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If Playstation or Xbox cannot contact an PSN/XBL activation server or equivalent, they will be bricks in the future (highly unlikely)

Why does every thread about this issue have to be full of people who do not even understand what the issue is?

No, replacing the battery won't help once the servers are down. To the system, removing the battery is the same as having it die, even if you replace it right afterwards. It will still require a connection to PSN to unlock access to your games, and if PSN is gone you're fucked.

Please explain how the console will know what time it is without the battery and without the internet?


Naaah

  • Physical PS4 games apparently work without the battery and an internet connection, ironically considering the same is not true for actual PS4s.
  • Physical PS5 games are a mixed bag. Some work and are playable, others won't even install, more testing will be done there
  • Digital PS5 games will straight up not work (particularly bad for the PS5 digital edition)
  • All issues were fixed as soon as they reinstalled the battery and connected to the servers again, so it wasn't a botched removal that caused these issues
Some people need to cut the crap, shut up and what not

 
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Naaah

  • Physical PS4 games apparently work without the battery and an internet connection, ironically considering the same is not true for actual PS4s.
  • Physical PS5 games are a mixed bag. Some work and are playable, others won't even install, more testing will be done there
  • Digital PS5 games will straight up not work (particularly bad for the PS5 digital edition)
  • All issues were fixed as soon as they reinstalled the battery and connected to the servers again, so it wasn't a botched removal that caused these issues
Some people need to cut the crap, shut up or what not

You literally have no idea what the problem actually is what a waste of my time...
 
So, others also don't know, but you're right! Gotcha.

So, that last bolded part in previous post. It is the same as replacing an another, new battery. Everything worked!
The bold literally says once replacing the battery AND CONNECTING TO THE SERVERS everything worked. The entire discussion and this thread is about when the servers are down. Your not even reading the thread.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
From a preservation stand point this is really silly. 99 percent of people will not care as they will have moved on by then but it's something they need to patch out a good amount of time before a console reaches EOL.
 

YCoCg

Member
Changing a CMOS battery is not difficult FFS...
That's not the issue. The issue is how the console acts afterwards, it needs to re-authenticate so it will play your games, but the issue is if the store is taken down (something Sony have done recently for the PS3, PSP and Vita) then it would leave the console with no ability to authenticate itself and as such, it will refuse to play games.
 
The bold literally says once replacing the battery AND CONNECTING TO THE SERVERS everything worked. The entire discussion and this thread is about when the servers are down. Your not even reading the thread.

Oh, now you can suddenly play a game with the replaced battery
And i've said on previous page that if battery is faulty, you can replace a battery and continue to play ( PS5 servers are active, aren't they?? Of course i meant PS5, this is a thread a about PS5). And i also said on previous page :

"Batteries are also faulty. And you can replace one and continue with playing. Battery surely can live 20 years, but problem are the servers which can be shut down and you can't access games anymore ( outside already bought games ) even with the right battery."

Of course you can't access the servers. You're not even reading my posts
 
That's not the issue. The issue is how the console acts afterwards, it needs to re-authenticate so it will play your games, but the issue is if the store is taken down (something Sony have done recently for the PS3, PSP and Vita) then it would leave the console with no ability to authenticate itself and as such, it will refuse to play games.
Store != PSN
 
Oh, now you can suddenly play a game with the replaced battery
And i've said on previous page that if battery is faulty, you can replace a battery and continue to play ( PS5 servers are active, aren't they?? Of course i meant PS5, this is a thread a about PS5). And i also said on previous page :

"Batteries are also faulty. And you can replace one and continue with playing. Battery surely can live 20 years, but problem are the servers which can be shut down and you can't access games anymore ( outside already bought games ) even with the right battery."

Of course you can't access the servers. You're not even reading my posts
Your quote literally says "you can't access games anymore (outside already bought games)" You can't play bought games either, everything is useless. Talk to someone else about this, I've tried explaining the topic to you like 5 times, maybe someone else can explain it to you.
 
The bold literally says once replacing the battery AND CONNECTING TO THE SERVERS everything worked. The entire discussion and this thread is about when the servers are down. Your not even reading the thread.
Just to be clear. The person you're arguing with first words in this thread consisted of this...

