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[anthony2690]

While this may true, I believe the real reason is because the PS5 is still impossible to find while you can get series S especially and X everywhere almost.

I also believe sales will shift towards Xbox when COD is on game pass. That will really boost the Xbox. Especially if the deal is closed and they can get COD MW2 in time for game pass

In the UK, both consoles are pretty damn easy to get and have been really easy to get most off the year.

Whether the story is different in the USA, I have no idea.

 

[DenchDeckard]

What are the lifetime numbers for all consoles? (If haven’t seen either at a store.)



The differences are negligible when it comes to output and hardware (outside of the disk drive). That’s why the PS5 Standard / DE is one SKU. That’s a different scenario than the Series S / X.

No it isn't. The series s and series x play the same games. Its as simple as that.

 

[Pallas]

You could go ahead and count PS4 and PS4 PRO as one system.

FTFY

"We beat the PS5 for 3 quarters in North America (our strongest market) while the PS5 was heavily supply constrained due to production problems and failed to meet it's targets. Also, the Switch doesn't count because we sold less than it did."

They sure like to console war when it suits them, classic MS: "We don't talk about unit sales. Unless we have some shots to fire and info that suits us. But if we don't say anything please don't assume the worst."

You … really have a hard time giving credit when credit is due when it’s concerning Microsoft/Xbox huh? But let’s bash them for everything. Even for stuff that they aren’t even doing.

 

[Jormatar]

Impressive stuff by Xbox though it's pretty clear Series S plays a huge role in this. It's still the only console you can find on shelves.

 

[sinnergy]

But the GAF experts analyzed the MS earnings

 

[Chukhopops]

Don’t care about the PS5 comparison but growing the brand and selling faster than previous generations is excellent news.

There have been a few tough years (I’d say around 2015-2018) but things have been gravy since then. Glad more and more people are enjoying it.

 

[Sosokrates]

Not going to happen, I'm sure it'll be closer than last gen but nobody should be acting as if Sony isn't the favorite yet again, the fact is they can't make enough consoles while Xbox consoles are on store shelves everywhere, the series S specifically, the series x can still be pretty tough to find for periods of time.

What do you mean by "favourite"?

With the popularity of switch, cloud, mobile and PC gaming growing, that leaves less consumers for home consoles, However it may still grow slightly. The PS4 and X1 sold about 180million between them. Lets say the market grows to 200 million, sony sells 110million PS5s by 2027 and Microsoft sells 90 mill series consoles. But it could very well be the case that Microsoft has 100 million PC and cloud xbox customers and sony has 50million. Also lets not forget money made from cross platform games like call of duty, world of warcraft, starcraft etc.

So I would agree sony are the "favourites" to sell more consoles, but who makes the most revenue I would not say they are the favourites. Sony will likely make the most profit this gen. But over the next 20-30yrs I think Microsoft will.

 

[Robb]

Good on MS, I imagine they’d be extremely happy if they’d manage to reach the 360’s lifetime sales with the X/S.

 

[Duchess]

Console in healthy retail supply outsells console that remains hard to find, even 18+ months after launch.

As the kids say, that's some weird flex.

 

[Black_Stride]

Considering the Xbox division was almost canned, this is a hell of a turn around for Microsoft.

If they can get a steady stream of games going as well, Phil should be getting a good bonus come end of gen.

 

[MOTM]

I thought that MS declared unit sales meaningless BS... and we are back to "only US sales count", just like the 360 days!

I wonder why they are relevant now, must be a long covid effect or something.

It’s because y’all have been begging for numbers. So here’s a little something for you

Still not happy though from the looks of it

 

[PhaseJump]

Are you actually replying to the right person? I don't even follow what you are saying. Excuses for what? What I find funny here is how MS can't never help themselves when they think they got some info that makes them look good when compared to PlayStation yet will always pretend that they don't care otherwise, the whole passive aggressive thing combines with other false statements is what makes it funny.

"Breaking news. Competent CEO spins a yarn for PR points, causing anxiety and depression in the competition's customer base. Is seizing this opportunity a sign of bad business practices? Find out at 11."

 

[DenchDeckard]

Console in healthy retail supply outsells console that remains hard to find, even 18+ months after launch.

As the kids say, that's some weird flex.

