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FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

The release date of the football simulator on Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 was announced on the official Twitter of the franchise. The developers promised improved animation, lighting, effects and player AI, as well as the use of the DualSense gamepad features on the PS5, but the gameplay...

nintendosmash.com

 

[MasterCornholio]

See, this is the type of thing that XBox needs to respond to... quickly.

We've seen nothing this fast loading from them, and they've just spent the past couple of weeks talking all about fast XsX loading times on last gen games. None of which were as fast as this next gen game (albeit a short one, mainly designed to showcase the DualSense). These kinds of comparisons start to stick.

What I find curious about this loading time debate is that Sony patched several games to have much better loading times. Some of those games load similarly to some of the games on the XSX with their BC games. I wonder how next gen games on the PS5 will compare to XSX games where loading is concerned.

 

[sircaw]

I have been to many NBA games and honestly for a regular season game the crowds are usually quite laid back especially early on in the actual game.

Bonus pic of when Lebron came to play my Pacers a couple of seasons ago.

Is that real life Ray tracing i see there?

 

[Dodkrake]

See, this is the type of thing that XBox needs to respond to... quickly.

We've seen nothing this fast loading from them, and they've just spent the past couple of weeks talking all about fast XsX loading times on last gen games. None of which were as fast as this next gen game (albeit a short one, mainly designed to showcase the DualSense). These kinds of comparisons start to stick.

They can't. What they've shown so far is that their SSD tech is not even remotely comparable. That's ok, the Problem with Xbox is that they have been more concerned about dicking around than actually showing why their platform is best.

 

[hemo memo]

Which Sony good news they posted in the last days?

Spiderman MM video off the top of my head. So put your conspiracy hat down.

 

[sircaw]

What I find curious about this loading time debate is that Sony patched several games to have much better loading times. Some of those games load similarly to some of the games on the XSX with their BC games. I wonder how next gen games on the PS5 will compare to XSX games where loading is concerned.

I think this is what a lot of us are waiting for.

It's one of the big deals for me.

We have already seen games like Tlou a few days ago load so fast and that was just on the ps4, that's gonna be 1 second on ps5 surely.

 

[LucidFlux]

I honestly don't think I've ever been so excited just for a new controller, maybe N64 or Gamecube? I was certainly intrigued with the idea of haptics and adaptive triggers before but all these initial impressions are pushing my hype levels above and beyond.

To be able to feel the crackle of Miles electric powers coursing across the controller from one hand to the other or the subtle differences you'll feel between firing different types of weapons now completely in sync with the different sounds they make. Plasma type guns could have a smooth pulsing sensation vs a gatling gun where you feel the sharp distinct ping of each round. Every footstep feeling different depending on the surface you're walking over, the feeling of rain drops gently dropping onto and sliding off the controller.

While I have no doubt first party games will fully embrace it, I only hope the time is put in by 3rd parties to fully utilize it as well.

We've been gaming all this time while almost entirely missing the feedback of one of our primary senses. Traditional rumble was novel, HD rumble on Switch opened my eyes to the possibilities but this feels like the full realization of incorporating touch into gaming.

This extra sensation will enable another layer of depth and immersion to games I think a lot of people are either overlooking, downplaying or just not realizing the practical implications of.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

There are over 2.5 billion people in the world who play video games. That’s 35 percent of the human population. 35 percent of 150 million prime subscribers is over 50 million people. And that’s just Prime subscribers. Amazon can and will advertise at everyone with an Amazon account who has purchased video game stuff from them. That probably includes you.

Please stop bringing Google up. They were a completely different proposition, with a far weaker cloud base, and far less integration and expertise in direct customer selling.

Clarification: I’m not necessarily happy about any of this, but it’s a bit foolish to stick my head in the sand and pretend things are never going to change. Amazon are going to cause a lot of changes in video gaming. Some good, some bad.

Nah, my wife who opened candy crash for two mintues and closed it is counted in this 2.5 billion. That number is nor realistic at all. It basically counts anyone with smart phone who opened a gaming app including these who open gaming apps for their children.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I know the load times are extremely impressive but the IQ is extremely clean as well. And the reflections look good and the floor has some pretty nice texturing to it.

