Mr Moose
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Are you talking about Sony or MicroSoft? Because they both do it.
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ManaByte
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When the Activision purchase happened people kept pushing them as Sony’s saviors as they are former COD devs. They were assuming they were making and exclusive COD clone for Sony. Their game is a co-op action/RPG running on Unreal 4.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Nah I like Ubisoft games too. I've subscribed to Ubisoft Connect and enjoy Far Cry, Watch Dogs and The Division.
Ubisoft would be the better buy imo.
So many good games in so many different genres under that publisher.
VAVA Mk2
Member
I don't. And I literally just stated facts about the numbers of the acquisition in response to the thread title. The Jez Core comment about MS declining is of course heresay until others can cooroberate it.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Square Enix and Capcom make sense for Sony because it means movies, anime, games.
It would fit the larger goal of Sony being content driven. It’s more than PlayStation, and they could do exactly the same as they did with Bungie.
It would fit the larger goal of Sony being content driven. It’s more than PlayStation, and they could do exactly the same as they did with Bungie.
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SuperSaiyanWithDreads
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Can’t blame Microsoft for gaining ips when for years all ppl did was clown them about that
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Not that much of a fan outside of Assassin's Creed, but yeah it definitley makes sense. You can't get much better than Ubisoft for a GaaS portfolio.
They should probably be more hands of if they do get them though. There's something wrong with the production pipeline over there. Too many delays
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Punished Miku
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MS has more money. They like Bungie.
We can safely assume they ultimately weren't interested in the price or Bungies conditions.
harry mason 1989
Banned
Sony will buy EA games imo
OverHeat
« generous god »
Imagine buying the same studio twice lol
Punished Miku
Member
Jim going to put a ring on Jade Raymond.
Sleepwalker
Member
Problem with buying Ubisoft is they don't want to be bought. They just fought out a hostile takeover tooth and nail to remain independent.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
So it can only get more damaging from here?
Hawking Radiation
Member
Precisely
You want GAAS? Ubi got GAAS.
Can't bank on AAA's story driven games all gen long.
Ubisoft has open world expertise and there's The Crew for an open world racer. Forza Horizon is hugely successful for Xbox and PS needs and alternative to Gran Turismo.
Rainbow Six,
Far Cry,
Watch Dogs,
The Division,
Ass Creed,
Riders Republic.
There's something for everyone.
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Interfectum
Member
Disney and Apple will both want in on the meta verse / gaming bullshit so no doubt they will be jumping in huge soon. I expect someone to make a play for Sony and Nintendo at some point.
supernova8
Banned
Usually we try to avoid duplicate threads (especially all in the same timeframe) - why aren't the mods locking threads to discourage it? It happened with the Bethesda and Activision acquisitions and it's happening again - just a wall of Bungie threads.
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HundredThousandTrillion
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Hilarious that this is marked “business” when a basic understanding of business is nowhere to be found.
M&A Due diligence takes months. The more thorough you are the longer it takes. And it’s not like you can throw 100000 lawyers at it and shorten the time. It doesn’t work like that. Not even for Sony.
It’s likely that Sony’s interest in buying Bungie started in the Spring or early summer of last year. Under iron clad ‘if you leak, we’ll sue you’ NDAs.
It’s hard to imagine what an M&A and the due dilligence process looks and feels like until you’ve experienced one from either side (spoiler: if your company was acquired and you didn’t know until announcement you likely weren’t carefully picked to be involved in due diligence). But even a pedantic understanding tells you that Sony didn’t whip out their Black Card or checkbook after learning about Microsoft’s news and blindly buy a company.
Cmon.
M&A Due diligence takes months. The more thorough you are the longer it takes. And it’s not like you can throw 100000 lawyers at it and shorten the time. It doesn’t work like that. Not even for Sony.
It’s likely that Sony’s interest in buying Bungie started in the Spring or early summer of last year. Under iron clad ‘if you leak, we’ll sue you’ NDAs.
It’s hard to imagine what an M&A and the due dilligence process looks and feels like until you’ve experienced one from either side (spoiler: if your company was acquired and you didn’t know until announcement you likely weren’t carefully picked to be involved in due diligence). But even a pedantic understanding tells you that Sony didn’t whip out their Black Card or checkbook after learning about Microsoft’s news and blindly buy a company.
Cmon.
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Thirty7ven
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Nintendo can’t be bought, the only way is for it to merge with another Japanese company.
Hawking Radiation
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Bro this is Neogaf
. Take that common sense elsewhere please
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
Not gonna lie if Sony buys Capcom or Namco I’ll be pissed at not only them, but Microsoft for starting this shit in the first place. I gain nothing from PS5 owners missing Elder Scrolls 6, but if I miss Devil May Cry 6 because it’s not on SeX that’ll piss me off.
Rurhanograthul02
Banned
Really Consoles Are 7 Years Behind, But I Was Being Kind!! Yes In Graphics Capability And Raw Compute Consoles Are Right Now 7 Years Behind Cutting Edge PC's!! It Really Benefits PC's That All Developers Are Being Forced To Up Their Game Graphically!! Eventually Dev's Will Again Begin Tailoring Games Like Quake, Duke Nukem, Wolfenstein, Doom, The Original BF1942 And Counter Strike Before That, EverQuest 2 And Far More PC Specific Showcases Which Blew PC Gamers Away And Left Most Console Gamers Wondering What The Fuss Was About!!
I'm Very Glad Consoles Are No Longer Far Over A Decade Behind Cutting Edge PC Tech!! Sure Most PC Gamers Are!!
