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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.

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Switch has no chance to outsell ps2, nor will anyone ever do it.
PS2 was a very unique case indeed. Sold for $99 in the end, mostly used as a cheap DVD player (while hardware sales were still good, software sales plummeted to almost zero at the same time). I still think it could happen for Switch, the legs are real.
 
MS being sneaky? LOL! By giving FACTS? Hmm...okay, that's a new one.

If a healthy person beats someone with a broken ankle in a foot race, is that really a win?

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Someday many of those Series S machines are going to get traded up for a Series X or whatever the next Series letters will be.
All those Series S machines are going to find homes elsewhere and all the games are going to move along with you.

I've checked my Playstation friend list and I think everyone on there has a trophy for Astrobot Playroom. That means all my friends must be sneaking over to my house and playing my PS5.
Honey, you got some 'splaining to do.
 

Roni

Gold Member
I think Xbox is doing great atm. Just think the X and the S, while both next gen consoles, are different enough that they segment the market. Different situation than PS5 disc/digital.
Unless Series X starts getting games that are absent for Series S owners, I can't see how that particular line you're drawing is any different from the line the disk/digital versions of PS5 have.

Different specs for different prices, play the same games.
 

HeisenbergFX4

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If a healthy person beats someone with a broken ankle in a foot race, is that really a win?

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Coming from a retired professional athlete I can assure you when I took the mound and when I struck out any hitter the feeling was just as good if they were perfectly healthy or they were injured in some way
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Yeah, a bit weird for folks to keep beating their chest about 2021 when 2022 is void of first party games on Xbox. One would think with all the studio acquisitions made over the last four years that this wouldn't be an issue, but here we are.

A bit weird for you to completely misconstrue their comment. I believe he made that statement in response to an ‘xbox has no games’ troll post.

Yes, acquisitions should be expected to provide the stream of games, but let’s not pretend COVID didn’t happen, studios didn’t release games just prior to acquisition (Doom Eternal & Outer Worlds, for example) and that two Zenimax first party games weren’t already picked up for exclusivity by Sony (Ghostwire & Deathloop).

I never said MS doesn't MAKE games, just that the Xbox doesn't have exclusive ones. For example Halo Infinite is on Steam. AoE4 isn't even ON Xbox! I suppose you think Switch would have had its kick start in 2017 if BotW and Odyssey came out on PC.

To be fair, I used the phrase "shipped games", yes they published games but I had meant in the context that would have really strengthened Xbox hardware, not just any platform they push it on lol.

Hilarious of you to claim that console exclusives don’t strengthen the appeal of console hardware if said games are also on PC.

For many, many people, PC and consoles don’t overlap.
 
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Honestly if anyone here believe marketing spins whatever it's Sony or MS, then it's on them for being idiots (with all respect to everyone)
Msoft stopped giving out numbers several years ago, part-way into the PS4/ Xbox One generation. It's nothing new, and makes perfect sense they would continue not giving them out. Because they really don't matter, and the number of systems you sell doesn't really illustrate how much money your platform business is making, given software, accessories, and subscriptions.
 

Three

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So you can't prove it. Got it. We know the Series S is readily available so if MS is able to manufacture a ton of these their total production between the Series S and X may be higher. Can you prove otherwise?

And also, even if Sony is producing more, they are still having bigger supply issues than Microsoft because they're not meeting demand. Microsoft isn't either due to the limited supply of Series X consoles, but they're doing a much better job. And this goes back to what a brilliant move it was by Microsoft to develop the Series S. If Sony had a similar type of PS5 that was easier to manufacture they would be better equipped to meet demand. Right now they're not. And that's a huge boon to Microsoft.
Can you prove MS have higher production than sony? You're the one who made the claim.
Tell me how has PS5 been selling around 1.5x xbox Series globally with lower supply. It does not take a genius just because MS hides numbers.
 

DaGwaphics

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The PS4 ran games at 1080p and the PS4 Pro ran games at 4K, the XSS runs games at 1080p/1440p and the XSX runs games at 4K. How does the former not segment the market but the latter does?

There is zero segmentation as long as the software is supported by both machines, not from a consumer perspective anyway.
 
