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The PS5 is making me hate PC Gaming (techradar article)

Topher

Gold Member
You're not saying much. How many PS5 owners are out there, 3.4m within the first month, prob about 5 mill now least? How many own better than PS5 on PC? All I need is the receipts.

https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/ga...4million-units-within-its-first-month-2847020

Of the 3 billion gamers in the world, 1.3 billion are estimated to be PC gamers according to newzoo. Steam hardware survey shows about two and a half percent of gamers have a 2080 Super or above. 32 billion or so? Hmmm. Let's say newzoo is wrong and it is only 500 million PC gamer in the world. That's 12.5 million. Cut that in half again and we are still above 5 million.

Three Billion Players by 2023: Engagement and Revenues Continue to Thrive Across the Global Games Market | Newzoo
Steam Hardware & Software Survey (steampowered.com)
 

Loope

Member
Of the 3 billion gamers in the world, 1.3 billion are estimated to be PC gamers according to newzoo. Steam hardware survey shows about two and a half percent of gamers have a 2080 Super or above. 32 billion or so? Hmmm. Let's say newzoo is wrong and it is only 500 million PC gamer in the world. That's 12.5 million. Cut that in half again and we are still above 5 million.

Three Billion Players by 2023: Engagement and Revenues Continue to Thrive Across the Global Games Market | Newzoo
Steam Hardware & Software Survey (steampowered.com)
Wait for it, next he'll be asking about the exclusives. It's always the same thing with such people.
 

T8SC

Member
Who gives a fuck about graphics? This isn't 1997.

Consoles used to have more variety with their games but now, they're both about on par. However, I'd still choose the platform that has the games I want to play, bollocks to all those shadow settings etc that someones posted above, means nothing unless you like counting pixels instead of playing the game.
 
Folks waiting for timed-exclusives to release on their platform of choice are usually very patient folk? :pie_thinking:


You took a lot of time writing that. Where is the receipt?

Just admit you can't provide it and be done with it. Do you research, as you say.
Of the 3 billion gamers in the world, 1.3 billion are estimated to be PC gamers according to newzoo. Steam hardware survey shows about two and a half percent of gamers have a 2080 Super or above. 32 billion or so? Hmmm. Let's say newzoo is wrong and it is only 500 million PC gamer in the world. That's 12.5 million. Cut that in half again and we are still above 5 million.

Three Billion Players by 2023: Engagement and Revenues Continue to Thrive Across the Global Games Market | Newzoo
Steam Hardware & Software Survey (steampowered.com)


Well there you go Knitted Knight Knitted Knight . Reciepts to make a grown(?) man cry. Keep fighting the good fight for your Lord and savior.



 

Kadayi

Banned
So what's the point? If we are comparing like that then hell, I can get integrated gpu and play fine on 720p

seems legit martin freeman GIF


Sure you can Rofif, I'd love to see you running Cyberpunk on an integrated GPU with all the bells and whistles on.
 
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Clickbait article always work.
Switch makes me hate Playstatio 5 while Xbox hasn't anything that isn't on PC anyways.

AAlso mobile >

Stupid arrangement of words
 
Of the 3 billion gamers in the world, 1.3 billion are estimated to be PC gamers according to newzoo. Steam hardware survey shows about two and a half percent of gamers have a 2080 Super or above. 32 billion or so? Hmmm. Let's say newzoo is wrong and it is only 500 million PC gamer in the world. That's 12.5 million. Cut that in half again and we are still above 5 million.

Three Billion Players by 2023: Engagement and Revenues Continue to Thrive Across the Global Games Market | Newzoo
Steam Hardware & Software Survey (steampowered.com)

You're making a lot of guesses and guesstimates, cutting numbers by half out the blue out of arbitrary reasons. The reason you do so is because you don't even believe the accuracy of the numbers you're quoting, nor have an ability to parse through the data to give conclusive evidence that disproves my claim. There are no facts to be found there (receipts). So lets establish a few things.

With consoles, and console numbers we know for a fact that each console owner who owns a console owns it to play video games (those who use it as a media center and don't play games on a PS5 are an statistical irrelevance). With PS5, the 5m or so owners of the platform do so for gaming. I'll explain later why this is important.

