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[NickFire]

The fact that most PS owners didn't want crossplay tells you a lot more than the vocal minority on twitter that doesn't even play on PlayStation says to you.

That is not even close to a fact. While I cannot speak for most PS owners, I am very confident that most would prefer the option than never play with friends who have an Xbox only.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Do you really believes the crossplaygate was created by people that just wants to play with their friends?
C'mon... it was never about that.

The crossplaygate started as a form to talk about how Evil Sony is.

The fact that most PS owners didn't want crossplay tells you a lot more than the vocal minority on twitter that doesn't even play on PlayStation says to you.

I own a PS and I wanted Crossplay, my friends felt the same. The logic being, more people to play with more games to play. Not rocket surgery. You can't say MOST by pointing to a few hardcore members like yourself or others on GAF and keep your head in the sand and say MOST. It's anecdotal.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Do you really believes the crossplaygate was created by people that just wants to play with their friends?
C'mon... it was never about that.

The crossplaygate started as a form to talk about how Evil Sony is.

The fact that most PS owners didn't want crossplay tells you a lot more than the vocal minority on twitter that doesn't even play on PlayStation says to you.

Crossplay was never a most wanted feature... even in the old PS.Blog wishlist feature it was not a thing at all.
There are tons of things that PS players wants over crossplay.

I'm 100% against crossplay, would rather even pay more for a PS Plus version with no crossplay.

 

[ethomaz]

That is not even close to a fact. While I cannot speak for most PS owners, I am very confident that most would prefer the option than never play with friends who have an Xbox only.

Show me any whishlist feature for PS4 where Crossplay was thing.
Sony has a site for that and Crossplay was not even in the TOP100 requested features.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm 100% against crossplay, would rather even pay more for a PS Plus version with no crossplay.

I submitted a ticker for Sony for a system option to fully disable crossplay with no response.
Because I know PS consumers lost that battle to the social vocal non-PS consumers so I wanted to be sure to PS consumers not have their gaming experience harmed by suck decisions.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Show me any whishlist feature for PS4 where Crossplay was thing.
Sony has a site for that and Crossplay was not even in the TOP100 requested features.

It only helps the platforms that barely have any players on to have more saturated servers/MP modes with crossplay. PS doesn't have that problem, but other platforms usually have this major issue and you end up waiting for ages for matchmaking. So crossplay helps others, not PS fanbase.

 

[NickFire]

Show me any whishlist feature for PS4 where Crossplay was thing.
Sony has a site for that and Crossplay was not even in the TOP100 requested features.

You cannot determine what most PS owners want / don't want, as a fact, from a site where people can tell Sony what they want. Frankly, I don't even think that would be compelling anecdotal evidence of anything when you are talking about 80-100 million console owners.

 

[ethomaz]

I own a PS and I wanted Crossplay, my friends felt the same. The logic being, more people to play with more games to play. Not rocket surgery. You can't say MOST by pointing to a few hardcore members like yourself or others on GAF and keep your head in the sand and say MOST. It's anecdotal.

C'mon there are research lists.

 

[ethomaz]

You cannot determine what most PS owners want / don't want, as a fact, from a site where people can tell Sony what they want. Frankly, I don't even think that would be compelling anecdotal evidence of anything when you are talking about 80-100 million console owners.

A site made to actual PS consumers says want they want can't be evidence?

Sure lol

 

[93xfan]

I, and the vast majority of gamers, don't buy new hardware to play old games. If you give them the whole library from PS1 to PS4 I won't touch them at this point. PS4 BC was only good for 1st 6 months/first year of transition, nothing more.

I sure there’s some, otherwise why go through all the trouble of putting trophies in PS2 games?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Not rocket surgery.

 

[ethomaz]

I sure there’s some, otherwise why go through all the trouble of putting trophies in PS2 games?

It was a experience and failed.
That is why they give up.

 

[DaGwaphics]

It only helps the platforms that barely have any players on to have more saturated servers/MP modes with crossplay. PS doesn't have that problem, but other platforms usually have this major issue and you end up waiting for ages for matchmaking. So crossplay helps others, not PS fanbase.

But what does it take from you, as a player, that's the thing. It's a really odd feature to hate on tbh.

