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So when will Sony release a portable PS4?

Would a portable PS4 with an SSD be enough?

  • Yes, just want to complete my backlog.

    Votes: 16 30.8%
  • No, needs to be as powerful as Steam Deck.

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • No, would just drag down PS5.

    Votes: 24 46.2%
  • No, I need backcompat with PSP & PSVita

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Total voters
    52


PS4 Pro with a dash of that PS5 SSD tech. But any SSD would do. Sony would only have to do the minimal support for the system. Since it would play every PS4 game. I feel this is the only way im gonna play Death Stranding and the Dragon Quest.
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Direct wifi 6 to stream ps5 anywhere from your house. USB-C vr2 connection to play PS4 VR games. Full dualsense features. Beautiful mini-led 1080p screen would have been nice too.
 
I'd love for them to invest in that instead of remote play. Game streaming is trash.. Allow PS1, 2, and 3 games on it. But it won't happen.

And yes, I know there are emulators available.
 

Zannegan

Member
This may be obvious, but I don't think it's doable with actual PS4 hardware just shrunk down, but a mobile equivalent that could run all of the games would be pretty cool.

Still, I don't think releasing a last gen only handheld makes a lot of sense right now. Sure, it would be awesome to have all of your digital purchases on the go, but then, it would never get new games. If you could release something that was close enough to the PS5 to get downports without too much effort (say a Sony Series S equivalent) and get all of those previous gen digital titles too... well, that would be well worth a buy.
 
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kyliethicc

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PS4 Pro with a dash of that PS5 SSD tech. But any SSD would do. Sony would only have to do the minimal support for the system. Since it would play every PS4 game. I feel this is the only way im gonna play Death Stranding and the Dragon Quest.
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Direct wifi 6 to stream ps5 anywhere from your house. USB-C vr2 connection to play PS4 VR games. Full dualsense features. Beautiful mini-led 1080p screen would have been nice too.

Never gonna happen.
 

Agent X

Member
I'd be in favor of this!

I'd prefer Sony to just focus on making one platform the best it can be, rather than just copying Nintendo and Valve.

Nintendo's strategy with the Switch appeared to be exactly this. Instead of producing a TV-based console and a portable system, each with separate software libraries, they focused everything into a single platform with a single software library.

This may be obvious, but I don't think it's doable with actual PS4 hardware just shrunk down, but a mobile equivalent that could run all of the games would be pretty cool.

Still, I don't think releasing a last gen only handheld makes a lot of sense right now. Sure, it would be awesome to have all of your digital purchases on the go, but then, it would never get new games. If you could release something that was close enough to the PS5 to get downports without too much effort (say a Sony Series S equivalent) and get all of those previous gen digital titles too... well, that would be well worth a buy.

I believe the reason why a portable PS4 is being proposed, is that a portable PS5 would probably be prohibitively expensive. Otherwise, Sony would've released such a system last year, instead of the PS5 as it exists now.

Also, a portable PS4 would make the most sense now, since (despite what you said above) the system is still getting new games. Most games are being developed for both PS4 and PS5, and it looks like this trend will continue for at least 2 or 3 more years. Some independent developers will probably still be cranking out PS4 downloadable games for even a few more years beyond that.
 

skit_data

Member
They should wait just a little longer IMO. I don’t think we’re quite there yet in terms of power draw etc.

A portable PS4 is a good idea, If they can get the price down to sub $399 it would be a great little handheld with one of the best libraries out there.
 
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Kumomeme

Member
considering Sony aimed to support ps4 around 2-3 years, it would fit nicely and after that, they can start making exclusives portable game without need to bother with next gen PS5 game development.
 

AmuroChan

Member
I think that ship has sailed. PS Now on your phone or iPad w/ a DS controller is probably your only option moving forward.
 

yurinka

Member
Steam Deck is above PS4 in terms of horsepower, has an architecture somewhat similar to PS5. I'd wait a couple of years and would release a PS5 portable instead, with BC with in addition to PS5, PS4 and PS2 games, with PSP and Vita games.

The key points are:
  1. Achieve decent pricing for mainstream (maximum 399)
  2. Allow to run there modern games released in the home console with zero required extra programming or exclusive games (which means avoid making it a PS4 portable if PS4 will stop getting games in a couple of years)
I know it's Sony, but I'd allow to install other operative systems there, like SteamOS or Windows. It would destroy Switch, Steam Deck and would make PS5 market grow while helping Sony to grow in the PC market.
 
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I believe the reason why a portable PS4 is being proposed, is that a portable PS5 would probably be prohibitively expensive. Otherwise, Sony would've released such a system last year, instead of the PS5 as it exists now.
They may want to create a hybrid that has similar specs as the steam portable, it could run ps4 games with ps5 enhancements (not full ps5 versions, but this that the ps5 run in BC mode that offer ps5 only 60fps modes by example).

Otherwise a portable ps4 would be great!
 

Marty-McFly

Banned
It wouldn't have any real potential to sell beyond the small userbase that wants to replay PS4 games in portable mode unless Sony and other developers wanted to go back to making games on portable PS4 hardware, which I don't see happening going forward, save for maybe indies.