If you're going to compare and claim numbers out the blue you first have to set the parameter of the comparison clear in order to know which specific hardware numbers we must look after to compare.

Here is what you would be trying to disprove:

".... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming - so it's what it's."

What you'll be trying to prove is that more than 5m PC gamers own a PC gaming rig that is MORE capable than a PS5, not just simply matching it in performance.

The PS5 has been observed to perform as good as a 2080/2080 super, sometimes like a 2070 etc. It oscillates around that sort of performance (for now since the kinks in the hardware have upside).

So which sort of PC hardware performs better than 2080/2080 super unequivocally? 3070, 3080, 3090, 6800, 6900 etc.

What you will then need is to find the total number of those cards out there on the market. You can't make up numbers here. You will then need to parse through that sales data somehow and figure out how many of those cards are mining crypto, sitting on servers, offices, software developers offices etc vs. how many of those are in the hands of PC enthusiasts and used for gaming.

Only then can you try to create a good educated guess on the sort of numbers that exist as an install base to THEN compare it to the PS5's numbers which we know clearly to be unequivocal facts.

Not only do you have to do that for graphics cards as part of the components base that make up a gaming PC, but also for a CPU's with better performance than a 8-core Zen 2 CPU's, the SSD (which is incomparable atm no matter the config on PC - edge PS5 etc.. etc..).

Since that exercise proves to be almost impossible (and it would be easier if we had leaks on Nvidia/AMD sales for specific cards/cpu's - to at least help us get started to then get to usage types) we can only attempt to use Steam hardware surveys to have a sort of idea, not fact, but an idea of what the numbers may possibly be.

And since I've done this already, although not up to date for Feb 2021..... here is what I got. I'm not going to redo all of that math but it's safe to say the percentages haven't changed much due to the scarcity aspect, and paper launch nature of the hardware in question, as well as the slow nature of adoption on PC.

What I can say is that I believe it's reasonable to conclude that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers do not own PC gaming rigs that are unequivocally more capable than a PS5. There is no actual credible evidence that has been presented to date to prove otherwise and the market conditions and the data that is indeed available do not support that conclusion. You'll be hard pressed to prove that more than 5m combined sales of 3070, 3080, 3090, 6800, 6900 etc have occurred in the 3-4 month period of sales, and that all of those are dedicated to gaming, and that the gaming rigs in which those cards are found all have the necessary components required to outperform a PS5 in gaming.

And it goes without saying that the Steam Hardware survey is a very limited, opt-in only survey of some users on Steam. It does not provide the whole picture, not even the slightest. And even then the data is weak to prove the counterpoint.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/perf...der-heavy-load.1580207/page-10#post-261487323

Steam Hardware Survey (July-November 2020) - Here!

GPU: PS5 in gaming performance (and other benchmarks as in the thread topic) has been seen to potentially go as far high as matching performance of that of an RTX 2080 or 2080 Super (obviously performance bound to go higher the more developers learn to/make use of the PS5 hardware). Using that as an early ceiling:

Roughly ONLY 2% of PC Gamers as of November 2020 own a graphics card that comfortably exceeds PS5's early observed ceiling performance. That make up comes from RTX 3000 series cards (paper launch) at 0.32%, non-existant Radeon 6800 series and 0.82% for the RTX 2080ti. That is to say the PS5 matches or is superior in gaming performance to 98% of PC cards out there - say with a margin of error of at most 2% pts. Lets say that number improves by years end of 2021? Looking at the slow rate of adoption of previous cards shows that PC gamers upgrade at a snail-like pace (more so given the high costs today - not everyone can shell out $1000). So to be generous that will only improve to about a potential max of 4-5% "exceeding" the PS5 by years end of 2021. Not to mention of the millions of PS5's that will be out there aka the sales disparity that will exist between consoles and these cards.

CPU:
89.29%
of PC gamers don’t own an 8 core CPU as of November 2020. That is to say ONLY 9.81% of PC gamers have an equivalent CPU that appears to match PS5's CPU. And ONLY 0.90% exceed it. Only 23.32% of the Intel CPU’s are clocked at roughly matching or exceeding PS5's GPU clock speed - give or take. And obviously performance varies – that is to say, for gaming related output the PS5 CPU will outperform a great deal of those CPU’s that “match it” within than 9.81%, on average, shrinking that number lower.

