Mistake
Member
I'd say it's overreacting, because humanity is still here and this isn't flubola. That type of logic also harms the people it's supposed to protect
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TheFarter
Banned
The people who have had the shot seem to be scared to death of people who haven't. Not sure why. They've had the shot. They're good. Not too sure why they're so terrified.
Jaysen
Banned
True, I should get all my facts from idiots on Facebook and Twitter like all the obviously more intelligent people are doing.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
What's your threshold of harm/death that will make you not think it's an overreaction? What is flubola?
By what mechanism?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Scared to death is hyperbole.
The vaccine confers protection. It was very very good against the original strain of SARSCOV2. However, it is not as effective against the delta variant. Because the delta variant is more contagious, the compounding effects of the spread of the disease is that much worse. The more unvaccinated people there are, the more the virus can spread, and the more harmful it becomes to the overall population, vaccinated or not.
If the delta variant didn't exist, unvaccinated people are mostly only harming themselves. Now that the delta variant is here, unvaccinated people are not only harming themselves, but also others.
chromhound
Member
people are still believing that Covid will disappear? lol
funkygunther
Banned
you’re right, she should have called it an epidemic since ending the pandemic extends beyond her national purview
Mistake
Member
Flu+ebola. My threshold? Something similar to the spanish flu maybe, or worse. Bodies everywhere. This isn’t it. Old people got hit pretty hard, but that was kind of expected.
No jab no job ignores medical exemptions (edit: in the public eye.) People at risk are losing work now, myself included.
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ManaByte
Member
WTF does "protecting the vaccinated" mean. Sounds like an excuse for lockdown.
funkygunther
Banned
no idea what that means, sounds like an incentive
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Locally, currently it's gone beyond just the threat of overcapacity and covid. The unvaccinated are starting to get threatening. Protesting hospitals and schools is a big red flag. Creating noise, traffic problems, and jeering students and healthcare workers. These workers and students have nothing to do with setting the legislation that the unvaxxed got the problem with. Unvaxxed make up excuses to protest there. These are places that service a large vulnerable population they can use as a captive audience to harass and draw attention to themselves(the real victims).
Harassing and propagandize people's children at school when the parents are working is very concerning behavior.
funkygunther
Banned
talking about this?
Biden’s New Coronavirus Vaccine Mandates For Businesses: What We Know So Far
On September 9, 2021, President Biden announced his administration’s new approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic. One of the most significant aspects of this plan includes new coronavirus vaccine mandates. These are a significant step up from what President Biden announced back in July.
www.forbes.com
Mistake
Member
I’m self-employed. I mean to say that the “no jab no job” rhetoric extends to public thinking, which harms those at risk. Creating two kinds of citizens is just bad, no matter which way you do ittalking about this?
Biden’s New Coronavirus Vaccine Mandates For Businesses: What We Know So Far
On September 9, 2021, President Biden announced his administration’s new approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic. One of the most significant aspects of this plan includes new coronavirus vaccine mandates. These are a significant step up from what President Biden announced back in July.
SpiceRacz
Member
It mostly impacts unvaccinated people at this point. Your odds of getting covid, even Delta, if you're vaccinated are still extremely low.
funkygunther
Banned
you meant to say all this but instead you said it ignores medical exemptions, which it doesn’t
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BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
1. You're being hyperbolic, which I can actually sympathize with if one is receiving a bunch of misinformation and has fallen into the old "fake news" nonsense from circa 2016. Regardless, there are many thousands out there who are obviously either using animal-grade treatments or treating themselves without medical supervision and that's a huge issue. On one side is a perfectly safe vaccine, on the other are vaccine deniers doing their level best to fuck up their stomach linings and even blind themselves
2. It's not "random shit". It is reporting on well-sourced information double checked by editors and open to public examination from scientists. Why are you so ready to believe random people on social media? Because we can all tell you're getting your information from the same untrustworthy sources as the people sucking down horse paste or worse
It's two fold:
1. Being vaccinated doesn't offer 100% immunity so we're still concerned
2. The more the virus is allowed to replicate the more it mutates, which is obviously not good. And the unvaccinated continue to overwhelm healthcare systems with each spike. As a healthcare worker (IT) who ends up having to work 50+ hour weeks for a month during each spike because of the unvaccinated, and has to hear the heartbreaking stories from care providers, it most certainly matters a lot.
So yea. The unvaccinated are a major cause of concern. They're plague rats at this point, perpetuating something that will likely now become endemic, when they could have just gotten a mother fucking shot months ago, and if they had we'd all be cheerfully discussing other things and getting ready to see Spider-Man 3 carefree in a theater this December
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Mistake
Member
My bad, sorry
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
But then the changes affecting employees has no real bearing on you. It's not like the division between vaccinated and unvaccinated hasn't been a thing for a long time.