Well, if like some people claim that the series X is easy to find and the xboxes are outselling ps5 it makes me question what the hell is up with sonys production? Graphics cards are in abundance now and seeing heavy discounts. The market is trending down in every aspect, demand is reduced at manufacturing plants yet Sony are still struggling to produce ps5s? Something doesn't add up.

 

[Fredrik]

In the UK, both consoles are pretty damn easy to get and have been really easy to get most off the year.

Whether the story is different in the USA, I have no idea.

That’s messed up, are they only focusing on the bigger markets? In Sweden you still can’t get a PS5 anywhere near launch price. Can get a RTX 3080 for the same price, roughly $900.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Every gen it's like this and at the end Playstation ends up on top.

Even PS3 outsold X360...

 

[MOTM]

In the UK, both consoles are pretty damn easy to get and have been really easy to get most off the year.

Whether the story is different in the USA, I have no idea.

In the UK too, no such thing as an actual shortage for any of the next gen consoles here

That lasted maybe for the first 6 months and that’s it

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Even PS3 outsold X360...

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

Outside of PS3, Playstation outsold Xbox ~2:1 each gen.

This time, Sony can't supply PS5 fast enough.
That's all there's to it.

This dance happens every start of each gen.

 

[Riky]

What is inevitably going to happen is that they'll follow the mobile model and just have games that will only work on Series X at some point and spin it as them moving beyond the concept of generations, they already talked about that sort of stuff in the past. They are shameless when it comes to walking back on promises, just like when they said the One X would have VR support but then just said "actually nope, that was just a lie".

Yes it makes total sense to stop making games for 50% of your installed base, please for your own sake don't ever start your own business.

 

[NahaNago]

That's great for xbox but I'm still unable to get a ps5.

 

[anthony2690]

In the UK too, no such thing as an actual shortage for any of the next gen consoles here

That lasted maybe for the first 6 months and that’s it

I honestly felt like people spent more time moaning about scalpers than actually trying to get a console in the UK haha after the first 6 months, as they were never relatively difficult to get, as I ended up getting most the consoles for family and friends.

 

[Rivet]

It's PR spin at its finest. It's not difficult to outsell something people couldn't buy. They produced more consoles than their competition so congrats on that I guess. Even today XSX is available while PS5 isn't.

Tracking higher than Xbox 360 sales isn't a very high hurdle either. Gaming market grew a lot in the last 15 years... Xbox 360 was a long time ago.

We'll know if their new console is successful only in a few years, although having hardware sales dropping 2 digits in yesterday results and missing latest Gamepass MS growth target were early negative indications.

 

[Popup]

In the UK, both consoles are pretty damn easy to get and have been really easy to get most off the year.

Whether the story is different in the USA, I have no idea.

When you say both, do you mean PS5 and Series X? I live in UK, and availability is the polar opposite on both these consoles everywhere. Even on a stock informer site, one is plentiful, the other desolate.

 

[Elios83]

While we don't have actual numbers to put in context how much they have been able to outsell PS5 in the last few months in NA, it's obviously due to a combination of factors.
PS5 was hit by heavy shortages especially between December and March.
This situation hit Sony way harder than Microsoft because Sony has huge demand all over the world and can't completely focus just on US and UK (although they have also clearly favoured those markets as well given the strategic importance).
Microsoft also looked at the situation and smartly shifted production towards Series S (which is much easier to manufacture) and indeed it has been possibile to buy one of those in any moment since last summer. Sony has not that alternative to mitigate the impact of shortages although their global numbers are still very strong with over 20m units sold.

Things are changing again though because it's clear that since June Sony has been able to considerably increase their supply and they're expecting huge numbers for the whole year.
Let's see if there is an update on the matter during tomorrow's fiscal results announcement.

About MS it's kinda obvious that when they have something positive to say they'll say it.
If they're losing in hardware sales it's all about MAU and ecosystem. If Gamepass has strong growth they'll give all sort of percentages otherwise they'll stay silent. It's PR.

 

[anthony2690]

It's PR spin at its finest. It's not difficult to outsell something people couldn't buy. They produced more consoles than their competition so congrats on that I guess.

Beating 360 sales isn't a very high hurdle either. Gaming market grew a lot in the last 15 years... Xbox 360 was a long time ago.

We'll know if their new console is successful only in a few years, although having hardware sales dropping 2 digits yesterday and missing latest Gamepass MS growth target were early negative indications.