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They were released at the same exact time and share an identical software library, they are for sure, 100%, absolutely considered the same generation/ family of systems.

When someone bought a 2DS over a New 3DS XL, it was still a 3DS sale for Nintendo. +1 to the install base. Also, PS4/ PS4 Pro. Xbox One S/ Xbox One X.
 
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Agreed, worldwide won't be hard to pull off ;)

Xbox up until now has been functionally non-existent in Japan, and Sony's had an iron grip on Europe. With the stock shortages, Msoft has the chance to gain some share outside the US, for sure. Personally, I think XSX is a great console, and I'm very happy to see it doing so well. I had an Xbox One and thought the way Msoft turned things around starting in 2015 was awesome.
Let's be clear too that I think the HD console market as a whole will expand this generation. Both are selling at record setting pace despite heavy supply constraints. And that's with barely a current exclusive out there. I don't see how there will be some major drop off in demand with a start like that. Plus I believe this generation will be a year longer. And I could also see developing countries buying more consoles.

Steam went from no user base to 120 million monthly users in some 15 years without it harming the console market. In the same way I don't believe there is some console user base threshold that cannot be surpassed.

And yes, worldwide I am certain that the PS5 will outsell the Series.
 

ChiefDada

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The PS4 ran games at 1080p and the PS4 Pro ran games at 4K, the XSS runs games at 1080p/1440p and the XSX runs games at 4K. How does the former not segment the market but the latter does?

Good point/question. And I only think it muddies comparison in this particular gen because PS5 doesn't have an equivalent "baby brother" like Series X does. This isn't heavy judgement against Microsoft, just pointing out a nuance. It's a shame console wars and trolling are so expected these days that even those who come in good faith are labeled as such (in general, not directed at you).
 

oldergamer

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Can you prove MS have higher production than sony? You're the one who made the claim.
Tell me how has PS5 been selling around 1.5x xbox Series globally with lower supply. It does not take a genius just because MS hides numbers.
MS dedicated a portion of hardware manufacturing ( including processor and graphics chips ) toward the server blades needed to host streaming next gen games. Sony used all if its manufacturing capacity to make PS5 consoles ( even stopping PS4 manufacturing for a while)

That helped to contribute to why sony was able to manufacture more PS5's early on.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
They deserve to be the best in next gen sales.
Game Pass is incredible, they care more about BC, weren’t looking to charge for performance upgrades, and have accumulated a crazy number of studios and franchises.

If I wasn’t invested in PC, I’d choose a Series X easily over the competition.
 
Let's be clear too that I think the HD console market as a whole will expand this generation. Both are selling at record setting pace despite heavy supply constraints. And that's with barely a current exclusive out there. I don't see how there will be some major drop off in demand with a start like that. Plus I believe this generation will be a year longer. And I could also see developing countries buying more consoles.

Steam went from no user base to 120 million monthly users in some 15 years without it harming the console market. In the same way I don't believe there is some console user base threshold that cannot be surpassed.

And yes, worldwide I am certain that the PS5 will outsell the Series.
For sure, PS5 will not lose 1st place in Europe to Xbox, but Xbox will make inroads. Console gaming is growing, same as with PC gaming. Industry keeps getting bigger!
 

Kagey K

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MS dedicated a portion of hardware manufacturing ( including processor and graphics chips ) toward the server blades needed to host streaming next gen games. Sony used all if its manufacturing capacity to make PS5 consoles ( even stopping PS4 manufacturing for a while)

That helped to contribute to why sony was able to manufacture more PS5's early on.
Where were the "if a healthy athlete beats an athlete with a broken ankle" metaphors back then? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Three

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MS dedicated a portion of hardware manufacturing ( including processor and graphics chips ) toward the server blades needed to host streaming next gen games. Sony used all if its manufacturing capacity to make PS5 consoles ( even stopping PS4 manufacturing for a while)

That helped to contribute to why sony was able to manufacture more PS5's early on.
Possibly a good theory but our resident banned user who came back from the dead to be shamed for losing a bet is playing both sides. In the other thread of the earning report he is saying, that quarter, Xbox hardware sales were down 11% YoY and 5.3% to the previous quarter because supply was worse. Here he is saying MS solved their supply issues. If MS were fitting server blades last year xbox supply would be up and sales would be up. Here he is claiming both that supply situation is bad so lower sales AND MS are great at production now because they solved it.
 

