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[thelastword]

"All of the game logic created for Jaguar CPUs works properly on Zen 2 CPUs, but the timing of execution of instructions can be substantially different," Mark Cerny tells us. "We worked to AMD to customise our particular Zen 2 cores; they have modes in which they can more closely approximate Jaguar timing. We're keeping that in our back pocket, so to speak, as we proceed with the backwards compatibility work."

Ps5 BC mode is not using full power of zen2 cpu, it's using the Jaguar mode for compatibility reason, but Xbox's BC mode is using full power of zen 2 cpu, remember Microsoft said all their BC games will used full power of CPU and GPU of series x. That's one of the reason for slower loading on ps5 for BC games. Nothing to do with I/O. New gen games like Spider-Man MM built from the ground up for PS5 load less than 2 secs.

Edit: Ps5 maybe update it's BC mode via firmware update to take full advantage of the hardware, so it may improve the performance.

Absolutely, it's probably why so many PS4 games were patched to load faster too. Funny enough, the rhetoric before BC was shown was that XBOX would use the full power of the box, now that they've seen BC on XBOX is not hitting the framerates consistently, they have withdrawn that statement and said. it's not using the full power without explaining why that is.......

Comparing the execution and the loads of the respective BCs to draw a conclusion about the comparative power or speed of these consoles does not make much sense and is a capital error.

On the other hand, that XSX loads some previous generation multiplatform games before due to certain differences between the different BC systems used on each platform does not mean that this will be the same for nextgen games, which is what these consoles were really created for.

At this point, I'll take better framerates in my BC games everytime......Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, FF15, Hitman, Knack, pretty much everything is a locked 60fps.. And the games which are patched benefit from the SSD massively, even Tsushima has improved loadtimes, can you believe.....So I can only imagine BC getting better from here, but at this point if you want to play old games, the majority of last gen games were better on PS4 till late 2017, so that's alot of games with better resolutions and framerates on PS5 through BC at 1080p vs 900p and even 720P on XBOX. Even when XBONEX launched and up to this day, PRO has led on most titles relative to performance, so it's not strange to see that PS5 BC is at pole position relative to framerates....and in many cases resolution too.....

 

[realcool]

How tempted are you to just go there and try to infiltrate somehow lol

I thought about it...

 

[TrippleA345]

Series X Teardown on Twitch

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

That blueisviolet dude got really hurt after James Stevenson replied to him, he's been trying to prove for hours how good the RT of Watch Dogs Legion is, seems he went nuts.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

I mean, if Sony had something special hardware wise, why wouldn't they talk about it?
Wouldn't they promote it somehow?

I have no doubts that there is a Geometry Engine. But why wouldn't Sony tell people about how good it is?

The same reason sony did not shout from the roofs that their bc mode is in a number of ways better than the competition. Sony does not feel the urge to shout out all the time while masking their weaknesses. They just deliver

 

[geordiemp]

I mean, if Sony had something special hardware wise, why wouldn't they talk about it?
Wouldn't they promote it somehow?

I have no doubts that there is a Geometry Engine. But why wouldn't Sony tell people about how good it is?

Sony have talked about it briefly, custom cache scrubbers and cache coherency / cache optimisation.

Its all about the caches.

 

[Godfavor]

The same reason sony did not shout from the roofs that their bc mode is in a number of ways better than the competition. Sony does not feel the urge to shout out all the time while masking their weaknesses. They just deliver

They would not shout for better BC frame rates as most titles run at a way lower rez. Apple to oranges comparison

 

[Yoboman]

I mean, if Sony had something special hardware wise, why wouldn't they talk about it?
Wouldn't they promote it somehow?

I have no doubts that there is a Geometry Engine. But why wouldn't Sony tell people about how good it is?

Because going so deep into console hardware design is not the norm for a marketing strategy, MS with Series X are the outlier. Which is a good thing for us hardcore gamers, but normally base specs and a few details is all we get.