I can't imagine Microsoft are making more consoles than Sony, I just imagine they've probably allocated more to the USA, where as Sony are probably sending higher shipments to Japan & maybe other regions than Microsoft, due to less demand for Xbox in Japan in general (even then Xbox Series consoles has nearly doubled Xbox one sales already in Japan)

 

[Rivet]

About MS it's kinda obvious that when they have something positive to say they'll say it.
If they're losing in hardware sales it's all about MAU and ecosystem. If Gamepass has strong growth they'll give all sort of percentages otherwise they'll stay silent. It's PR.

Yes, and they've been basically silent about gamepass since it missed its latest growth target, which says it all. Zero number given since, just the fact it's growing, which is obvious when you sell $1 GP Ultimate upgrades.

 

[anthony2690]

When you say both, do you mean PS5 and Series X? I live in UK, and availability is the polar opposite on both these consoles everywhere. Even on a stock informer site, one is plentiful, the other desolate.

Ps5 was recently in stock for over a week on very with the horizon bundle, or horizon+ratchet
Same with shopto, amazon & game, a friend got his tax back from work and literally got the horizon bundle last week too with ease.
The game collection, has one off their crappy bundles in for weeks now, as no one wants to buy it (as great as the game collection is, I highly recommend site for game preorders, but their ps5 bundle sucks imo)

 

[GametimeUK]

It's good to see everyone's console of choice is doing well. It's double good that everyone's console of choice seems to be amazing this time round.

Since this is about Microsoft though I will share my thoughts quickly on what I think the Series X does well. First off I enjoy the whole Xbox eco system. You have gamepass and the PC integration that makes it simple to continue my gaming cross platform. I love how feature rich the console is with VRR, FPS boost, backwards compatability, auto HDR and resolution boosts for older games. I think Microsofts first party line up was particularly strong last year even if this year leaves a lot to be desired. It has an amazing controller and the best console online store right now due to 360 games being on there and digital refunds for games you have played.

Great stuff, Microsoft.

 

[Rivet]

I can't imagine Microsoft are making more consoles than Sony, I just imagine they've probably allocated more to the USA, where as Sony are probably sending higher shipments to Japan & maybe other regions than Microsoft, due to less demand for Xbox in Japan in general (even then Xbox Series consoles has nearly doubled Xbox one sales already in Japan)

Of course they shipped more. Seies S was available everywhere in the world for months and you couldn't find a PS5 anywhere. It's probably easier to build than a PS5. Maybe they weren't hit by shortages as much (PS5 had rare parts like the ultra fast SSD), maybe MS had the power to negotiate better production deals, I don't know.

 

[anthony2690]

Of course they shipped more. Seies S was available everywhere in the world for months and you couldn't find a PS5 anywhere. It's probably easier to build than a PS5. Maybe they weren't hit by shortages as much (PS5 had rare parts like the ultra fast SSD), maybe MS had the power to negotiate better production deals, I don't know.

Apparently the series S uses the same chip that Sony and Microsoft were having shortages off that effected production in the first place, obviously I don't know how true this is, as I don't produce the consoles.

Maybe someone else here knows though.
Plus I think Sony has got more consoles out since the gen has started as they apparently started production first, as Microsoft were apparently waiting for some RDNA stuff to be finished. (Going off an interview with Phil)

Regardless I don't think it's a big issue, as long as all consoles are doing well and there is healthy demand for both, it's good for us as fans off games as it will push them both to be competitive to add value for us as consumers.

 

[Roufianos]

Good. A more competitive market is better for gamers.

All the fanboy bitches in this thread downplaying this must love their £70 remakes and paying a premium subscription for two shitty PSP games. Arrogant Sony isn't your friend.

 

[Chukhopops]

Yes, and they've been basically silent about gamepass since it missed its latest growth target, which says it all. Zero number given since, just the fact it's growing, which is obvious when you sell $1 GP Ultimate upgrades.

Missed target story: October 21
Latest published GP numbers: January 22

 

[TheGodfather07]

What's the actual current total sold for PS5 and series consoles in the US? without actual numbers, statements like this are meaningless.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Thought MS don't talk about gaming sales?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

What's the actual current total sold for PS5 and series consoles in the US? without actual numbers, statements like this are meaningless.

Specially considering the PS5 is already outselling the Xbox again since last month and has outsold the Xbox overall since day one.

 

[Fredrik]

Thought MS don't talk about gaming sales?