RAM:
43.24 %
of PC gamers do not have more RAM on their Gaming PC's than what’s found on PS5. Not to mention the nature of bottlenecked performance on PC architecture (but that's another topic).

Display Resolution:

Only 10.28% have displays that can output 1440p (8%) or 4K (2.25%) resolutions. That is not performance however. Not to be confused.

Hard Drive:

I think it's funny Steam doesn't poll this (or maybe they did but no longer do :messenger_winking: - homework for the inclined). Looking at the data above to get an overall picture, how many PC gamers own an SSD that can even match or exceed PS5's data throughput without getting bottlenocked? Or just by sheer brute force strength outdo the PS5... or whatever fairytale PCMRs tell themselves to cope....when Direct Storage is not even out yet? :messenger_savoring: Or are we gonna bring the "more RAM" argument to the mix? Checked on that RAM data of those numbers exceeding 16 GBs yet? :messenger_neutral:

I'm gonna provide the data point for the lack of data anyway as it's not needed here. 0.1% including accounting for margin of error.

So we come to the obvious conclusion of the saga. The PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there today. And for 2021 - roughly 95-96%. And that will spill over into 2022.
 
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I like that sentence where he says pc gaming seems like an uphill battle with all upgrades. That's just so much bullshit.
You DON'T have to have the latest and greatest tech to enjoy pc gaming. My vega 64 is a fairly older card now and it still maxes out everything on 1080p.
 
Omg I can buy an AMD bulldozer from 2011 because it's sooo much better than a 9600k, because 8 chores is better than 6! Even though the 9600k runs circles around the 8150. Even a 4 core 7700k wipes the floor with the 8 core 8150. You can tell these console warriors have the slightest clue about hardware, when they start to make conclusions like the ones above. You can sense the hurt 🤕
 

Khasha

Neo Member
Source: https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/the-ps5-is-making-me-hate-pc-gaming

I've owned both a PS4 and a gaming PC for many years now, but my computers have always won the title of being my favorite gaming hardware, often leaving my PS4 gathering dust for months on end. Knowing I could only afford one, I had a decision to make: do I buy a PS5 now, or save up for a shiny GeForce RTX 3090 and CPU upgrade?

It seemed like an obvious choice at the time. I'm now kicking myself.

Since these GPUs have hit the market we've seen games such as Cyberpunk 2077, Watchdogs: Legion, and The Medium released, giving us the opportunity to test this groundbreaking computing hardware for ourselves. And each time, be it down to overly demanding software or lack of optimization for PC, I'm left disappointed.

Before the games were even released, we were seeing some fairly alarming system requirements to play the latest AAA titles. It was reported this week by DSOG that the Medium couldn't run at a consistent 60fps on a PC equipped with an Intel i9-9900K and an RTX 3080, even on standard 1080p quality and ray tracing switched off. And the optimization issues faced by The Medium are hardly unique.

PC gaming feels like a constant uphill battle to evolve and accommodate the very latest in computing technology, combining a love for tech tinkering with a gaming hobby for many. You need to put consistent effort, money, or both into being a PC gamer because a large reason people might choose a computer over a console is the ability to experience games in the highest achievable quality.

And yet, PS5 owners can now experience 4K quality, better game optimization (in some titles), and haptic feedback in the DualSense controller for significantly less than a comparable gaming computer would cost to buy or build. One of the biggest reasons I (and many others) will also be buying a PS5 is because of the Sony Exclusive titles.

When the PS5 showcase announced Horizon: Forbidden West, Demon's Souls and God of War: Ragnorak, I excitedly noted them as titles to look forward to playing when I could eventually buy the console myself. Now that the first few months of the Nvidia Ampere and AMD 'Big Navi' hardware have passed, I'm left feeling disappointed and envious of my console playing peers.