"People are stupid so much they don't know that you can replace the battery. :/ It's a damn issue."
 
Just to be clear. The person you're arguing with first words in this thread consisted of this...

"People are stupid so much they don't know that you can replace the battery. :/ It's a damn issue."

Yes. This is the PS5 thread, PS5 servers are active, of course everything will work with replaced battery. What's the problem, hm? Also, in previous post, i've posted some tidbits, but of course, you haven't read shit.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Once the cmos battery dies, yes... You will have to connect to Sony's servers in order for the console to synch back up.

You've solved jack shit.
Why would you need to sync back up if you never connect to the net in the first place with that unticked?
You can play a PS4 day one without connecting to the internet, so if the battery dies, replace it, and still never connect to the internet.
 
Your quote literally says "you can't access games anymore (outside already bought games)" You can't play bought games either, everything is useless. Talk to someone else about this, I've tried explaining the topic to you like 5 times, maybe someone else can explain it to you.

but problem are the servers which can be shut down and you can't access games anymore ( outside already bought games ) even with the right battery."

So, if servers are shut down. Didn't said anything wrong here
 

Three

Member
It's a ridiculous flaw in the PS4 that can be fixed with a simple "stability" update. The fact it still exists in the PS5 hints that it might be by design. Anybody defending this is a lunatic.

No, you won't be able to play games on the system period, whether they're on disk or digital; the system is essentially bricked.
It's by design in the sense that licences require 2 things time and console identification (you have games installed with expiring licences and id because you have a primary console which doesn't require a connection) . An activation server isn't going to go down.
Because if the battery dies, and you replace the battery, the system must connect to PSN before it lets you play games - disk or digital. The issue is if Sony has shut down PSN for the PS4 (like they are doing for the PS3 and their handhelds), you're screwed. Your trick won't work.
This is not about shutting down a store. This is about console activation. Even today you can activate and deactivate PS3 consoles, Vitas and PSPs.
 

reksveks

Member
Why would you need to sync back up if you never connect to the net in the first place with that unticked?
You can play a PS4 day one without connecting to the internet, so if the battery dies, replace it, and still never connect to the internet.
Because the internal time is set at the factory already is my understanding and then it would lose it if the cmod battery goes.
 
Store is just one phase, let's see how well Sony handle things for the PS3 (where this ISN'T an issue) before we get a clearer idea of what they'd do for the PS4. With those rumours floating about of patch servers being pulled as well it doesn't give great confidence.
Load of what ifs, and fake concern mongering.
 

Mr Moose

Member
S Shelookdlvl18 thinks like Xbox everthing must be online since initial startup like on Xbox requires online
I find this topic interesting, I think more testing needs to be done, I'm tempted to try myself but I can't be arsed buying the screwdriver to take my PS4 apart.

Because the internal time is set at the factory already is my understanding and then it would lose it if the cmod battery goes.
I thought you set your time when you set the console up? We need more testing. For science!
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Aenima

Member
Another nail in the coffin of physical games if you ask me. You don’t own anything anymore.
Nop. I can still sell my physical games if i could not play them on my console.
Also some PS5 physical games work even without the battery or internect conection, while others dont.

You are the most screwed if you own a digital only console as all digital PS5 games dont work.

This is a non issue, as by the time a battery dies, ppl will be already on PS6 or 7. Hopefully Sony releases a firmware update that makes the games playable even without battery for the retro gamers of the future.
 
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reinking

Gold Member
Fair enough, but what about PS4 owners?

Seeing as the PS4 prided itself on being the white knight to the Xbox One's requiring an online connection... Only to now discover that at some point, every single PS4 will require an online connection in order to even function at all. While the Xbox One won't.

Because the Xbox One was going to require it to stay online and call home. The PS4/PS5 will require a one time call after the battery is replaced and not have to go online again for another 10-15 years.
 
Dude, Xbone, XSX/S is a brick until you connect it online for the first time. You need an online connect to get Xbox One disc games to work on XSeries

PS5 works without online at first startup. Later is a choice you want to be online or not
The entire subject matter here is obviously far beyond your capability to grasp. It's like arguing with a 3 yr old.

I'm going to explain this as clearly as I can for you.