 

[Dibils2k]

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

The release date of the football simulator on Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 was announced on the official Twitter of the franchise. The developers promised improved animation, lighting, effects and player AI, as well as the use of the DualSense gamepad features on the PS5, but the gameplay...

nintendosmash.com

ITS NOT DAY ONE!?!?!?! WTF!

they better shock us with how much they have improved things!

 

[MasterCornholio]

I think this is what a lot of us are waiting for.

It's one of the big deals for me.

We have already seen games like Tlou a few days ago load so fast and that was just on the ps4, that's gonna be 1 second on ps5 surely.

I don't think 10-15 load times are bad but something like 2 seconds would be just amazing to have. What I'm most excited about the reduction of load times is the improvement to the flow of the game. Like I really hated the long loads after dying in games like Bloodborne for example. I'm happy we don't have to deal with that anymore.

 

[WelshBluebird]

This came way too late in the gen and still needs a cable.
In the meantime Sony released a wireless adapter to use with PSNOW on PC, but that thing is extremely expensive and doesn´t work well in a lot of cases, no comparison to the plug&play of the xbox controller.

For a lot of 3rd person games I switch my PC`s output to the TV and play on the couch wireless with a controller and you can pretty much forget that with the DS4 in most cases.
Driver/hardware support for Sony`s controllers on PC still sucks.

To be fair I have the wireless adapter due to remote play and haven't had an issue with it - though granted it was expensive and I don't know if it's even still available.
But I am pretty sure I've read that Steam supports it via standard bluetooth now, you just don't get audio passthrough to the 3.5mm jack.
Not going to argue the experience isn't better with the Xbox controller though (as reksveks points out - game devs are being lazy in their support of the DualShock too), but if you already have a DS4 and want to use it, you can!

The games still effectively expect a Xbox controller though.

So game devs being lazy with controller support then?

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

I have been to many NBA games and honestly for a regular season game the crowds are usually quite laid back especially early on in the actual game.

Bonus pic of when Lebron came to play my Pacers a couple of seasons ago.

I've got to play blackjack and poker then hit the clubs with some now former NBA players such as:

Baron Davis
Jermaine O'Neal
Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin
Mike Miller
Shane Battier

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I have been to many NBA games and honestly for a regular season game the crowds are usually quite laid back especially early on in the actual game.

Bonus pic of when Lebron came to play my Pacers a couple of seasons ago.

Great pic! That Pacers team with Paul George really gave the Cavs/Lebron a lot of trouble!

 

[MasterCornholio]

So game devs being lazy with controller support then?

I game alot on PC with a controller and I have both an X1 controller and a DS4. With some games it's really easy to use the DS4 controller and the correct button prompts appear. With others I have to configure the settings for the DS4 and I get Xbox button prompts throughout the game. I usually use my Xbox controller because sometimes it's pretty awkward using the DS4 with some PC games.

 

[Zathalus]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Great pic! That Pacers team with Paul George really gave the Cavs/Lebron a lot of trouble!

That Pacer team was so close to being really good.

 

[WelshBluebird]

ITS NOT DAY ONE!?!?!?! WTF!

they better shock us with how much they have improved things!

Wow as if my feelings for FIFA 21 couldn't get any worse.
I am normally one of the yearly day one suckers. Hell I am normally one of the buy on multiple device suckers (last year on PS4 and Switch).
But this year they have really messed up.
The Switch has been cast aside (I thought maybe, just maybe, with the Switch being as big as it is they wouldn't do it this time, but nope!) and they can't even get the next gen version out at launch with the consoles.
They've tarnished it so much even someone like me is considering missing this year.

 

[EliteClarity]

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

The release date of the football simulator on Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 was announced on the official Twitter of the franchise. The developers promised improved animation, lighting, effects and player AI, as well as the use of the DualSense gamepad features on the PS5, but the gameplay...

nintendosmash.com

Arse.

 

[itsnotme]

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

FIFA 21 will be released on the PS5 and Xbox Series on December 4

The release date of the football simulator on Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 was announced on the official Twitter of the franchise. The developers promised improved animation, lighting, effects and player AI, as well as the use of the DualSense gamepad features on the PS5, but the gameplay...

nintendosmash.com

This really annoyed me because I was hoping it went down in price so I could buy it, I guess I'm going to have to buy it at full price around that time, don't know why it isn't a day 1 update but at least I get to spend more time with Spiderman and Cyberpunk until then

 

[MasterCornholio]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

I'm not counting 8 seconds though from the moment he selects start to when the assets are loaded.