This is in no way saying that I'll be switching out my gaming PC in favor of a PS5, but I'm firmly stepping down from my high horse for the time being. Until games are better optimized for PC or developers manage their hardware expectations, every game I'm looking forward to in 2021 is currently a PS5-exclusive.
Was this written by a 12 year old? It's strange to me that such a poorly arranged and ineffectively conveyed opinion can make it to techradar. I guess they're trying to be the next Forbes lol.
 

Rayderism

Member
I was never much of a framerate or resolution elitist. Always primarily gamed on consoles. Shortly after Win98 came out, I went to PC gaming. Enjoyed building and setting up PC's for about 20 years. Then I just got annoyed at having to update the system components all the time to keep up with games. Ports and connectors kept changing, forcing you to throw everything away and start all over....bleh.
Around 2010 I bought a PS3 and went back to consoles. I relegated PC gaming to legacy console emulation and old favorites on a gaming laptop (screw building giant space-heater desktops anymore). I came to the conclusion that if I didn't use a PC for modern gaming, I didn't have to update it any more often than a console generation, so buying a powerful laptop every few years is all I need for PC-centric stuff, and to keep my emulators and classic PC game favorites going. I haven't regretted my decision.
 

TonyK

Member
You chose 30 fps?

:messenger_fearful:
Yes, I prefer image quality over fluidity. In 60fps mode it plays better, that's unquestionable, but it looks like PS4 for me. Graphics look good but not anything to pay attention. In quality mode is when graphics shine and I have my Stendhal moments : )

Luckily, for now in this new generation there are options for everyone, I hope it will continue it that way.

However, at some point of the generation I will want both: 4K +60fps, and then is when I will come back to PC. It's the cycle I life almost all generations.
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
The PS5 outperforms a $500 PC.
This is the shit I am talking about in my post.

I mean, what is the point in posting this other than trying to be inflammatory, or make yourself feel better about your purchase? No shit a $500 console is better than a n equivalently priced pc. CONSOLES ARE VALUE LEADERS. Also, who the fuck builds a $500 gaming pc other than clickbait youtubers? The answer is nobody.

Around $800-900 will beat a ps5 but honestly why skimp? If you are going for a pc then spend $1200+ for something that will last until the ps6 and with a GPU upgrade maybe longer.

PCs are about brute force power, not value.
 
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Those new console cant get to 60 fps in 2160 all the time. The secret sauce of the pc is the RTX series witb DLSS on, the way CP2077 and RDR2 looks cant be achieved by those half gen upgrade ps5 and xsx.
 

Topher

Gold Member
You're making a lot of guesses and guesstimates, cutting numbers by half out the blue out of arbitrary reasons. The reason you do so is because you don't even believe the accuracy of the numbers you're quoting, nor have an ability to parse through the data to give conclusive evidence that disproves my claim. There are no facts to be found there (receipts). So lets establish a few things.

I cut the numbers to demonstrate how far off the mark you are. But fine....stick to the original number. 1.3 billion PC gamers.

So we come to the obvious conclusion of the saga. The PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there today. And for 2021 - roughly 95-96%. And that will spill over into 2022.

Like I said. Approximately 2.5%. Good. We agree.

You're not saying much. How many PS5 owners are out there, 3.4m within the first month, prob about 5 mill now least? How many own better than PS5 on PC? All I need is the receipts.

Answer: 5 million PS5 owners. 32.5 million gamers with PCs superior to PS5.
 

Fredrik

Member
haha get out of here with out of context statements like this.
what are you playing? 720p or medium settings?
I have 3080 here. Zero Dawn 4k maxed runs 60 but uses like 99% of gpu
Cyberpunk maxed with rt with dlss on balanced runs 30-40.
But You come in here sayin "oh I have this magical 1080ti which runs cyberpunk 2077 60fps ON ULTRA and horizon 1000fps.

BULLSHIT, not max settings like you say, 1080p
HZD, Ultimate preset, magical 1080ti 😏
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Bullshit and out of context? I don’t see why. The beauty of PC gaming is the choice to use your system resources any way you want, you’re going with 4K but my choice is to not waste it on 4K to keep the framerate and graphics settings up instead. So 1080p it is. 👍

So many console games go high on resolution for no reason than to tick a PR box, then they get unstable or low framerates so they have to motion blur it all to hide the stutter... Seems unwise if you ask me. Looks great in photomodes but blurry when you play.