Lognor

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Can you prove MS have higher production than sony? You're the one who made the claim.
Tell me how has PS5 been selling around 1.5x xbox Series globally with lower supply. It does not take a genius just because MS hides numbers.
Sneaky Microsoft hiding numbers!! It's not fair! waaah!!

Give me a break.

And I didn't claim that Microsoft has higher production. I said they have done a better job of overcoming their supply chain issues. That does not mean they are producing more. They are producing more in line to meet demand. They are doing a better job than Sony of meeting demand. If Sony has higher demand they're not doing a good job of meeting it with their current output. Your comprehension skills seem to be lacking.
 

Topher

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A bit weird for you to completely misconstrue their comment. I believe he made that statement in response to an ‘xbox has no games’ troll.

No, I didn't misconstrue anything. Bragging about publisher of the year in 2021 while we are getting nothing from Microsoft in 2022 is just a weird take.

Yes, acquisitions should be expected to provide the stream of games, but let’s not pretend COVID didn’t happen, studios didn’t release games just prior to acquisition (Doom Eternal & Outer Worlds, for example) and that two Zenimax first party games weren’t already picked up for exclusivity by Sony (Ghostwire & Deathloop).

Ok? I didn't suggest any of that wasn't true. I simply said "one would think" that with all the studios they have now they would be able to release a game this year. No need to get defensive about that.
 

BlackTron

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Hilarious of you to claim that console exclusives don’t strengthen the appeal of console hardware if said games are also on PC.

For many, many people, PC and consoles don’t overlap.

Does it help? Of course. A lot even. But when I said "really strengthen" I meant it. To the tune of what an exclusive game would do.

MS publishes its games on everything, for example Psyconauts 2 is on Playstaton, Ori is on Switch. Yes there are still "console exclusive" games but it's hard to believe this many people wanted an Xbox because they want to play Flight Sim or Forza and don't want a PC. We can go back and forth all day, my opinion stands that Xbox is doing this fantastic simply because they haven't shot themselves in the feet and its a box to play games that exists on the shelf to buy.

There is no "data" to show that proves this. It's just an opinion/speculation. If you don't like it, you don't have to accept it. But a huge number of those XB sales would not happen if Sony had as many units as people are willing to buy. In fact I think it'd be a bloodbath.
 

Lognor

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Does it help? Of course. A lot even. But when I said "really strengthen" I meant it. To the tune of what an exclusive game would do.

MS publishes its games on everything, for example Psyconauts 2 is on Playstaton, Ori is on Switch. Yes there are still "console exclusive" games but it's hard to believe this many people wanted an Xbox because they want to play Flight Sim or Forza and don't want a PC. We can go back and forth all day, my opinion stands that Xbox is doing this fantastic simply because they haven't shot themselves in the feet and its a box to play games that exists on the shelf to buy.

There is no "data" to show that proves this. It's just an opinion/speculation. If you don't like it, you don't have to accept it. But a huge number of those XB sales would not happen if Sony had as many units as people are willing to buy. In fact I think it'd be a bloodbath.
Well good for Microsoft I guess that Sony dropped the ball. Sony should have made a Series S type of PS5 that was easier to manufacture to get more consoles into people's hands. They didn't have the foresight that Microsoft had though. And it's to Microsoft's advantage. They've made a huge comeback vs last gen. It's great to see!

And even still, I don't know that it would be a bloodbath if Sony was doing a good job of getting supply into customers' hands. The Series consoles have a much better value proposition than the Xbox One. The launch of the Xbox One was an absolute disaster for Microsoft, and even though they had a ton more launch exclusives than the PS4 (which really struggled with content for the first 1-2 years) the Xbox One was just not appealing to most people. And they were never really able to course correct last gen. Things are much different this gen. Microsoft has the more powerful console, they have Game Pass, and the acquisitions they've made have gotten people a lot more interested in the brand than they were last gen. So no, I don't think it would be a bloodbath. Microsoft would have taken market share even if both the PS5 and Series consoles were readily available from the start.
 