Mistake
Member
The division has been there, but for some odd reason it’s worse recently. I’ve lost a couple clients over it. Many also assume you’re on one side or the other, when I’m not on either
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
There are many similarities between this pandemic and the Spanish Flu. I just made a post that includes data from that period.
Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]
Whenever people try to argue we shouldn’t be packing in stadiums, that ignores the question, what if it’s endemic? We obviously have to get back to normal at some point. Not to mention outdoor spread is rarer, and when you count 70% of people had at least one jab, and I’m sure a decent chunk of...
The number of deaths in England and Wales in 2020 was the highest since the year of the Spanish Flu.
According to history, the Spanish Flu killed 675,000 people in the USA.
1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.
Currently, the death toll from COVID19 in the USA stands at 660,000 people, with about 1,500 people in the USA dying every day.
Of course, the numbers now would probably be higher just because there's more people now than in 1918, but the magnitude of death is nearly the same.
We don't necessarily have "bodies everywhere" because our death care and morgues are a lot better than 100 years ago, but they have and are still experiencing a strain.
Temporary morgues set up as UK hospitals run out of space
British authorities have had to set up a temporary morgues in some areas after local hospital mortuaries ran out of space due to a surge in deaths caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.
San Diego Hospitals Running out of Morgue Space
Medical-center officials say they’re moving bodies to funeral homes and to the county medical examiner’s storage facility.
www.nbcsandiego.com
COVID-19 deaths straining some Florida hospital morgues
MIAMI (AP) — Mounting deaths from the latest surge in COVID-19 have strained capacity at hospital morgues and funeral homes across central Florida.
apnews.com
India doesn't have the standard of healthcare that we do, so they resorted to burning bodies outside because they were so overloaded.
India Covid: Delhi running out of space for cremations
Police in India's capital ask for more cremation sites as a deadly second wave sweeps the country.
www.bbc.com
That's not accurate. There are exemptions for people with medical issues.
Sweeping new vaccine mandates for 100 million Americans
President Joe Biden has announced sweeping new federal vaccine requirements affecting as many as 100 million Americans in an all-out effort to curb the surging COVID-19 delta variant.
apnews.com
TLDR: I showed you how this pandemic is similar to the Spanish Flu, so does that make you accept your threshold? I also showed you that there are medical exemptions. Do you accept that?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It mostly impacts the unvaccinated people, but the impact on vaccinated people is still significant, and that is due in part due to the high number of unvaccinated people.
The odds of getting delta COVID while vaccinated are still low, but not low enough. It's still high enough to cause major problems.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
There are many similarities between this pandemic and the Spanish Flu. I just made a post that includes data from that period.
Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]
Whenever people try to argue we shouldn’t be packing in stadiums, that ignores the question, what if it’s endemic? We obviously have to get back to normal at some point. Not to mention outdoor spread is rarer, and when you count 70% of people had at least one jab, and I’m sure a decent chunk of...www.neogaf.com
The number of deaths in England and Wales in 2020 was the highest since the year of the Spanish Flu.
According to history, the Spanish Flu killed 675,000 people in the USA.
1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.www.cdc.gov
Currently, the death toll from COVID19 in the USA stands at 660,000 people, with about 1,500 people in the USA dying every day.
Of course, the numbers now would probably be higher just because there's more people now than in 1918, but the magnitude of death is nearly the same.
We don't necessarily have "bodies everywhere" because our death care and morgues are a lot better than 100 years ago, but they have and are still experiencing a strain.
Temporary morgues set up as UK hospitals run out of space
British authorities have had to set up a temporary morgues in some areas after local hospital mortuaries ran out of space due to a surge in deaths caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.www.reuters.com
San Diego Hospitals Running out of Morgue Space
Medical-center officials say they’re moving bodies to funeral homes and to the county medical examiner’s storage facility.
COVID-19 deaths straining some Florida hospital morgues
MIAMI (AP) — Mounting deaths from the latest surge in COVID-19 have strained capacity at hospital morgues and funeral homes across central Florida.
India doesn't have the standard of healthcare that we do, so they resorted to burning bodies outside because they were so overloaded.
India Covid: Delhi running out of space for cremations
Police in India's capital ask for more cremation sites as a deadly second wave sweeps the country.
That's not accurate. There are exemptions for people with medical issues.
Sweeping new vaccine mandates for 100 million Americans
President Joe Biden has announced sweeping new federal vaccine requirements affecting as many as 100 million Americans in an all-out effort to curb the surging COVID-19 delta variant.
TLDR: I showed you how this pandemic is similar to the Spanish Flu, so does that make you accept your threshold? I also showed you that there are medical exemptions. Do you accept that?