Regardless of the size of the platforms, there will always be those games that you love but the majority don't and crossplay should allow those titles to remain viable a bit longer.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Would you call 7.5 billion dollars an absurd amount of money? Just wondering.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

But what does it take from you, as a player, that's the thing. It's a really odd feature to hate on tbh.

Regardless of the size of the platforms, there will always be those games that you love but the majority don't and crossplay should allow those titles to remain viable a bit longer.

PS has full control on their users. If you get any mofos from xbox saying shit and so it's a drag to get that user banned. Also I'm more of against PC crossplay than xbox/switch crossplay because those are still closed systems and competition is fair with no cheats and bots.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

But what does it take from you, as a player, that's the thing. It's a really odd feature to hate on tbh.

Playstation gamers are quality gamers, the rest are peasants who aren't allowed to be in glorious PS players' presence.

 

[NickFire]

A site made to actual PS consumers says want they want can't be evidence?

Sure lol

Don't misquote please. I never said it is not evidence. I said I don't consider it "compelling anecdotal evidence." There is a huge difference between no evidence and not finding it compelling.

Also, the doubling down on most PS players not wanting cross play is bordering on absurd. I honestly think every kid I know plays something cross-play with their friends. That does not make it a fact that most players want it of course, but it is far better evidence than what the most passionate people expressed on a Sony website. Next thing you'll probably tell me is that the low enthusiasm for Fortnite on message boards is representative of a lack of interest by the casual market.

 

[DaGwaphics]

You cannot determine what most PS owners want / don't want, as a fact, from a site where people can tell Sony what they want. Frankly, I don't even think that would be compelling anecdotal evidence of anything when you are talking about 80-100 million console owners.

Truth. Just like members on this forum, the type of user that needs to formally request features from a console maker is not your run-of-the-mill console owner. I'd venture to say the majority of PS4 owners don't even know how/where to post these requests.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The irony:







The very same vocal goons screaming for Sony to follow suit.

 

[ethomaz]

Imagine in this reality when you look for Crossplay on Playstation... and the most popular one had like 10k signs and it was related to Fortnite crossplay only but due the vocal non-PlayStation SJW the thing is implemented.

While that Day's Gone 2 has over 80k signs and not signal to happen ever.

Console gaming is really killing itself.

 

[DaGwaphics]

PS has full control on their users. If you get any mofos from xbox saying shit and so it's a drag to get that user banned. Also I'm more of against PC crossplay than xbox/switch crossplay because those are still closed systems and competition is fair with no cheats and bots.

The point about the bots/cheating on PC is fair, I'll give you that. Although devs are getting better at handling that all the time. I like it when you have the option to not include PC players, just to avoid competing with K&M players.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The point about the bots/cheating on PC is fair, I'll give you that. Although devs are getting better at handling that all the time. I like it when you have the option to not include PC players, just to avoid competing with K&M players.

Yeah some games seem to not have that feature. If you have that feature then it's 100% fine. Console to console is ok, but PC? Not really.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Maybe MW crossplay sucks, but Cold War works fine with me. I have crossplay on and doing great with the standard Xbox game pad and whatever SBMM the game sets after every match.

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah some games seem to not have that feature. If you have that feature then it's 100% fine.

The issue goes even in the shame level.

- PlayStation doesn't have a system wide option to disable cross-play.
- Most games doesn't allow to disable cross-play.
- From these some games only allow you to disable cross-play in that session (when you restart you have cross-play back).
- From these some games only allow to disable PC cross-play.

At the end you reach a point that most games shameless force you into Crossplay.

 

[ethomaz]

Maybe MW crossplay sucks, but Cold War works fine with me. I have crossplay on and doing great with the standard Xbox game pad and whatever SBMM the game sets after every match.

Not true... Cold War crossplay sucks.





BTW I'm sure most Cold War players on PlayStation disabled cross-play even when it is an annoying thing to have to disable all the time.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The irony:

Crossplay in MW doesn’t work like I hoped it would and is not what I was expecting. No doubt the CoD community has always been competitive and MW is no different. That’s why I do not like the crossplay system in this game because it is unfair. PC players have too many advantages over console players to be in the same matchmaking pool. - MnK accuracy - High sense - High fov - Higher frames - Easier recoil control - Better refresh rates, etc Not to mention, PC players are playing a foot away from a monitor and I’m playing on a 55” flat screen.