With Switch you need to understand that Nintendo first party has completely carried it and these games tend to be much more popular in this form factor than AAA third party blockbuster TV games. Different audiences.
 
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Library would have GOW2, Horizon 2, Spiderman: Morales, Sackboy, Kena, GT, and any other upcoming PS4/PS5 game.


It wouldn't have any real potential to sell beyond the small userbase that wants to replay PS4 games in portable mode unless Sony and other developers wanted to go back to making games on portable PS4 hardware, which I don't see happening going forward, save for maybe indies.
Some people are overthinking this. Its just another PS4 model. There is zero risk. They already said they will continue to support PS4. All the major companies arent leaving the PS4 platform anytime soon.
 
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Marty-McFly

Banned
Library would have GOW2, Horizon 2, and would launch with PS4go exclusive Knack 3.

Some people are overthinking this. Its just another PS4 model.
I'm not a tech guy myself but I've heard due to PS4's architecture shrinking it down to a portable would be both very costly for the consumer and a logistics nightmare from an engineering standpoint. I don't think it would be worth Sony's time and R&D for the amount they would sell.

The Steamdeck makes more sense because it wouldn't be walled off in the past.
 
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kyliethicc

Member
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Issues with a PS4 Portable

1 - cost is too high.
It would have to be $400 or less given price of PS5.
That's very difficult to hit given the specs, since they won't sell a PS4 for a loss almost 10 years after it launched.

2 - chip and compatibility.
18 CUs + 8 cores into a portable chip seems unlikely. Steam Deck is only 4 cores and 8 CUs. Much smaller die.

3 - RAM bandwidth.
Its basically impossible to get the necessary 176 GB/s bw into a handheld (Steam Deck is only 88 GB/s.)
PS4 uses a 256 bit bus. Steam Deck, Switch (even Series S) all use 128 bit bus to lower cost of chip.

4 - insufficient screen size/quality.
Not many people would want to play GoW, Ghost, Uncharted, etc... on a 7" 720p display. They're built for large TVs.

5 - bad battery life.
Good luck getting even 2-3 hours of play out of it unless its fucking huge and 99% battery.

6 - low demand.
People can already buy PS4s. Easily, for cheap (used). Market for a PS4 portable is small. Not a huge seller.

7 - digital only.
This further lowers demand since many users have Blu-rays not digital games, unlike how every Steam user's library is digital.

8 - storage issues.
Can't fit a HDD into a portable. SSD's are too small / expensive for large capacity. Any option would cost too much or be too small.

9 - controls.
PS4 games being played from built-in controls on a handheld would be awkward at best. Would need to pair a DS4.

10 - future.
Launching a new PS4 (in 2022? 23?) would require Sony to keep making PS4 games until at least 2027-28. Won't happen.
 
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Whitecrow

Banned
List of issues
I disagree on pretty much every point.

We dont really know about demand. It could be high but since everyone assumed long time ago that Sony was not going to make another handheld, no one really tested the waters.

Also, what would be wrong on playing ps4/5 games at 720 if it's portable? I think lot of people wouldnt mind.

Also, playing at 720 reduces the bandwith needed (I think?) so the thermals issue my not be that critical.

I'm no analyst but I really think Sony (and MS) could come up with really interesting handhelds if they ever wanted to. I'm sure there's market for it.
 

kyliethicc

Member
I disagree on pretty much every point.

We dont really know about demand. It could be high but since everyone assumed long time ago that Sony was not going to make another handheld, no one really tested the waters.

Also, what would be wrong on playing ps4/5 games at 720 if it's portable? I think lot of people wouldnt mind.
Sony games aren't Nintendo games. They thrive on presentation and fidelity. 720p SDR isn't that.

Also, playing at 720 reduces the bandwith needed (I think?) so the thermals issue my not be that critical.
Not for console games coded for the exact fixed PS4 spec. They'd have to patch every game.

PC games are built for various specs. Switch games were always coded with its low bandwidth in mind. Not PS4 games.

And the thermal issues are entirely separate and have nothing to do with bandwidth.
 
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damiank

Member
Zen 2 clock-to-clock is at least two times faster than jaguar. 4 cores, 8 threads and clock at 1.6GHz or slightly higher woud be enough. Also RDNA2-based GPU can be cut in half compared to PS4 and still be fast enough to offer similar or higher performance. GTX 1650 Super has 128 bit alongside GDDR6 memory and offers 196 GB per second. Ever heard of M.2 SSDs? There are even SATA-compatible ones, slightly cheaper than NVME. They could use 500GB one and alongside same compression chip as in PS5 this would be enough. Also for that mobile PS4 they could release optional dock that would have another M.2 or SATA port to extend space, and Blu-ray drive for PS4 games.
 