3-4 seconds is what I'm counting.

but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

Well to be fair we haven't seen the game running on the XSX so we have to indication of load times for that platform.

 

[sircaw]

I don't think 10-15 load times are bad but something like 2 seconds would be just amazing to have. What I'm most excited about the reduction of load times is the improvement to the flow of the game. Like I really hated the long loads after dying in games like Bloodborne for example. I'm happy we don't have to deal with that anymore.

i think we need to temper expectations a bit, i have said this before but i will use Red dead redemption 2 as an example.

When i saw it load on the new xbox and saw 40+ seconds, i was really not happy, that way to fucking slow.

All the media outlets were all over the moon by it, maybe i am missing something but i really expected them to be low 10 sec range

If ps5 has load times anywhere near that i am not going to be happy,

but on reflection, am i expecting way to much when the new xbox is 40+ and i am wanting 10. it might be so.

 

[geordiemp]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

What was loading and what was pregame cinematics.

Do you know ? Please think before you type man

Whatever

 

[jose4gg]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

When did you start and ended counting? the first part where the user cannot move players is real-time, and currently is not possible without the game loads.

The loading goes from 0:10 to 0:12

 

[Phrixotrichus]

To be fair I have the wireless adapter due to remote play and haven't had an issue with it - though granted it was expensive and I don't know if it's even still available.

It is. 100+$

But I am pretty sure I've read that Steam supports it via standard bluetooth now, you just don't get audio passthrough to the 3.5mm jack.
Not going to argue the experience isn't better with the Xbox controller though (as reksveks points out - game devs are being lazy in their support of the DualShock too), but if you already have a DS4 and want to use it, you can!

I never found a 3rd party bluetooth adapter that worked even remotely well with the DS4. They either lagged or had terrible range. I gave up ~3 years ago.
Anything but 100% plug&play is not really feasible for a trivial controller imho.

 

[ethomaz]

Spiderman MM video off the top of my head. So put your conspiracy hat down.

So nothing new with more Miles whatever Morales salty.
There are working on more Gears 5 BC videos lol

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I'm mixed on this. I hate these unplayable camera angles, because you really can't work a good spread offense from that angle. I need to see the full perimeter, to kickout for the corner 3. The new shot meter might be an improvement. It's more visible, for sure. How it feels will take hands-on.

Visually, the lighting is improved, but I imagine from the camera angle I normally use, I might not see much of an improvement over NBA2k20. Not in the current state of this demo. Replays will look better though. I still see some framerate issues. Hopefully they get those sorted out. It's an improvement for sure. I'm almost certainly going to buy it, but I feel like we're going to see the visuals take a significant leap forward for 2k22, forcing me to upgrade again. Then again, COVID has thrown the season into such disarray, that I don't even know if there'll be a 2k22. They can't do an entire season in the Orlando bubble.

Thankfully, there should still be downloadable rosters, so taking a wait and see approach makes a lot of sense. I was originally planning on a 2 year upgrade cycle for the game.

EDIT: Oh yeah, no ads visible. That's great news.

 

[sircaw]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

did you just die on a hill?

 

[MasterCornholio]

i think we need to temper expectations a bit, i have said this before but i will use Red dead redemption 2 as an example.

When i saw it load on the new xbox and saw 40+ seconds, i was really not happy, that way to fucking slow.

All the media outlets were all over the moon by it, maybe i am missing something but i really expected them to be low 10 sec range

If ps5 has load times anywhere near that i am not going to be happy,

but on reflection, am i expecting way to much when the new xbox is 40+ and i am wanting 10. it might be so.

That's RDR running through BC so it's not taking full advantage of the VA. I'll also keep this in mind when I see the game running on the PS5. The results should be alot different for games designed for these I/O systems.

 

[Dajjall]

Im feeling like we are heading towards to definitive end of this thread, but I dont want to leave, gentlemen!