As for Cyberpunk I obviously can’t use RT on a 1080ti, Ultra preset is the highest setting available for me. Looks gorgeous!👌
 

Ev1L AuRoN

Member
For what I see, a RTX 2070 Super is more than enough to stand against those consoles, that optimization you speak of is nothing more than visual downgrades, on PC you have the granularity to make the game look do way you want.

But, in a vacuum yes, consoles are better than ever and a terrific deal for people who just want to play.
 
I cut the numbers to demonstrate how far off the mark you are. But fine....stick to the original number. 1.3 billion PC gamers.



Like I said. Approximately 2.5%. Good. We agree.



Answer: 5 million PS5 owners. 32.5 million gamers with PCs superior to PS5.

You cut the numbers up and down, whichever way you chose because you have absolutely 0 idea on how to parse through that data, and you're unable to find data points that corrolate to the specific hardware (s) in question. Not because I'm off the mark... something you clearly have no idea of. You're making guesstimates and using conjecture on data you don't understand. And that's the end of that lmao.

Can you show the sales data that says that 32.5 million in combined sales of 3070s, 3080s, 3090s, 6800, 6900 have taken place - that is produced, sold and are found in PC Gaming rigs?

If so please do show them - I want to read about those sales numbers from Nvidia, and to a lesser extent AMD... given the current scarcity environment for capacity. The absurdity of the claim couldn't be further from the truth. That you can't even see it but push forward with it says a lot.

It's what it's. To die on the hill, and only focus on that particular claim of mine out of that initial big post is all I need to know of the folks engaged in the arguments.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
Yes, I prefer image quality over fluidity. In 60fps mode it plays better, that's unquestionable, but it looks like PS4 for me. Graphics look good but not anything to pay attention. In quality mode is when graphics shine and I have my Stendhal moments : )

Luckily, for now in this new generation there are options for everyone, I hope it will continue it that way.

However, at some point of the generation I will want both: 4K +60fps, and then is when I will come back to PC. It's the cycle I life almost all generations.

Fair enough. For me, the frame rate is a big part of the overall image quality since most games aren't just still screens.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
So we come to the obvious conclusion of the saga. The PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there today. And for 2021 - roughly 95-96%. And that will spill over into 2022.

You know what's also true? A 2021 model gaming laptop will outperform probably 97~98% of PC gaming rigs out there today. That's just kind of the nature of tracking all Steam users who have PC hardware going back well over a decade in many cases.

If we tracked back to the PS3, PS5s would probably represent like 2% of the total "PlayStation userbase."

I don't say this to shit on the PS5. I bought one and I think it's a great machine, but saying it's more powerful than most PC hardware from Steam surveys is really not saying much.
 

Fredrik

Member

I can’t relate to this. How do you end up in this scenario? I never look at FAQs or settings guides or whatever. I just click start on Steam and set the gfx settings to whatever my system can handle and play the game. I never even turn off my PC. Always powered on, always updated, always ready. 🤷‍♂️
 

Topher

Gold Member
You cut the numbers down, up and down, whichever way you chose because you have absolutely 0 idea on how to parse through that data, and you're unable to find data points that corrolate to the specific hardware in question. Not because I'm off the mark... something you clearly have no idea of. You're making guesstimates and using conjecture on data you don't understand. And that's the end of that lmao.

Can you show the sales data that say that 32.5 million 3070s, 3080s, 3090s, 6800, 6900 have been produced, sold and are found in PC Gaming rigs?

If so please show do show them. The absurdity of claim couldn't be further from the truth.

I have no idea how many of those specific GPUs have been sold, but it doesn't matter. You've already stated what percent of gaming PCs are superior to PS5.

The PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there today.

You wrote a really long post to come to this conclusion. I just did the math on the percentage we agreed on. But now you want a entirely different set of data?

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Bo_Hazem

Banned
I hooked my PS5 a couple of days ago and while it's an amazing device for the price (minus the looks, Jesus Christ), I will never ever buy a multi plat game for it because I know I will have a better gaming experience on PC.