• The very first time you start your XSX/S, it will want an online connection in order to verify your XBL account. It will also want a connection the first time you install a disc based game. After that, you're good to go.

• The PS5 will not want to connect online upon first startup.

• In the future, when the cmos battery dies inside your PS5. (And it will die) You can replace the battery, at which point your PS5 will require an online connection to function properly. Same goes with both the PS4 and PS3.

Now, before you attempt any witty comeback in an attempt to defect, it's important to remember the following...

• While this won't be a problem for years regarding the PS5, it may well be a problem sooner rather than later with the PS3. While PSN still currently works fine on PS3, Sony is shutting down the PS Store on PS3 in July. Given Sony's track record of shutting down servers, it's only a matter of time before they shutter PSN altogether on the PS3.

• While some people may not care about legacy games on PS, others do. Seeing as Sony can't seem to get PS3 bc on even the PS5, and have shown no interest in doing so... At some point, PS3 digital games will no longer be playable period. "Bbbu but what about PSNow" you say? All PS3 games available to stream are using racks of physical PS3s to do so. Furthermore, in the future once the same applies to the PS4 things get even worse. As both digital as well as physical games won't work unless it can connect to PSN activation servers.

• While your "What about Xbox" attempts are noble. Unfortunately for you, there are 4 things that render your argument worthless.
1. Microsoft is currently spending money, and actively working on ensuring backwards compatibility for their legacy games.
2. Microsoft has a much better track record of keeping their servers live.
3. The XSX/S isn't a "brick" if you don't connect it online, and the specific reason I used the word "want" when referring to it connecting online is due to MS being smart enough to provide an alternative. Xbox consoles can actually be updated entirely offline if need be. But you wouldn't know anything about that being the salty ass Sony fanboy you are.
4. Last but not least. Microsoft was open and transparent about it's consoles requirements and features from day one. Even with the Xbox One, while it might've been muddled and confusing, they never denied things that actually were. Meanwhile, Sony was leading the crusade against MS and it's evil DRM practices (which was silly considering their own history with DRM), all while knowingly maintaining an even worse DRM in their very own consoles... All while maintaining they didn't.

Absolutely anyone defending Sony's bullshit practice here, much less attempting to point a finger at Microsoft or anyone else is nothing more than a pathetic cuck that simply doesn't have a leg to stand on. There's no benefit to supporting it. It does neither you, Sony, or gamers as a whole any favors. Quit crying about the media, youtubers, Gaffers, and the gaming community conspiring together in dark alleys to diss on your beloved Playstation via conspiracy theories. Instead, simply demand Sony do better. I promise you, nobody will consider you weak, and I guarantee the air out here is fresher than it is up Jim Ryan's ass.
 
Why would you need to sync back up if you never connect to the net in the first place with that unticked?
You can play a PS4 day one without connecting to the internet, so if the battery dies, replace it, and still never connect to the internet.
Riiiight.... Which is where the anger comes from. Because despite Sony claiming that to be the case... It's apparently not.

So before you get all keyboard commando on me. Please go untick that box, remove your cmos battery, reinstall it, and see what happens.
 
Do people think that by the time this ever actually happens they'll still be using their PS5? you'll probably be on PS7 or PS8 which will likely play all of the older games so who freaking cares? Why are people such drama queens? xbox fans I can't wait until MS starts releasing some games so you guys actually have something to do.
Imagine willing to purchase a product, and then by planned obsolescence not being able to use that product in any point in the future for absolutely no physical reason except that you can’t hook it up to the internet.

And thank the company for it. I can think of a few other actions you shills would thank them for.
 
The entire subject matter here is obviously far beyond your capability to grasp. It's like arguing with a 3 yr old.

I'm going to explain this as clearly as I can for you.

• The very first time you start your XSX/S, it will want an online connection in order to verify your XBL account. It will also want a connection the first time you install a disc based game. After that, you're good to go.

• The PS5 will not want to connect online upon first startup.

• In the future, when the cmos battery dies inside your PS5. (And it will die) You can replace the battery, at which point your PS5 will require an online connection to function properly. Same goes with both the PS4 and PS3.

Now, before you attempt any witty comeback in an attempt to defect, it's important to remember the following...

