without the mobile market."

Looking at what Nadella is saying, it looks more and more like MS is on it's way to become a 3rd party publisher, instead of a competitor to Sony and Nintendo.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing, btw.
Definitely the best way to go for MS.

 

[feynoob]

What are you talking about. Ms is basically the only console maker targetting almost all devices with a screen. Of course they have the means. Xcloud is one way to help that along. You cant dismiss it for being new.

Targeting and having actual consumers are two different things.

MS is abandoning existing customers, for a theoretical consumers.

 

[feynoob]

While not wrong, it's mostly MS' problem.

Like what we've discussed in that other thread, Xbox is losing relevance.
That's why they keep throwing money around and talking all over the place.

Come on man you actually believe this crap?

 

[feynoob]

Looking at what Nadella is saying, it looks more and more like MS is on it's way to become a 3rd party publisher, instead of a competitor to Sony and Nintendo.

I guess those 75b are just being thrown pn the wall.

I can honestly count on internet people, to tell me, that they know better than actual people, who work in the field.

 

[Flutta]

MS is telling you themselves.
Some people just don't want to hear it.

It went from

"X360 sales Muahahah"

To

"Who cares about sales? It's all about GamePass"

To

"Well, y'know, GamePass is profitable to us, but not really sustainable.
It's all about f2p"

To

"Yeah, well, Xbox basically doesn't really have a future without the mobile market."

Looking at what Nadella is saying, it looks more and more like MS is on it's way to become a 3rd party publisher, instead of a competitor to Sony and Nintendo.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing, btw.
Definitely the best way to go for MS.

How is that going to work when they still sell Xboxes? I mean the majority of their subs comes from console gamers.

Their goal is not to be a 3party pub, instead they want to take over most of the gaming market by buying up big franchises to ”force” people into their walledgarden. Don’t look at what they say more at what they do. That’s how i see it.

 

[feynoob]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. He means console market growth isnt sustainable. Meaning there is 250 + million households for consoles and that number is growing at a slower rate compared to mobile.

The fight for a larger slice of that pie is always a battle. Its worth staying in it. Despite some countries have already gone more mobile (like japan) and console market growth just isnt sustainable there, and its likely to be a trend other countries will follow.

That is why they want in on the market that currently has the most growth potential.

Console market can't go beyond 150m, because of their production. They also have 1 purpose which is gaming. Pc and mobile have multiple functions.

In term of real growth, console don't have that, unlike pc and mobile. There are more than 700m devices of mobile or pc.

At the same time, you can't transition from a console model to a new model, without some serious investment. Cloud gaming have the potential to go beyond due to (Mobile, pc and Tv combined). But we aren't their yet. They need to iron problems with Cloud gaming and increase marketing for the product.

How are you going to change Phil Spencer's words to fit your own narrative. He specifically said that XBOX isn't sustainable without mobile.

Like, we all know he's lying. You don't have to make up a mathematical equation to support his lies and PR.

Console alone isn't enough. You need to expand your business. Sony is branching their gaming to PC and increasing their mobile investment. Nintendo is also investing on mobile.

This isn't xbox exclusive thing.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

How is that going to work when they still sell Xboxes? I mean the majority of their subs comes from console gamers.

Their goal is not to be a 3party pub, instead they want to take over most of the gaming market by buying up big franchises to ”force” people into their walledgarden. Don’t look at what they say more at what they do. That’s how i see it.

Apparently, subs from console gamers aren't enough if they have to shift focus on f2p and the mobile market.

This gen will be a transition to whatever it is they're up to after this gen, which I believe will be 3rd party publishing.

Hence Nadella saying they want to offer competition to publishers.

Let's be honest, what would be the downside of them going 3rd party? Other than the end of Xbox as we know it?

 

[feynoob]

To the people who aren't paying attention to mobile market.

"Diablo Immortal, Blizzard's mobile-focused entry in its action-RPG franchise, has now earned over $300 million in revenue, according to reports"

That is essentially selling 5m copies at 60$ price. That is how much money mobile games bring. Low cost production with high profit.

 

[NickFire]

To the people who aren't paying attention to mobile market.

"Diablo Immortal, Blizzard's mobile-focused entry in its action-RPG franchise, has now earned over $300 million in revenue, according to reports"

That is essentially selling 5m copies at 60$ price. That is how much money mobile games bring. Low cost production with high profit.

Everyone gets the cash cow that mobile is. And it makes perfect sense for MS to chase that revenue. It’s just completely irrelevant to people who want COD protected. MS crying about mobile or striving for world peace where everyone plays Starfield on cell phones just doesn‘t matter when it’s all about COD getting protected.

 

[feynoob]

Everyone gets the cash cow that mobile is. And it makes perfect sense for MS to chase that revenue. It’s just completely irrelevant to people who want COD protected. MS crying about mobile or striving for world peace where everyone plays Starfield on cell phones just doesn‘t matter when it’s all about COD getting protected.

COD issues is just the contract. Both parties have different contract.
That is up to regulators.

As for mobile games, they aren't console games. They are your average turn based games, or other mobile games. Mobile players aren't interested in playing starfield on their phone. That is console/pc users.
MS can bring their games through cloud on mobile as much as they want to, but they won't get mobile users that much, due to the attention span.

 

[reinking]

What are you talking about. Ms is basically the only console maker targetting almost all devices with a screen. Of course they have the means. Xcloud is one way to help that along. You cant dismiss it for being new.

Sony has streaming to PC/phones/tablets too. They are also launching games on PC. The only place I can think of that you can play Xbox that you can't play Playstation is on Samsung TVs. What am I not remembering? Seriously, I don't stream games so I am struggling to think of where you can play Xbox games and not Playstation games.

 

[solidus12]

Well apparently those 3rd party games have the production values and insane attention to detail, so it would be 1 more reason to buy one.

Gears 5 has those as well. There is no shortage of attention to detail on Xbox, but the syalized look of some of these games isn't up to your standards.

I'd say you should have just ended with I'll never buy an Xbox, no matter what. It would have been more honest.

I’ll get one once there’s a game that matches Uncharted 2.

 

[Unknown?]

"Our entire goal is to bring more options for gamers to be able to play*"

*As long as it's on one of our platforms.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Come on man you actually believe this crap?

In the post above this one, you yourself state that MS is abandoning their existing userbase for a theoretical one:

Targeting and having actual consumers are two different things.

MS is abandoning existing customers, for a theoretical consumers.

Why on earth would they do that if they're not losing relevance otherwise?