They still don’t do it, only said it’s tracking ahead on Xbox One and Xbox 360, with how much is still a mystery.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Even the ps5 Is in stock in the UK and stock lasts days now. Maybe they should send those to the US? Or maybe the units do sell and get restocked and we are slowly reaching the point that restocks are almost inline with projected demand?

 

[Neolombax]

Its still pretty hard to get hold of a ps5 here where I live. I'll give props to microsoft for being able to steadily supply the consoles in this time of component shortages.

 

[Thebonehead]

These threads are great for exposing the mentally ill among us

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Yep, PS3 was a total disaster.

 

[Mister Wolf]

As a stock holder thats the kind of news I like to hear.

 

[Södy]

This is not true…

Think about, all platforms have FIFA, COD, Apex and Fornite. Exclusives are one of the reasons people decide which platform to buy.

I think it's more about what friends have and what console I had previously. The casual gamer usually doesn't switch brands.

 

[Whitecrow]

Ps5 in spain is almost impossible to find unless someone tells you about upcoming stock ans the prices is always higher than 650 bucks. Its always sold out.

Series S is what is giving MS the edge. Easier to produce, more supply, cheaper.

I highly highly doubt that at equal stock and price, SeriesX would have outsold PS5

 

[phil_t98]

Oh....it seems you are new.

Isn't the engagement lower this quarter .

hey look at you in another xbox thread shit posting

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

Outside of PS3, Playstation outsold Xbox ~2:1 each gen.

This time, Sony can't supply PS5 fast enough.
That's all there's to it.

This dance happens every start of each gen.

What was that gap in North America between PS3 and X360 by the end of the gen?

 

[ActusReusJB]

Outside of PS3, Playstation outsold Xbox ~2:1 each gen.

This time, Sony can't supply PS5 fast enough.
That's all there's to it.

This dance happens every start of each gen.

I don’t know about that. If you look at the sales numbers for the 1+ year mark last gen PS4 was out to a massive lead.

 

[pasterpl]

It's PR spin at its finest. It's not difficult to outsell something people couldn't buy. They produced more consoles than their competition so congrats on that I guess. Even today XSX is available while PS5 isn't.

LOL, so he shouldn't mention that (the only other next-gen console on the market) at all because Sony cannot manufacture enough consoles? Btw. this is a big assumption on your side, I can see PS5 being available in US shops (Target, Walmart etc. every couple of days), XSX is available almost at all times now, and XSS is always available. We are also talking about 3 quarters in a row when they outsold PS5.

Tracking higher than Xbox 360 sales isn't a very high hurdle either. Gaming market grew a lot in the last 15 years... Xbox 360 was a long time ago.

This is even more stupid than your quote above. Let's not mention that XS consoles are selling better than our best-selling console in history as it was so long ago and it is of no interest to our shareholders. Would it be better if they would compare it XBO instead? I guess then you would say why they are even comparing it to XBO when we all know that XBO was a mess at launch. You are just a low-quality troll that cannot cope with this news.

There are a couple of facts that people need to accept;

- MS is not disclosing exact units sold of their consoles, tablets, phones etc.
- MS is not disclosing regularly numbers of users of their subscription services Gamepass, Office 365, Azure or even Windows OS
- MS is multi-trillion dollar company

Also, their gaming division had its best year ever in terms of revenue generated.

And for the stock market experts here in NeoGaf;

Microsoft misses estimates but stock up 5% on rosy guidance

Microsoft said it would have had more revenue in the quarter were it not for unfavorable foreign-exchange rates and tougher PC and advertising markets.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

What was that gap in North America between PS3 and X360 by the end of the gen?

Dunno, what was the gap worldwide?

And what were the gaps between PS2/Xbox OG and PS4/XBO?

Edit:

Meant to say PS2 vs Xbox OG, not PS One.

 

[Team Andromeda]

It's PR spin at its finest. It's not difficult to outsell something people couldn't buy. They produced more consoles than their competition so congrats on that I guess. Even today XSX is available while PS5 isn't.

No it's manufacturing at its finest and for all the hate the Series S has been a brilliant move for MS and just what MS needs to make sure for great developer support going forward after the mess of the XBox One

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

I don’t know about that. If you look at the sales numbers for the 1+ year mark last gen PS4 was out to a massive lead.

Sure, but the world is burning atm so it's not a 1:1 comparison.