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DF- Devil May Cry 5 SE: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - The First Next-Gen Performance Face-Off
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Where is the clear gap we were told would exist?
Stuart360
Member
Ah the cherry picking screens have started. The one area, literally a room, where there was a big jump on PS5, and even DF cant work out why.Xsx wins in all modes ? I m sorry what ?
Gameplay:
All the modes the majority of people will be playing, are better on XSX, and its as simple as that.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Then Wchard can't editorialize.
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nowhat
Member
Cool. PS5 still performs better in that mode.
Dave_at_Home
Member
This may be the case and will be interesting to see in the future of multi-platform titles as developers optimize for these systems. Will performance disparities grow between PS5 and Series X? I've been guessing for a while a 12% on average difference in favor of Series X, so we'll see.
Does DMC5 utilize DualSense? Anyway, seems like its gonna be PS5 and a future PC upgrade for me. May try to make a small gaming PC for my living room.
MasterCornholio
Member
Not a big difference here but I wasn't expecting the PS5 to perform better in high FPS mode during gameplay.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Xbox has a fatter gpu and that has consequences. As someone who greatly prefers the Sony stable of ips I'd have taken dynamic 4k with locked framerate: 1900 lines vs 2160 lines is nothing, but inconsistent framerates are annoying.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
PropellerEar
Member
Kind of what I was expecting.
Faster load time on PS5 and not much difference in fps.
Game really needs locked framerate modes.
Faster load time on PS5 and not much difference in fps.
Game really needs locked framerate modes.
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Agnostic2020
Member
The end is both are close but high frame is better on ps5.
High frame ps5 is higher by average of 20%
Normal mode xsx is higher by average of 8%
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Kssio_Aug
Member
If you want that, you need to play on PC apparently.
TheDreadLord
Member
So this means that without any optimization and faulty API the SeX is already delivering better graphics and performance? What a surprise.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
They’ve definitely fucked something up with the Xbox high frame rate mode. The 4K modes frame rate is often much higher than it is in the “high frame rate mode”, so that’s all that needs to be said.
In 4K the series X looks to be averaging around 95fps, never really going below 80fps. In “high frame rate mode” it’s hanging around 60 for long periods of time, rarely hanging around 90fps.
Literally the only thing it can be is the devs have fucked up something big time.
In 4K mode the Series X comfortably beats the PS5 too. 20fps+ ahead frequently. In both RT modes the Xbox comfortably beats the PS5 in performance too.
In 4K the series X looks to be averaging around 95fps, never really going below 80fps. In “high frame rate mode” it’s hanging around 60 for long periods of time, rarely hanging around 90fps.
Literally the only thing it can be is the devs have fucked up something big time.
In 4K mode the Series X comfortably beats the PS5 too. 20fps+ ahead frequently. In both RT modes the Xbox comfortably beats the PS5 in performance too.
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vpance
Member
Mem bandwidth bottleneck from heavy particle effects?
Edit: my bad, doesn’t seem like that’s a particle effect. Maybe it’s SSD related lol
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's a pc. x86 or whatever. there is not much to learnRemember this diagram guys, when comparing games now and near future.
Sony devkits are built to quickly tapped into the system power, and are more matured ahead of Xbox. 1+1 = 2 for Sony atm
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Remember this diagram guys, when comparing games now and near future.
Sony devkits are built to quickly tapped into the system power, and are more matured ahead of Xbox. 1+1 = 2 for Sony atm
This plays a big difference at the start of the generation, but the tendency is SeX performance improving with each year (and now Microsoft has plenty of First Party devs to show it's potential).
However like I already commented, Microsoft focused on other things and are already delivering much more, not for the devs, but for the users. They have a lot of "quality of life" advantages now that the PS5 is missing, like that fast switch with resume, working right with TVs and ensuring fluid refresh rates no matter the actual framerate with VRR, the "Smart Delivery" is looking like it'll really make that SDD store more games, and probably a few other things.
The match is very even now, each platform have it's advantages that are deal makers for consumers.
Actually, there is.
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Majima Everywhere System
Member
Is there butts in the playstation version? I thought not, chumps.
alucard0712_rus
Member
Wow! So XBOX need to optimize games for 2 SCUs and that almost compensate more power. Also PS5 SSD nowhere near as double the performance ether.
Entroyp
Member
Xsx wins in all modes ? I m sorry what ?
Gameplay:
Who would have thought the PS5 would be the better version.