Insane Metal
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Konami, Remedy, From.
Hawking Radiation
Member
MS has that fuck you money. They could buy Bungie x10 times over and it wouldn't even dent the wallet.
Kerotan
Member
Doesn't T2 make like 2 billion in profits a year so if sony were to drop 30BN they would see a return while also securing security for the future of their most lucrative devision.
As for Ubisoft who knows what they think of selling to Sony or MS.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Defensive move to try and cover Sony's FPS weaknesses, very much a result of the questionable reliability of future CoD games.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
More likely they realized that they'd have a choice between ABK and Bungie, because acquiring both would really make a case that they are trying to corner the market.
MS are also likely fine with Sony taking Bungie because it means that if they have it, one of their big-tech competitors can't snatch it up.
What I feel we're seeing is a kind of circling of the wagons by the present incumbents to ward off corporate raiding by Apple, Google, Amazon, Meta, etc. Basically the message is; if you want into the gaming market, build your own IP.
Rurhanograthul02
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If Microsoft Ends Up With The Battlefield Series Gamepass Is A Big Must Here!! BF/COD Crossover Incoming!
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Hawking Radiation
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Battlefield 2042 is bleeding players like a stuck pig and the developers hasn't made a good Battlefield game the community wanted since Bad Company 2.
If Battlefield 2042 went to GamePass they'd actually be losing subscriptions
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Vaelka
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I kinda feel like it has been done already, twice lol.
I mean are they gonna do a third reboot?
The reboot is already so typical to what these AAA games are I don't think it'd be any different and I get the impression people are a bit tired of the reboot.
Perhaps I am wrong tho but didn't the last one sell less I feel like it was kinda met with a '' meh ''?
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ResilientBanana
Member
Agreed.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Make sure Elon adds Ray Tracing. Those flat fucking graphics can use an upgrade.
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Vaelka
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How would it be a show of power lol?
Microsoft is astronomically larger than Sony and the Activison Blizzard aquisition dwarves Bungie.
Edit: I don't think this stuff happens on a whim either, I think they may have been planing on this for a while and been in talks but maybe escalated it?
Microsoft is astronomically larger than Sony and the Activison Blizzard aquisition dwarves Bungie.
Edit: I don't think this stuff happens on a whim either, I think they may have been planing on this for a while and been in talks but maybe escalated it?
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'd imagine if Sony were going to spend huge, it'd be on Kadokawa Corp. Because that would really fit well with their overall media strategy, and it'd get them FROM in the process. The Asian market is huge, and the sheer amount of IP relevant to that region under Kadokawa's control would make Sony quite the powerhouse.
HYDE
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Microsoft would undoubtedly back out at that point, since that’s all Activision is worth.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Important to note as well that both companies need to be putting their money somewhere
As it stands they're all sitting on cash that may as well be burning with inflation
As it stands they're all sitting on cash that may as well be burning with inflation
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Boss Mog
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...And that's Valve. Valve is valued at around $12B which should make it easily affordable to Sony. Buying Valve would instantly give Sony the lion's share of the PC market and let them compete on two platforms the way MS currently does. It would boost their VR capabilities as well and they would have a portable system in the form of Steamdeck. Sony have been pretty cozy with Valve lately, porting many of it's exclusives to PC and putting them on Steam rather than creating their own launcher/service with PlayStation branding. Rumors also suggest that Valve is porting Half-Life Alyx to the PSVR2 as a launch title. It would be good for Sony but also for gamers who could hope to get PlayStation exclusives day one on PC and potential sequels like Half-Life 3 and Portal 3 that Valve haven't been interested in making despite heavy demand.
Some might suggest Epic as an alternative but Epic is more than double the price ($28B), has less market-share with its PC store and there could potentially be opposition to deal from a legal standpoint seeing as Unreal Engine is widely used by devs across all platforms. And while Fortnite would be a huge get, I feel like Valve IPs will have better value in the long run, as Fornite's popularity is sure to fade when the next big thing comes around as today's youth are very fickle-minded.
I certainly would welcome it. I think all these acquisitions by both MS and Sony are a good thing because I don't believe they are doing this so much in a bid to compete with each other but rather to fend off Apple, Google, Meta and Amazon who are eager took take over gaming and have the cash to buy whoever they want in order to do so. I also feel like many studios and publishers would much rather be bought by MS or Sony than by those other huge corporations that don't have the pedigree in gaming that MS and Sony have.
Some might suggest Epic as an alternative but Epic is more than double the price ($28B), has less market-share with its PC store and there could potentially be opposition to deal from a legal standpoint seeing as Unreal Engine is widely used by devs across all platforms. And while Fortnite would be a huge get, I feel like Valve IPs will have better value in the long run, as Fornite's popularity is sure to fade when the next big thing comes around as today's youth are very fickle-minded.
I certainly would welcome it. I think all these acquisitions by both MS and Sony are a good thing because I don't believe they are doing this so much in a bid to compete with each other but rather to fend off Apple, Google, Meta and Amazon who are eager took take over gaming and have the cash to buy whoever they want in order to do so. I also feel like many studios and publishers would much rather be bought by MS or Sony than by those other huge corporations that don't have the pedigree in gaming that MS and Sony have.
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ResilientBanana
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Remember when we all used to argue about games?
DaGwaphics
Member
Seemed like this was going to happen... Next few months going to be pretty interesting around here
Every transaction of this size is getting reviewed. It isn't interesting in the least, not so far anyway.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I like how you change your avatar's emotions with every news.
That "relieved" face is priceless after the "stressed/cried" face few weeks ago.