Console has: - aim assist

This isn't a really good example though, since it's just a bunch of subjective stuff to make his argument seem great:
kbm accuracy = I'm pretty sure MW and cold war both support kbm on console, so not giving yourself the same advantage is a choice, not something pc just unfairly has.
High sense = I dunno what this means, spider-sense?
high fov = cold war has a fov slider on consoles too
higher frames = I guess, though cold war has 120fps support, and def not every pc will reach those frames unless it's a system much more expensive than a console
easier recoil control = this is just another kbm argument.
better refresh rates = this is another cost thing, 144hz is cool but you need a strong system to get those frames; you're not at a very noticeable disadvantage at 120hz
playing a foot away on a monitor, vs 55" tv = another choice, there are pc players using tv's as well, I'm on of them, similarly you can hook your console up to a monitor and sit really close to it; again not something pc just unfairly has.

Very bad post to talk about "pc advantages", you're better off just posting about cheaters.

 

[RockOn]

Sounds shady if true. But at the same time I can’t stand Tom Warren.

He’s like a collection of the top 5 usual suspect Xbox trolls on gaf rolled into one. Usually peddling lies and fud.

Its not shady, it also says the royality is ther so that Sony don't loose everything(why wouldn't protect the large game base)( it business). It also said that if they hit or exceed targets then the royality is waved.

 

[SteelCurtain 59]

Would you call 7.5 billion dollars an absurd amount of money? Just wondering.

If Xbox's sole (or even primary) reason of buying Bethesda was to prevent Playstation owners from playing the game then yes I would agree with you. However, I doubt it was even a footnote on the many reasons why it makes sense for Xbox to buy Bethesda, so your point is moot

 

[93xfan]

It was a experience and failed.
That is why they give up.

I also think about all the classic collection that keep getting released.

But maybe I’ma rare type of gamer who is very nostalgic. It’s possible

 

[DaGwaphics]

Its not shady, it also says the royality is ther so that Sony don't loose everything(why wouldn't protect the large game base)( it business). It also said that if they hit or exceed targets then the royality is waved.

The oddity with the royalty is just how it is calculated. I can see it if it was based on some specific usage percentage that was agreed upon before crossplay was added. But the target for the royalty slides with the number of players playing on PS. Basically, if PS players are cheap one month and don't buy as many skins as Xbox or Nintendo players on average, Sony is getting paid for that. It's hilarious to me.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

All I will say about crossplay:

We don't need garbage online gaming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Not true... Cold War crossplay sucks.





BTW I'm sure most Cod War players on PlayStation disabled cross-play even when it is an annoying thing to have to disable all the time.

Works fine to me. Dont care if the lobby icons show Xbox, PS or PC players. Dont even care about SBMM. I've been doing great. Only drawback of SBMM is the lobbies take longer as the game searches for new players after every match bogging down the intermission.

 

[Gaz]

All I will say about crossplay:

We don't need garbage online gaming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The oddity with the royalty is just how it is calculated. I can see it if it was based on some specific usage percentage that was agreed upon before crossplay was added. But the target for the royalty slides with the number of players playing on PS. Basically, if PS players are cheap one month and don't buy as many skins as Xbox or Nintendo players on average, Sony is getting paid for that. It's hilarious to me.

The probably implemented that rule because they notice the PS user base is cheap compared to other gamers on other platforms that spend more on mtx/user. So Sony wants a cut of it.

If their user base was spending fine pegged at a 1.00-ish ratio, they wouldnt care implementing a rule.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I know PC gamers wanna have unfair competition to brag about their K/D ratio.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Tribalism in here with stanning for exclusion; probably don't have friends on other systems, or friends at all.

 

[sainraja]

I own a PS and I wanted Crossplay, my friends felt the same. The logic being, more people to play with more games to play. Not rocket surgery. You can't say MOST by pointing to a few hardcore members like yourself or others on GAF and keep your head in the sand and say MOST. It's anecdotal.