• While this won't be a problem for years regarding the PS5, it may well be a problem sooner rather than later with the PS3. While PSN still currently works fine on PS3, Sony is shutting down the PS Store on PS3 in July. Given Sony's track record of shutting down servers, it's only a matter of time before they shutter PSN altogether on the PS3.

• While some people may not care about legacy games on PS, others do. Seeing as Sony can't seem to get PS3 bc on even the PS5, and have shown no interest in doing so... At some point, PS3 digital games will no longer be playable period. "Bbbu but what about PSNow" you say? All PS3 games available to stream are using racks of physical PS3s to do so. Furthermore, in the future once the same applies to the PS4 things get even worse. As both digital as well as physical games won't work unless it can connect to PSN activation servers.

• While your "What about Xbox" attempts are noble. Unfortunately for you, there are 4 things that render your argument worthless.
1. Microsoft is currently spending money, and actively working on ensuring backwards compatibility for their legacy games.
2. Microsoft has a much better track record of keeping their servers live.
3. The XSX/S isn't a "brick" if you don't connect it online, and the specific reason I used the word "want" when referring to it connecting online is due to MS being smart enough to provide an alternative. Xbox consoles can actually be updated entirely offline if need be. But you wouldn't know anything about that being the salty ass Sony fanboy you are.
4. Last but not least. Microsoft was open and transparent about it's consoles requirements and features from day one. Even with the Xbox One, while it might've been muddled and confusing, they never denied things that actually were. Meanwhile, Sony was leading the crusade against MS and it's evil DRM practices (which was silly considering their own history with DRM), all while knowingly maintaining an even worse DRM in their very own consoles... All while maintaining they didn't.

Absolutely anyone defending Sony's bullshit practice here, much less attempting to point a finger at Microsoft or anyone else is nothing more than a pathetic cuck that simply doesn't have a leg to stand on. There's no benefit to supporting it. It does neither you, Sony, or gamers as a whole any favors. Quit crying about the media, youtubers, Gaffers, and the gaming community conspiring together in dark alleys to diss on your beloved Playstation via conspiracy theories. Instead, simply demand Sony do better. I promise you, nobody will consider you weak, and I guarantee the air out here is fresher than it is up Jim Ryan's ass.
Not going to debate which is worse, but the initial online check on Xbox is also complete bs and shouldn’t be defended.
 

GHG

Member
That's not the issue. The issue is how the console acts afterwards, it needs to re-authenticate so it will play your games, but the issue is if the store is taken down (something Sony have done recently for the PS3, PSP and Vita) then it would leave the console with no ability to authenticate itself and as such, it will refuse to play games.

Didn't know they were shutting PSN down entirely along with all of our accounts.
 

Naked Lunch

Member
Why would you need to sync back up if you never connect to the net in the first place with that unticked?
You can play a PS4 day one without connecting to the internet, so if the battery dies, replace it, and still never connect to the internet.
Unfortunately this was recently tested.
Apparently the person who discovered the issue, to test further, recently bought a brand new PS4 slim - ripped the battery out - never connected to PSN - and no games worked.
Its referenced in the Adam Koralik youtube video posted earlier.
 
Not going to debate which is worse, but the initial online check on Xbox is also complete bs and shouldn’t be defended.
Of course you're not going to debate that. You already know which one is worse.

However this thread isn't about Xbox. It's about Playstation, and out of all the defending going on you singled me out.

You've got nothing bud. So have a seat.
 

Trimesh

Banned
Although I would agree this is annoying and a bad design choice I don't think it's accurate to consider it as a hardware problem. This is something you can easily fix in software - if the trusted clock is not set then just warn the user that certain features won't work until the unit is connected to the network at least once. IMO, this is what they should have done initially - entirely disabling the system is a lazy cop-out.
 
Unfortunately this was recently tested.
Apparently the person who discovered the issue, to test further, recently bought a brand new PS4 slim - ripped the battery out - never connected to PSN - and no games worked.
Its referenced in the Adam Koralik youtube video posted earlier.
Exactly, Sony not only lied to everyone about this, they spent years ripping others for it. When at the very least, they were open about it.

And just look at all these leeches trying to spin it in such a way as to defend it. Pathetic
 
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