We would probably know even less about PS5s internals if Road to PS5 had just been a GDC panel like initially planned, and even with that probably only a handful of people who watched it fully understood it.

 

[TrebleShot]

They seem to be hitting a wall right now, whether it's their engines or just being cross gen

But their cross gen games to start this gen weren't exactly big lookers. I'm sure they'll catch up in a year or two but they really should be nobody's benchmark right now

Yeah I agree, can't really judge Ubi or their capabilities until they can focus on the new gen solely and lets be honest that won't be for another 2 or so years.

Outside of that base level for what some of their titles do, huge open words, overly packed with repetitive activities I do actually think titles like Odyssey and Origins look good so I'm sure Valhalla will be decent and have nice moments.

What I will say is I hope at some point they focus on the new gen solely along with PC to push things along. I don't think well see any huge strides until maybe 3-4 years time taking COVID into account and their technical improvement backlog.

 

[Great Hair]

 

[SSfox]

I mean, if Sony had something special hardware wise, why wouldn't they talk about it?
Wouldn't they promote it somehow?

I have no doubts that there is a Geometry Engine. But why wouldn't Sony tell people about how good it is?

Most people won't get it anyway, see what happen in March when Mark Cerny talked specs in deep way, journalists and a lot of others called it boring, it just shows it, even today a lot of people think ssd is gonna be useful only for loading times.

Guess Sony will just let games speak, not everyone can understand /or want to understand the technical stuff.

 

[saintjules]

 

[Moridianae]

So, it sounds to me like RT will be present, but not incredibly so. But it will still be impressive, especially as devs learn the hardware and new graphical engines come around.

The systems probably have a lot of potential untapped. Look at TLoU2, Ghosts, FFVIIR. Not until they hit shelves and I got the opportunity to plunk them into my system did I really buy they were true PS4 titles. I can say the same for Gears of War 5, though I don't own an Xbox.

If you're wanting the full graphical capabilities with new tech, best to go with PC(of course).

I feel that stronger RT capabilities, pure 4k@60 or even 4k@120 will be the buzzwords for the(imo) inevitable Pro or Elite versions of these new systems a few years down the line, depending how technology continues to advance over time.

 

[assurdum]

They would not shout for better BC frame rates as most titles run at a way lower rez. Apple to oranges comparison

Well to be fair most games as a way lower rez in backwards on series X (900p and 720p or even lower in some cases) but ps5 BC with better fps at 1440p is a"way lower Rez" (seriously?) and apple to oranges situation? Mmm.

 

[KingT731]

The charging station comes with an USB to USB cable or an AC plug?

It's an AC plug

 

[Gabbar Singh]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

 

[Gudji]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

Pre-order cancelled.

 

[HoofHearted]

interesting...aside from the various other limitations of the XSS - the fact that there is now a $300 entry level console in the market that can deliver RT is fairly impressive.

 

[Andodalf]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

I can’t imagine anybody would have a good enough bitrate on any streaming service to make 4K 60 worth it anyway

 

[geordiemp]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

Tell that to Microsoft and Sony, all streamed events were not 4K this year. Bandwidth is not capabale for such streaming = pointless.

ps5 records gameplay at 4k60, but if you cant steam it there is no point in that option.

 

[KingT731]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

And the thing is nobody is going to go over 1080/60 anyway because of the bandwidth required for 4K/60.

Edit:
Not to mention if you're going for quality that high you'd likely go with an external capture device anyway.

 

[Godfavor]

Well to be fair most games as a way lower rez in backwards on series X (900p and 720p or even lower in some cases) but ps5 BC with better fps at 1440p is a"way lower Rez" (seriously?) and apple to oranges situation? Mmm.

1440p to 4k in hitman it is, better performance on ps5 but more than 2 times lower rez. Thats apple to oranges.

Now you are comparing xbox one s BC settings to ps4 pro BC, thats way more apple to oranges.

 

[LucasBR]

Does anyone know if Sony/PlayStation warranty is international?