kyliethicc

Member
Zen 2 clock-to-clock is at least two times faster than jaguar. 4 cores, 8 threads and clock at 1.6GHz or slightly higher woud be enough. Also RDNA2-based GPU can be cut in half compared to PS4 and still be fast enough to offer similar or higher performance. GTX 1650 Super has 128 bit alongside GDDR6 memory and offers 196 GB per second. Ever heard of M.2 SSDs? There are even SATA-compatible ones, slightly cheaper than NVME. They could use 500GB one and alongside same compression chip as in PS5 this would be enough. Also for that mobile PS4 they could release optional dock that would have another M.2 or SATA port to extend space, and Blu-ray drive for PS4 games.
For $400 (max) in a device around the size of Switch? lol
 

Whitecrow

Banned
And the thermal issues are entirely separate and have nothing to do with bandwidth.
Yeah I mixed that, I just wanted to say that with lower resolution (and more optimizations), there would be less spec requirements and then thermals woudlnt be a problem.
 

damiank

Member
For $400 (max) in a device around the size of Switch? lol
Why not? Xbox Series S is 299$ and has fast NVMe storage in smallest M.2 form factor. Not to mention that this hypothetical APU would have smaller power consumption than one in Steam Deck cause of lower clocks.
 
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kyliethicc

Member
Why not? Xbox Series S is 299$ and has fast NVMe storage in smallest M.2 form factor. Not to mention that this hypothetical APU would have smaller power consumption than one in Steam Deck cause of lower clocks.
The Series S is 2700 cubic centimeters... and does not have a display ... and is sold for a loss... and has no battery lol.

The Switch is 247 cubic centimeters. That's just 9% of the volume of Series S.

The Series S is over 10 times larger in volume than the Switch.

Also, a PS4 Portable would have over 2x the shaders and 2x the core count of the Steam Deck. That wouldn't help much with heat, despite the lower clocks.
 
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The main issue with this idea is the games library, if it was a portable PS4 then it already has a massive library with loads of quality games so it would primarily be a way for people to take the library they already own out with them. Of course, that doesn't mean that nobody would buy any new games for it but as there was such a big pre-made library they couldn't rely on standard practice of making money through software.
The other option would be to not allow people to play their already owned games on the system and forcing them to buy them again which is just as flawed as the first option.
Although I can see the attraction of having a portable library as good and as large as the PS4's library, in terms of finances it just makes no sense.
 

Ozzie666

Member
So it's basically a legacy system with hardly any new games? They need a plan to allow easy PC ports, or down grade Ps5 games. Without a future, it's just a past to play.
 

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
I played with my Vita again last week after a long time, and i was amazed how beatiful the screen was and how responsive the OS still is. Yes they removed some features but those are social related stuff. This thing is amazing for a lot of indie titles.

A new PlayStation portable device based on RDNA2 tech will be amazing that's for sure. If Sony gets it right, this could seriously catch on just like the PSP. The question is, are they ever going to do this.
 
Given the wafer shortages at the moment, probably not the best time to be taping out brand new silicon - even if the concept is a good one.
 

kingfey

Banned
As long as Jim is there, never.

They shat on vita, and let switch run around selling 85m.

Only way they could, is if Xbox does it.

They went to pc market, after xbox was having success there.

Unless a fun guy, or a gamer runs SIE gaming division, they won't bother with fun stuff. They are behaving like a corporate business recently.
 

Shmunter

Member
Imagine what would happen to cross gen if a new PS4 sku came into being. PS5 may as well be a PS4 pro+.

Do not want. Release a wii u type of thing for steaming from the PS5. Wifi6 built in should in theory make this a quality experience.
 

martino

Member
so people want poor support on one of the 2 hardware or mediocre on the 2 or games made for both hardware.
Why would you want that ?
 
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Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
Library would have GOW2, Horizon 2, Spiderman: Morales, Sackboy, Kena, GT, and any other upcoming PS4/PS5 game.



Some people are overthinking this. Its just another PS4 model. There is zero risk. They already said they will continue to support PS4. All the major companies arent leaving the PS4 platform anytime soon.

Lol. Sure. Just like they did with the PS1. And PS2. And PS3. And every other console known to mankind.

They are leaving it, they will stop supporting it. There is zero financial reason for them to continue to produce games and hardware for last gen things. Every company always says they will "continue to support" the previous platform, and within a year to two they abandon it.
 
What is up to Sony fans? They are always looking forward to copy something from another competitor. I though everything Sony does was already the best in class.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
Fantastic concept art in the OP, 11/10, wouldn't loveif the Deck looked exactly like they instead. But as for Sony's handheld, seeing their output schedule on PS4/5, I cannot fight the feeling a handheld would starve from lack of dedicated games even more so than the Vita. Keep the resources solely for PS5, no one will complain about it.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
A PSP3 that would play downgraded PS4/PS5 games would be awesome.

People keep saying it would need exclusives but why, Switch is playing games that were mostly on the Wii U and ports like Witcher 3.
Steam deck is playing downgraded PC games. They are console/PC games. They days of 3DS, Gameboy and PSP games are kind of over

Xbox and Playstation portables would be fine just doing downgraded games of there entire library

Being able to play Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7, Final Fnatasy 16 and Spider man 2 on the Go woud be amazing and no different than Nintendo having Mario Oddessy, BOTW, Mario Kart etc.
 
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