I'll post more in PS5 |OT|

Give me that GT7, now.

Can't go wrong with RTX 3080 for multiplats. :messenger_ok:
 
I have no idea how many of those specific GPUs have been sold, but it doesn't matter. You've already stated what percent of gaming PCs are superior to PS5.



You wrote a really long post to come to this conclusion. I just did the math on the percentage we agreed on. But now you want a entirely different set of data?

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Well you finally admit the obvious. You have no idea what you're talking about. You did throw 32.5 million out there.... well a bunch of numbers up and down on the whim of the argument you wanted to push.

The Steam data is not conclusive nor a proper representation of the number of those cards out there. It's simply about a limited set of Steam users who opt in to a survey - those are the results. Based on that sample, the PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there IF you take it as representative of the larger PC gaming space (which it's not). I'm not a fan that survey, but I use it to entertain the arguments made. And I disclose that when I bring that survey up, for those very reasons. In other words, I don't endorse that info.

That data doesn't say how it correlates to sales of the specific hardware - you can't draw sales conclusions based on that. You would need proper disclosures by Nvidia and AMD on it, and somehow hope they also break it down to enthusiast vs. enterprise clients, and hope that enthusiast do not include crypto miners in the pot. Considering the scarcity aspect in the current enviroment, the idea that there are more than 5 million of those cards out there, and used specificially in rigs is a big fat stretch. And btw, it's not just the PS5 sales numbers you need to contend, but the XSX sales numbers too since they're more or less comparable in performance.

Now you can obviously disagree but there are no receipt that prove that point.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
HZD, Ultimate preset, magical 1080ti 😏
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Bullshit and out of context? I don’t see why. The beauty of PC gaming is the choice to use your system resources any way you want, you’re going with 4K but my choice is to not waste it on 4K to keep the framerate and graphics settings up instead. So 1080p it is. 👍

So many console games go high on resolution for no reason than to tick a PR box, then they get unstable or low framerates so they have to motion blur it all to hide the stutter... Seems unwise if you ask me. Looks great in photomodes but blurry when you play.

As for Cyberpunk I obviously can’t use RT on a 1080ti, Ultra preset is the highest setting available for me. Looks gorgeous!👌
ok then.
Soorry mate. I can respect that. It is a reasonable choice.
I had HP 27ea which to this day, i think is the best 1080p monitor image quality wise because of glossy screen. but it''s only 60hz. There are 1080p 144hz ips monitors now too.
What are You using ?
 
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TonyK

Member
Fair enough. For me, the frame rate is a big part of the overall image quality since most games aren't just still screens.
Yes, main problem I find with 30fps is how blurry is when you pan the camera horizontally. But overall, detail is a lot higher for me in quality mode. I play in a 65" oled TV at 2 meters, so difference in detail is visible. But if I was seated at 3 meters I would play in performance mode because in that case difference in detail is less prominent and it doesn't compensate the loss in detail when image is in movement at 30fps.
 

Optimus Lime

(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
I mean, it's painfully obvious that not only is this one of the worst threads in GAF history, it may be one of the worst threads in the history of the internet. But, one of the most shocking things to get out of the cascade of idiotic, brain damaged hot takes that I'm seeing is that there's a shockingly high number of posters on a fucking gaming forum, who lack the basic IT literacy to run a Windows machine, or to perform basic PC troubleshooting that the children of the 1990's were able to do in their sleep. Apparently, not only do games require journalist mode - so does the hardware. I mean, the article in the OP is so fucking pathetic that it makes my head spin.

You're right. PC gaming isn't for you. Stick to your consoles, and your Macbooks, and shut the fuck up. You've got years of walking simulators from Sony ahead of you, so you'd better get cracking.
 

Fredrik

Member
ok then.
Soorry mate. I can respect that. It is a reasonable choice.
I had HP 27ea which to this day, i think is the best 1080p monitor image quality wise because of glossy screen. but it''s only 60hz. There are 1080p 144hz ips monitors now too.
What are You using ?
No prob, the beauty of PC gaming is not being blocked for having specific priorities.