Three

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Sneaky Microsoft hiding numbers!! It's not fair! waaah!!

Give me a break.
Nothing to do with being sneaky but clearly it makes it difficult to know production when they don't provide shipped numbers and your ass asking for a source when you are the one making claims about better supply chain for lower numbers. You're just being as obtuse as ever trying to ask for a source when it doesn't take a genius to know who has higher production output.
 

HeisenbergFX4

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Good point/question. And I only think it muddies comparison in this particular gen because PS5 doesn't have an equivalent "baby brother" like Series X does. This isn't heavy judgement against Microsoft, just pointing out a nuance. It's a shame console wars and trolling are so expected these days that even those who come in good faith are labeled as such (in general, not directed at you).
Was the whole game plan of the S and X to have the edge in power and the edge in pricing
 

Lognor

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Nothing to do with being sneaky but clearly it makes it difficult to know production when they don't provide shipped numbers and your ass asking for a source when you are the one making claims about better supply chain for lower numbers. You're just being as obtuse as ever trying to ask for a source when it doesn't take a genius to know who has higher production output.
You salty I called you out on your made up shit. Deal with it. And you still can't comprehend my post. SMH. Take the L.
 

ManaByte

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MS publishes its games on everything, for example Psyconauts 2 is on Playstaton

Psychonauts 2 is a bad example as the PS4 version only exists as it was a requirement from the Kickstarter, the PS4 version was one of the Kickstarter tier rewards. There's no PS5 version like there's a native XSX version.
 
Well good for Microsoft I guess that Sony dropped the ball. Sony should have made a Series S type of PS5 that was easier to manufacture to get more consoles into people's hands. They didn't have the foresight that Microsoft had though. And it's to Microsoft's advantage. They've made a huge comeback vs last gen. It's great to see!

Has MS released a breakdown of the Series S and X sales? How are you so confident the Series S is responsible for the success Xbox is having?

Remember, console gen's last for years and I think this one will be the longest, At least 10+ years because of the impact covid had on everything.

I think Sony made the right decision in the long run with not making a Series S type console. Next year is suppose to be the first year were most games will be next gen only and I think the supply issues will lighten up by than so we will see.
 
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ChiefDada

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Lol of course it isn't their problem. But we are analyzing company statements from an earnings announcement, so naturally it is up to us to apply fair and appropriate context to whatever they say. That's all I did here, without judgment. Some people took it as me attacking their favorite console platform, which is unfortunate.
 

Ev1L AuRoN

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Series S is the one console we can go any day into any store and buy with no troubles whatsoever.
If I want a series X or PS5 I need to be put into a waiting list.

Either way, congratulations to Microsoft, every Xbox sold is a win for game pass and Microsoft.
 

BlackTron

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Well good for Microsoft I guess that Sony dropped the ball. Sony should have made a Series S type of PS5 that was easier to manufacture to get more consoles into people's hands. They didn't have the foresight that Microsoft had though. And it's to Microsoft's advantage. They've made a huge comeback vs last gen. It's great to see!

And even still, I don't know that it would be a bloodbath if Sony was doing a good job of getting supply into customers' hands. The Series consoles have a much better value proposition than the Xbox One. The launch of the Xbox One was an absolute disaster for Microsoft, and even though they had a ton more launch exclusives than the PS4 (which really struggled with content for the first 1-2 years) the Xbox One was just not appealing to most people. And they were never really able to course correct last gen. Things are much different this gen. Microsoft has the more powerful console, they have Game Pass, and the acquisitions they've made have gotten people a lot more interested in the brand than they were last gen. So no, I don't think it would be a bloodbath. Microsoft would have taken market share even if both the PS5 and Series consoles were readily available from the start.

Here's the thing, I don't think it was foresight. It was luck. MS was not trying to make an easy to manufacture system that would be managable during COVID; they neither knew it would happen, nor that it would increase demand from all the bored people staying home. They simply wanted to have both the strongest AND the cheapest console at the same time, so they fragmented things. It was in stark contrast to PS5 "believe in Generations". Well as it turns out, MS made the lucky bet and Sony had to backpedal and begin treating PS4 like a PS5 Series S with its game releases.