You're right, but just a reminder to anyone else reading that when this started and during the second wave places like NYC were having to build improvised containment units for the dead out of delivery trucks. The dead were literally flooding the streets and parking lots outside of hospitals. It was very much like the scenes from the movie Contagion. And this is in the USA, richest nation in the earth. They were dropping dead in the streets elsewhere.
And if a new variant arises that is just as infectious as the delta but exhibits various escape traits - immune escape, therapeutic escape (I.E. Regeneron stops working on it), even diagnostic escape (not as easy to diagnose or rapid tests stop working on it) we can be back at square one.
Mistake
Member
There are many similarities between this pandemic and the Spanish Flu. I just made a post that includes data from that period.
Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]
Whenever people try to argue we shouldn’t be packing in stadiums, that ignores the question, what if it’s endemic? We obviously have to get back to normal at some point. Not to mention outdoor spread is rarer, and when you count 70% of people had at least one jab, and I’m sure a decent chunk of...
The number of deaths in England and Wales in 2020 was the highest since the year of the Spanish Flu.
According to history, the Spanish Flu killed 675,000 people in the USA.
1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.
Currently, the death toll from COVID19 in the USA stands at 660,000 people, with about 1,500 people in the USA dying every day.
Of course, the numbers now would probably be higher just because there's more people now than in 1918, but the magnitude of death is nearly the same.
We don't necessarily have "bodies everywhere" because our death care and morgues are a lot better than 100 years ago, but they have and are still experiencing a strain.
Temporary morgues set up as UK hospitals run out of space
British authorities have had to set up a temporary morgues in some areas after local hospital mortuaries ran out of space due to a surge in deaths caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.
San Diego Hospitals Running out of Morgue Space
Medical-center officials say they’re moving bodies to funeral homes and to the county medical examiner’s storage facility.
COVID-19 deaths straining some Florida hospital morgues
MIAMI (AP) — Mounting deaths from the latest surge in COVID-19 have strained capacity at hospital morgues and funeral homes across central Florida.
India doesn't have the standard of healthcare that we do, so they resorted to burning bodies outside because they were so overloaded.
India Covid: Delhi running out of space for cremations
Police in India's capital ask for more cremation sites as a deadly second wave sweeps the country.
That's not accurate. There are exemptions for people with medical issues.
Sweeping new vaccine mandates for 100 million Americans
President Joe Biden has announced sweeping new federal vaccine requirements affecting as many as 100 million Americans in an all-out effort to curb the surging COVID-19 delta variant.
TLDR: I showed you how this pandemic is similar to the Spanish Flu, so does that make you accept your threshold? I also showed you that there are medical exemptions. Do you accept that?
Oh I already admitted I misspoke on the exemption thing. The magnitude of death between then and now tells me the spanish flu was far worse, considering population sizes
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The per capita number of dead in 1918 was worse, yes, but is that really a good foundation to base your objections on? We also had 100 less years of medical technology back then. You mentioned "bodies in the streets", and as
BadBurger
pointed out just now there were actual bodies in the streets in some parts of the country. The overcapacity of our morgues and hospitals is well documented at this point. COVID 19 was the third leading cause of death in 2020. It's pretty bad.
Hari Seldon
Member
Is COVID the biggest example of The Boy who Cried Wolf ever? Decades of lying click-bait media, lying with no consequence politicians, algorithmically outrage inducing social media, Snowden, Iraq War, "Masks are not needed oh wait nevermind we were just tricking you into not buying them initially", only 2 weeks of lockdown...
"WHY DOES NO ONE BELIEVE THE EXPERTS ON THE TV????"
If the elitest fuck faces stopped treating the public as plebian pawns that need to be tricked with miss-information to achieve their desired outcome, maybe people would have faith in the institutions.
And regarding institutions, the fact that most people don't even have a regular doctor that they see every year probably is a MAJOR contributing factor in all of this. Yeah maybe you don't trust some weasel like Fauci but most people would trust their doctor they have been seeing for 20 years... if they had one.
"WHY DOES NO ONE BELIEVE THE EXPERTS ON THE TV????"
If the elitest fuck faces stopped treating the public as plebian pawns that need to be tricked with miss-information to achieve their desired outcome, maybe people would have faith in the institutions.
And regarding institutions, the fact that most people don't even have a regular doctor that they see every year probably is a MAJOR contributing factor in all of this. Yeah maybe you don't trust some weasel like Fauci but most people would trust their doctor they have been seeing for 20 years... if they had one.
Jaysen
Banned
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I get what you're saying, but after the first SARS pandemic the Obama admin and many nations across the world set up some proactive measures and agencies. So we didn't ignore it or treat it like a paper tiger. Later governments just either dismantled those safeguards or decided not to take them seriously. So here are.