I actually still game on an old 24” 144hz gsync ASUS, looks okay but definitely needs a size upgrade. But I have two more 24” screens ready for racing so that’s another reason why I don’t want to jump into 4K yet. It’s costy and 3x 4K might be a bit too much even for a 30xx card. Not sure how to deal with that tbh, might go half way with 1440p on 27” when it’s time to upgrade. Or maybe a super ultra wide but then I’m worried it’ll mess up old games if I’m too lazy for mods etc.
 

Topher

Gold Member
The Steam data is not conclusive nor a proper representation of the number of those cards out there. It's simply about a limited set of Steam users who opt in to a survey - those are the results. Based on that sample, the PS5 matches or outperforms roughly 97-98% of PC gaming rigs out there IF you take it as representative of the larger PC gaming space (which it's not). I'm not a fan that survey, but I use it to entertain the arguments made.

Translation:

"Everything I wrote previously was bullshit."

Got it. Guess we will just end with that. :messenger_peace:
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
HZD, Ultimate preset, magical 1080ti 😏
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Bullshit and out of context? I don’t see why. The beauty of PC gaming is the choice to use your system resources any way you want, you’re going with 4K but my choice is to not waste it on 4K to keep the framerate and graphics settings up instead. So 1080p it is. 👍

So many console games go high on resolution for no reason than to tick a PR box, then they get unstable or low framerates so they have to motion blur it all to hide the stutter... Seems unwise if you ask me. Looks great in photomodes but blurry when you play.

As for Cyberpunk I obviously can’t use RT on a 1080ti, Ultra preset is the highest setting available for me. Looks gorgeous!👌
1080p no HDR.

Id rather play the 1440p/HDR Pro version.
But tbh I never played much of it because of the fps.
Didn’t want to double dip on PC for the 60+fps.
🤷‍♂️
 

Fredrik

Member
1080p no HDR.

Id rather play the 1440p/HDR Pro version.
But tbh I never played much of it because of the fps.
Didn’t want to double dip on PC for the 60+fps.
🤷‍♂️
I double dipped to support the PC initiative, can’t say I’ve checked what’s done better or worse but the port was a bit messy at least early on.
Interestingly though, the framerate was no big deal for me, even on OG PS4 it was one of my all time fav Sony games. But once you get used to 60+ fps it’s difficult to go back, so it might’ve been a wise choice to stay away. I’m kinda ruined now tbh so I just hope they go with 60fps on Forbidden West or better yet don’t make us wait 3 years for a PC version.
 
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farmerboy

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I just can't understand how, after all these years, the same arguments and wars continue, without abatement.

Guys like to use PC.
Guys like to use console.
Some like to use both.

And?
 
Weird, the last generations have just made PC gaming seem even more obvious to me. My 780 lasted almost the whole PS4 generation and i5 4690K stood strong during that time as well. Thus as a generational leap, doing an upgrade of my computer feels very easy and natural. More so, PC overall feels superior to console gaming. You have far more tools to your disposal, modding has made games have a longer tail and just overall better, you can run multiple screens, so you can game, while watching on one screen and reading forums on the third. Then there's the games you only get to play on PC as well (even whole genres), making consoles look pointless, having to depend on a few AAA exclusives to get you to consider them.
Only advantage for console is honestly convenience and as a simple, no-hassle gaming machine in your living room. However, my time gaming in the living room has long since been reduced. Honestly Switch and PC are currently king imo, with traditional consoles at third spot. If mobile is included, then I feel like (due to FGO) that console is 4th.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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I double dipped to support the PC initiative, can’t say I’ve checked what’s done better or worse but the port was a bit messy at least early on.
Interestingly though, the framerate was no big deal for me, even on OG PS4 it was one of my all time fav Sony games. But once you get used to 60+ fps it’s difficult to go back, so it might’ve been a wise choice to stay away. I’m kinda ruined now tbh so I just hope they go with 60fps on Forbidden West or better yet don’t make us wait 3 years for a PC version.
Yeah I felt nauseous playing it but used it for testing displays.
Now that they improved the performance what are your fps above 1080p? Are you getting 60fps 1440p maxed?BTW I have a highly clocked 1080ti as well.
 
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