Xbox has much better value proposition than last time, yes. But to be honest, I still think Sony could be mopping up if they had stock. Especially coming off Xbox One's reputation. The PS brand is a juggernaut. I remember thinking the PS2 was a bad value when it came out compared to Dreamcast. It still flicked away DC like it was a fly. Because Playstation. Look at the rabid demand for PS5s even now, and consider they are still making and selling more than the same period for PS4. It still feels like they can't make ANY because that's how little they are scratching the surface of demand.

I'm not even a Sony fanboy, if it were my way all games would be on Xbox because I hate using a PS controller. I didn't even appreciate PS1 and 2 libraries until years later. I'm not injecting my personal feelings or biases here, I have no desire to diminish any accomplishment against Sony. I'm just seeing it for what (I think) it really is.
 
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Ozriel

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Well as it turns out, MS made the lucky bet and Sony had to backpedal and begin treating PS4 like a PS5 Series S with its game releases

There’s no indication that there was ever any ‘backpedal’. AAA Support for last gen was already a certainly, not something baked in late in the game.
 

JCK75

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Damn Series S is only $289 on amazon and in stock.. My son has my One X back with his mom but I'm setting up his room in my new apartment next month I may set him up with one and hopefully the gamepass family plan is going to drop soon (or has it already dropped and I missed it?)
 

Lognor

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Has MS released a breakdown of the Series S and X sales? How are you so confident the Series S is responsible for the success Xbox is having?

Remember, console gen's last for years and I think this one will be the longest, At least 10+ years because of the impact covid had on everything.

I think Sony made the right decision in the long run with not making a Series S type console. Next year is suppose to be the first year were most games will be next gen only and I think the supply issues will lighten up by than so we will see.
I suppose we can keep playing this game of whether MS made the right move with the Series S until this gen ends. Right now it was clearly the right move. I don't think we have a breakdown between Series S and X sales (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but the Series S is the console that has been readily available all along. The SXS, like the PS5, has had sporadic availability.

And if the Series S does become long in the tooth as we move further into the gen, that's okay. Microsoft can probably make a new revision that is slightly more powerful like they did with the Xbox One S. And the Series S is inexpensive enough that if you need to replace it I don't see a massive uproar occurring. Nintendo pretty much has the OLED Switch as their base unit. My OG Switch still works fine, but they made some slight improvements and there wasn't a mass uproar about it. Microsoft can do something similar. And current gen games will continue to work on the Series S, but some of them might become less playable. The point is that Microsoft got the sales NOW. If the market shifts they can respond WHEN it does. But right now they clearly made the right call to make a Series S. It's paying dividends.
 

ManaByte

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Lol of course it isn't their problem. But we are analyzing company statements from an earnings announcement, so naturally it is up to us to apply fair and appropriate context to whatever they say. That's all I did here, without judgment. Some people took it as me attacking their favorite console platform, which is unfortunate.

But you are. You're making a disingenuous claim that the XSS and XSX segment the market when neither the PS4/PS4 Pro or XB1S/XB1X did just because Sony didn't do a similar split this generation. It's the exact same situation as the Pro consoles last gen. Both play the exact same games, just at different resolution/price points. But you're pretending that it NOW segments the market because it's not "fair" to another platform who didn't follow the same strategy this cycle.
 

Kagey K

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BlackTron

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Psychonauts 2 is a bad example as the PS4 version only exists as it was a requirement from the Kickstarter, the PS4 version was one of the Kickstarter tier rewards. There's no PS5 version like there's a native XSX version.

Fair enough, but regardless why it was on PS4, I've been slammed with talk that Xbox Game Studios had the best metacritic average in 2021 and THAT'S why Xbox hardware does so well. I'm more inclined to believe that's why Xbox games do well.
There’s no indication that there was ever any ‘backpedal’. AAA Support for last gen was already a certainly, not something baked in late in the game.

The only indication would be Sony's changing stance. You can say they reacted to forces, or that they simply lied from the beginning. You have to pick one though.
 
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