 

[assurdum]

1440p to 4k in hitman it is, better performance on ps5 but more than 2 times lower rez. Thats apple to oranges.

Now you are comparing xbox one s BC settings to ps4 pro BC, thats way more apple to oranges.

Who the point of 4k native if performance are unstable? How is it an apple to oranges situation. I don't get it. I mentioned the X one base setting because you said most of the games on ps5 on BC have better fps just because are a way lower resolution but it's factual false and the exact opposite.

 

[Mr Moose]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

Is it possible to stream 4K 60fps on Twitch? My £~150 capture card only does 1080p/60fps with 4k/60fps passthrough

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

"All of the game logic created for Jaguar CPUs works properly on Zen 2 CPUs, but the timing of execution of instructions can be substantially different," Mark Cerny tells us. "We worked to AMD to customise our particular Zen 2 cores; they have modes in which they can more closely approximate Jaguar timing. We're keeping that in our back pocket, so to speak, as we proceed with the backwards compatibility work."

Ps5 BC mode is not using full power of zen2 cpu, it's using the Jaguar mode for compatibility reason, but Xbox's BC mode is using full power of zen 2 cpu, remember Microsoft said all their BC games will used full power of CPU and GPU of series x. That's one of the reason for slower loading on ps5 for BC games. Nothing to do with I/O. New gen games like Spider-Man MM built from the ground up for PS5 load less than 2 secs.

Edit: Ps5 maybe update it's BC mode via firmware update to take full advantage of the hardware, so it may improve the performance.

This hypothesis can be easily disproven by looking at the sheer number of 60fps BC games on PS5 that are straight up BC with no PS5 patches applied by the dev.

The issues with PS5 BC game loading probably has more to do with the games being hard-coded for the PS4's HDD storage transfer speeds.

 

[Godfavor]

It's not an apple to oranges if you prefer perfomance. If native resolution Vs better perfomance it was an apple to oranges situation, DLSS won't be a thing.

And neither would be vrr that series x supports, that will make the frame drops unnoticeable

 

[assurdum]

And neither would be vrr that series x supports, that will make the frame drops unnoticeable

Nonsense.

 

[Razzy-]

Is it possible to stream 4K 60fps on Twitch? My £~150 capture card only does 1080p/60fps with 4k/60fps passthrough

No. Twitch is only up to 1080p60. Only Youtube supports 4k60 streaming.

 

[Duchess]

It's sounding more and more like Sony is throttling the PS5's BC somewhere along the line, to ensure maximum compatibility. Maybe we'll see something like the PS2's PS1 options where you could optionally speed up the disk read speed?

 

[user1337]

Doom theme and the haptics on dualsense

 

[Sethbacca]

Does anyone know if Sony/PlayStation warranty is international?

no clue but it’s worth pointing out that they usually offer extended warranty through the ps store as well with a discount if you have plus.

 

[user1337]

Does anyone know if Sony/PlayStation warranty is international?

Usually warranty is only for the country the item was bought in.

 

[LiquidRex]

 

[FrankWza]

I just spent some time testing out the Pulse headset against my Sennheiser HD650 reference headphones. For those who aren’t familiar with headphones, this is a $500 set vs the $100 Pulse.

As expected, the Sennheisers have a bit more clarity across the entire frequency spectrum, but the Pulse impressively holds up in this comparison. They have a bit more bottom end, but it’s not boomy. It’s a very punchy and pleasant to listen to low end to everything. There is a very nice top end clarity (the Sennheisers win here), and the mids don’t seem scooped like most headphones like Beats for example. The soundstage seems to be pretty good too. Not as good as open back headphones like the HD650, but it’s still good. I’m really excited to hear this in the 3D audio aspect, because I’d happily use these to listen to music. If you’re looking to get a new pair of headphones, I’d definitely recommend them, especially for $100.

Also forgot to add this, but they are very comfy too. Some headphones give me a headache because I wear glasses and play games, but I actually forgot I was even wearing anything for a minute. No signs of fatigue or headaches after wearing these for a while.