Stuart360
Member
The normal mode is better on XSX
The RT performance mode is better on XSX
The RT quality mode is better on XSX
The high framerate mode is better on PS5.
The high framerate mode will be the least used mode by far due to the need of 120hz tv.
Thats the simple facts.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Nope, because if you watch the video you’ll see that in 4K mode the Series X often has a significantly higher frame rate than it does in “high frame rate mode”.
Literally the only conclusion is the devs fucked up. How can it run significantly worse at a lower resolution?
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DonkeyKong
Member
So that's 1-0 to xbox 
Seriously though, this it not a great port, its all over the place on both systems, defiantly needs a few patches
Seriously though, this it not a great port, its all over the place on both systems, defiantly needs a few patches
Andodalf
Banned
It doesn’t tell the story. In the article they say that both console average about 100 FPS in hfr mode, but when you see how that actually manifests as huge dips for XSX, the average clearly isn’t important
metareferential
Member
It’s an unusually bad comparison of a game no one should care about, because it’s just a port with ray-tracing tacked on. And Capcom is really bad at optimizing games.
Stuart360
Member
Aaaaaaand back to Valhalla for me lol.
Enjoy guys.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Their comments:
High Frame-Rate Mode: This mode retains a 3840x2160 target resolution, but achieves it using image reconstruction techniques - effectively smart upscaling from a smaller native resolution. In fairness, Capcom's solution here is excellent and the increase to frame-rate is substantial. Across a range of content tested in this mode, both consoles delivered a 100fps average. However, the average does not tell the real story. Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent than Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.
High Frame-Rate Mode: This mode retains a 3840x2160 target resolution, but achieves it using image reconstruction techniques - effectively smart upscaling from a smaller native resolution. In fairness, Capcom's solution here is excellent and the increase to frame-rate is substantial. Across a range of content tested in this mode, both consoles delivered a 100fps average. However, the average does not tell the real story. Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent than Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.
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Dodkrake
Banned
Normal mode is better on Xbox
High frame rate mode is better on PS5
RT Performance mode is better on Xbox with a very slight advantage
RT quality mode is better on Xbox with a very slight advantage
Poorly optimized game overall considering what it is, and was likely a quick optimization / port for both consoles. Cannot infer if this confirms a substantial power difference because the game is such a shitshow performance wise
High frame rate mode is better on PS5
RT Performance mode is better on Xbox with a very slight advantage
RT quality mode is better on Xbox with a very slight advantage
Poorly optimized game overall considering what it is, and was likely a quick optimization / port for both consoles. Cannot infer if this confirms a substantial power difference because the game is such a shitshow performance wise
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Which cannot be done on PS5 for some reason.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
If the PS5 GPU really doesn't have a bit of that extra "Infinite Cache", then yes, as times goes on the SeX will show it's performance advantage.
It's there, but takes effort to extract.
Sony really needs to fix the situation with the refresh modes and lack of VRR because it'll be embarrassing latter on.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
after watching this is my thoughts too. their engine isn't utilizing the new tech as much and probably just brute-forcing everything at this point. good catch sir
nowhat
Member
No, but there are plenty of ifs.
itsnotme
Member
I can't wait to play my cut scenes guys!
MrFunSocks
Banned
It’s not faulty APIs lol. It’s bad dev work.
Since so many people don’t seem to have watched the video - at native 4K in graphics mode the Series X often has a higher frame rate than in the so called “high frame rate mode”. It’s also significantly higher than the PS5s frame rate in native 4K mode, frequently 20fps+ higher.
Literally the only explanation is the devs have massively stuffed up. How can the frame rate in the lower resolution “high frame rate mode” be lower than it is at native 4K graphics mode?
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Andodalf
Banned
Yeah, it looks like it.
Both consoles drop in the fog, they can’t get perfect like for like footage, the ps5 drops a bit harder but it’s fairly consistent with the rest of the game
Agnostic2020
Member
Yea so weird to compare cutscene fps where frames doesn't mean anything at all
BootsLoader
Banned
Aaahhhhhh the wars begin at last. Common guys....common!!!!
nowhat
Member
I too like Sony first-party games!
(no seriously I do, but that joke just wrote itself)
alucard0712_rus
Member
High frame-rate mode will probably played same as cutscenes.
MrFunSocks
Banned
In normal mode the ps5 runs significantly worse.
Entroyp
Member
Damn. PS5 with the best version of a multiplat right out of the gate.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Oh, by the way, don't forget to make plenty of "need more power" memes with the SeX.
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