So not a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. Because that boy cried wolf rightfully the first time around and we took notice. Dumb assholes just came along afterwards and undid everything.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
This is sad 
nypost.com
Alabama man dies after 43 ICUs full of COVID patients turned him away
When Ray Martin DeMonia had suffered a heart attack, local emergency staff started reaching out to hospitals in search of a cardiac ICU bed for him.
nypost.com
Hari Seldon
Member
The boy in my scenario is the government and media. I don't think they are lying about the need for vaccines, but they have lied so hard for so long that I find no fault with people who do not believe them. Twitter certainly doesn't help with this. The craziness on there only allows for extreme opinions only. There is no room for nuanced takes that build credibility. It is "jam a vaccine in your arm or you are a nazi". Maybe you need to build some trust with people and not just dictate shit like you are playing a fucking video game?
HawksWinStanley
Member
Once again we're seeing everyone who adopted the "my body, my choice" in regard to the vaccine still doesn't quite get how quickly it becomes "my choice, your consequence" when you're dealing with an infectious disease instead of a fetus.This is sad
Alabama man dies after 43 ICUs full of COVID patients turned him away
When Ray Martin DeMonia had suffered a heart attack, local emergency staff started reaching out to hospitals in search of a cardiac ICU bed for him.
Twitter isn't run by the government though. It exists in its current form precisely because the "attention economy" is unregulated and so tech companies are largely free to do what they want to keep individuals glued to their screens clicking on ads.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I don't buy that story. There's no way in hell someone was turned away from 43 hospitals or even attempted to go to 43 hospitals.This is sad
Alabama man dies after 43 ICUs full of COVID patients turned him away
When Ray Martin DeMonia had suffered a heart attack, local emergency staff started reaching out to hospitals in search of a cardiac ICU bed for him.
Don't be surprised if this ends up being fake news.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
I hope not
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
It wouldn't surprise me if it's fake. It also wouldn't surprise me if it's true though. Hospitals are fucking slammed.
funkygunther
Banned
He was in a place called CRMC (Cullman Regional Medical Centre) and it was their staff apparently calling up local hospitals to find an ICU for him, so it wasn't that he was being driven around to 43 hospitals. The nearest hospital they eventually found was 200 miles away and that's the one he died at.
43 sounds outlandish for sure but there'd be more splainin' to do if any part or all parts of this were lies.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
a lot of the problems and confusion revolving COVID stem from the fact we are in uncharted territory. It was entirely possible at any point that the virus could have faded away, much like it's predecessor. in fact, the likelihood was high enough that Trump bet everything on it, despite warnings from more cautious epidemiologist, and it likely cost him....everything
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I forget where I read it, but what I read recently was in most cases whenever it's reported that "hospital ICUs are filled to capacity" it's usually very small hospitals with very few beds. Not large major city hospitals.
Also apparently while numbers have spiked lately, I read they've been declining. Slowly, but seems to be going down again hopefully.
Also apparently while numbers have spiked lately, I read they've been declining. Slowly, but seems to be going down again hopefully.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
it's possible he was stuck in hospital in butt fuck nowhere and a social worker tried to get him transferred and was rejected by all for one reason or another, ie some were full, some didn't think his condition warranted an ICU bed, didnt have insurance, etc
when hospitals are overwhelmed it's not a good time for anybody, it's why we got to look out for each other right now
funkygunther
Banned
Better add "not near a large major city hospital" to the list of co-morbidities
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I agree, but there are also people who believe that freedom has its costs and sometimes that cost is human life.
And I agree with that as well. Which is why I think you need to take every situation on a case by case basis and weigh the pros, cons, data, odds, and make the most logical decision on what is best to do. But people who are driven by ideologies don't do that.
I think in this case most basic things like vaccinations and masks are small sacrifices to make with benefits that far outweigh those sacrifices. But crazy lockdowns in some places like Australia, I don't believe that's a small sacrifice. But some people are against any and all sacrifices, which isn't being logical. It's just being stubborn.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The obituary says he's from Cullman. According to the hospital utiilzation app, there's only 3 hospitals in a 30 mile radius.
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The main one is at -73% capacity.
Israeli anti-vaxx leader dies of COVID-19
Hai Shaulian died from the effects of coronavirus on Monday, claiming he had been poisoned by police.
www.jpost.com
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Jaysen
Banned
Ironic then that most of those hypocritical dumbshits call themselves pro-life.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Huh… where are the Washington post, cbs, nbc, NPR, and all the rest‘s freak out articles about how She’s a danger to the public.
Thats right, she’s not a bald male fighting commentator, so they don’t care.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Give it some time. The tweet isn't even a day old yet.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
They won't, and if they do the headlines will be favorable. There will be no "she's a danger" headlines, I can guarantee it.
In 48 hours, she'll issue an apology and say a top health expert reached out to her to educate her and that'll be the end of it.