More people are playing on PlayStation (the only reason Sony was able to use that as leverage to get EPIC to pay them.) Regardless, I think you'll be surprised to learn how many people (outside of this forum) don't actually care about cross play - not that they are against it. For most of them, if it has it great, if it doesn't it's fine...that's how their attitude will be. We're here discussing all sorts of features because we're enthusiasts. From a business point of view, opening the gates to your player-base is a risk (that I think Sony should have taken no question) and Sony ultimately did take it; they worked it out to their benefit.

 

[Banjo64]

I own a PS and I wanted Crossplay, my friends felt the same. The logic being, more people to play with more games to play. Not rocket surgery. You can't say MOST by pointing to a few hardcore members like yourself or others on GAF and keep your head in the sand and say MOST. It's anecdotal.

Yeah man, 49 plats here and counting, cross play is something I’ve wanted ever since I owned a 360.

Cross progression is even more important to me. When I move to my Switch in bed, or my Xbox downstairs, I want to take my skins and levels with me in Rocket League and Apex. You’d have to be a grade A weapon to not want this.

Not sure how anyone can speak for 100m people, only on GAF would anyone try I suppose.

 

[Gaz]

I know PC gamers wanna have unfair competition to brag about their K/D ratio.

You know crossplay between just consoles can work right?

 

[FranXico]

If Xbox's sole (or even primary) reason of buying Bethesda was to prevent Playstation owners from playing the game then yes I would agree with you. However, I doubt it was even a footnote on the many reasons why it makes sense for Xbox to buy Bethesda, so your point is moot

Was it to secure games they would have gotten anyway? Was it to get said games on gamepass? Nothing preventing that from happening anyway.

The only evidence pointing at what their actual intent was is the actual end result: those franchises are never coming out on playstation again.

Cut the crap.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You know crossplay between just consoles can work right?

I have not much problem with console vs console, please read the title.

 

[Gaz]

I have not much problem with console vs console, please read the title.

What title? You literally said "All i will say about crossplay" followed by killing it with fire gif.

 

[deriks]

Can't tell who's more evil EPIC or Sony, Sweeney or Jim Ryan?!

 

[NickFire]

Was it to secure games they would have gotten anyway? Was it to get said games on gamepass? Nothing preventing that from happening anyway.

The only evidence pointing at what their actual intent was is the actual end result: those franchises are never coming out on playstation again.

Cut the crap.

I think its still premature to determine what MS intent was. But yeah, if these games end up being permanent exclusives then the writing is on the wall.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

What title? You literally said "All i will say about crossplay" followed by killing it with fire gif.

Yeah I don't want it, but console vs console isn't as bad as vs PC. But kill it with fire I don't want xbox players on my platform.

 

[FranXico]

Can't tell who's more evil EPIC or Sony, Sweeney or Jim Ryan?!

They are ALL fucking greedy and fucking evil. Just keep them in check with your wallet.

 

[DrAspirino]

So... still defending Sony for this shit?

The moment Microsoft or Nintendo pull a shit like that with their current consoles, will be the moment I vote against them with my wallet. I did that with my xb360 (didn't buy one until very late in the party).

Seems people here forget that first and foremost we are consumers and no matter how many good games a company can release, we can't support these kind of crap.

 

[Three]

Crossplay should just be supported. End of. Period. People who actively rally against having a larger player pool make themselves look like fools and children. Years later when you want to go back and revisit a MP game on whatever system, the larger the player pool is, the larger the likelihood of you finding varied and meaningful matches are. Stop defending Sony in this shit. They are on the wrong side of this. It's anti-consumer and anti-multiplatform developer. Sony will still make your favorite piece of plastic, they aren't going anywhere.

I have good news. It is supported.

 

[reforen]

So... still defending Sony for this shit?

The moment Microsoft or Nintendo pull a shit like that with their current consoles, will be the moment I vote against them with my wallet. I did that with my xb360 (didn't buy one until very late in the party).

Seems people here forget that first and foremost we are consumers and no matter how many good games a company can release, we can't support these kind of crap.

they will find a way to defend Sony, just sit tight

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

I guess now we know why Path of Exile has no crossplay. Shame since both ps4 and xbox communities suffer from low playerbases. Seeing how PC is by far the most popular, Sony would probably want the devs to pay premium.