I agree. My comparisons for the Pulse were the Sony MDR 7506 and the Sony WH1000 XM3.

I think the Pulse headset sounds very good and feels very good for the $100 price. Good gaming headset.

I like how they fit tight to block out outside noise. The range is very good too. Clear and crisp, yet not imbalanced.

And the one size fits all flexible headband design is actually pretty good, comfy.

Of course for more money there are better sounding headsets available, but for the price... the Pulse headset is a solid value.

punches above its weight.Really good soundstage for a closed back. Bass isn’t overbearing which is what you want for positioning. Comfort may vary though. That goggle strapcan be annoying

 

[GoPats1]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

The biggest livestreaming platform in the world doesn't even support 4k streaming, and probably never will. Who cares?

 

[TrebleShot]

The biggest livestreaming platform in the world doesn't even support 4k streaming, and probably never will. Who cares?

So true , but also:

It probably will one day and the PS5 will likely also do it one day.

Feels like these console warriors are so much worse than they used to be in the PS4 / XBO gen. Everyone knows consoles usually launch with some features missing or coming in updates.

So many people looking for tiny little scraps to say their favourite plastic box is better.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Disappointing at the lack of 1080p60fps ray tracing option in legion for consoles.

 

[reksveks]

Random question, how long is the file for a 1 hour PS5 recording? and is that space already reserved if you have chosen it as the default recording length? maybe i am getting the idea of how it works wrong.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Tell that to Microsoft and Sony, all streamed events were not 4K this year. Bandwidth is not capabale for such streaming = pointless.

ps5 records gameplay at 4k60, but if you cant steam it there is no point in that option.

geordie when and where was it confirmed that ps5 captures 4K at 60fps? For all we know it’s 4K picture and video capture. There’s no info on frame rate right?

 

[Bojanglez]

Random question, how long is the file for a 1 hour PS5 recording? and is that space already reserved if you have chosen it as the default recording length? maybe i am getting the idea of how it works wrong.

I think in one of the UI reviews, I saw someone say a 40min clip using webm took up about 5GB. So an hour would be about 7.5GB on that basis.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I NEED A WIN!!

I NEED A WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!

 

[inflation]

I think in one of the UI reviews, I saw someone say a 40min clip using webm took up about 5GB. So an hour would be about 7.5GB on that basis.

Hmm... WebM, interesting choice, wondering which codec it‘s actually using. I saw HEVC hardware encoding capability in XSX‘s HotChip slides. That’s a better codec IMO

 

[mejin]

I NEED A WIN!!

I NEED A WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!

 

[PSX]

 

[geordiemp]

geordie when and where was it confirmed that ps5 captures 4K at 60fps? For all we know it’s 4K picture and video capture. There’s no info on frame rate right?

Not great details but I also read elsewhere, but I did not pay particular attention as I dont stream or record so...

How to Capture and Record Video on Your PS5 - PlayStation 5 Guide - IGN

This page contains information about capturing and recording video footage using the PlayStation 5 device. This can be done in a variety of ways, including

www.ign.com

 

[PSX]

 

[sircaw]

You cannot stream games 4K 60FPS on PS5...

This is beyond fucking sad, this is what xbox zealot fans are trying to make a win now. I saw another thread about 200 watts earlier and how Microsft went a few above that, someone was trying to declare that a win for Microsoft haha.

Ps5 have their ssd soldered on to there board Microsoft don't, its a win for Microsoft
Sony does not have quick resume like Microsoft, the generation is over.

Seriously, this is some of the most desperate and pathetic shit i have ever seen haha.

This is what it has come down too,

 

[SSfox]

Disappointing at the lack of 1080p60fps ray tracing option in legion for consoles.

This. I wish all games would have that feature, I don't care about 4k give me the 60 fps X RT combo.

 

[EliteClarity]

I've somehow missed that Days Gone was on the PS Collection. Happy days, thought I was gonna have to buy it. It looks beautiful.