 

[FunkMiller]

Nah, my wife who opened candy crash for two mintues and closed it is counted in this 2.5 billion. That number is nor realistic at all. It basically counts anyone with smart phone who opened a gaming app including these who open gaming apps for their children.

That's not much of a compelling argument, chief. Anecdotal evidence rarely is. The fact of the matter is that gaming is a very, very widespread activity across the globe, and Amazon have better access to those gamers than any other company. When you're the second largest retailer on earth, and easily the largest seller of technology and electronics, your knowledge of people's buying habits is bound to put you in the pound seats for any new consumer technology.

This is why Microsoft are trying to consolidate their position with the Zenimax buy out, and moving away from a hardware focus. They know what's coming over the hill.

 

[reksveks]

So game devs being lazy with controller support then?

Kinda but I am not sure i would call it lazy. It's a chicken and egg situation with no really financial value in supporting another controller.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

I'm not sure you've ever played a 2k game before. That was about 3 seconds from the uniform screen, to the wide shot. I'm not sure if you can exit back out to the team select screen, once you've selected Ready. Not sure when he pressed Start Game either, as you can rapid click through those in the current game, and it should start the load screen at that point, which is the Play Now screen. If there was any loading at the uniform select screen, they should have a loading meter, or something else to visually notify the player that they can no longer input anything on the screen.

Basically, from a UI perspective, it would be confusing for users to have loading start while menus are still visible, with no other indicator that loading is happening. So I'm lead to believe that the moment the uniform screen exits, and the Play Now screen starts is the loading, which falls in line with the 2 seconds claim made previously. It's 2-3 seconds. They can always hide a certain amount of loading behind the wide arena shot, although the simplest LOD models would have been loaded in by then, so that they can show the arena with a populated court.

 

[reksveks]

i think we need to temper expectations a bit, i have said this before but i will use Red dead redemption 2 as an example.

When i saw it load on the new xbox and saw 40+ seconds, i was really not happy, that way to fucking slow.

All the media outlets were all over the moon by it, maybe i am missing something but i really expected them to be low 10 sec range

If ps5 has load times anywhere near that i am not going to be happy,

but on reflection, am i expecting way to much when the new xbox is 40+ and i am wanting 10. it might be so.

I am expecting a delta similar to the raw hardware difference honestly.

 

[RogueHALLINAN]

PS5 Yellow/orange Lights look cool as fuck

No hiding it it does look huge and all i can think about all them in this photo is dust management

 

[saintjules]

thicc

 

[saintjules]

PS5 Yellow/orange Lights look cool as fuck

No hiding it it does look huge and all i can think about all them in this photo is dust management

At first glance it reminds me of the Daft Punk Gold Helmet

 

[MasterCornholio]

At first glance it reminds me of the Daft Punk Gold Helmet

Kind of reminds me of Zero.

 

[geordiemp]

thicc

Well we are geiing allot of intelligent input from one quarter today we have noticed....

Hopefully its not infectious.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Last bit on NBA2K gameplay footage. They're definitely not using SSR, as no reflections get obscured. I hesitate to say they're using RT, because I think you can probably get clever with alpha models at these fixed camera angles, but everything on the court does reflect properly, and you can see the ball reflecting in the backboard. I have no reason to doubt they're using RT, but given that the camera placement allows you certain luxuries in sports games, I can't say for certain. They certainly didn't mention it in the video, and it's a popular buzzword that everyone wants to throw around. No reason for them not to mention it.

 

[GreyHand23]

i am not a basketball fan, more of a basket case

Saying that, i think the court looks nice and it seems very smooth, HOWEVER, i don't like the back crowd in the stand, they seem very subdued. when the ball goes in the net i expect people to kinda cheer and stand up or something more than they are doing. Mind you i have never even watched a basketball game in my life so maybe that's normal, it just feels a bit off to me.

It’s situational. People cheer more for good plays or in high stakes moments. Also people don’t cheer for the away team usually or at the beginning of the game.

 

[thelastword]

These guys are especially praised by critics.

But M1chl rushed to make the 16 minute Astro Bot 4k 60fps thread, just to say it doesn't look good. Who should I believe?

Based on one of the highest rated games from last gen, a game crowned GOTG by some outlets. A game with some of the cleanest and most pleasing visuals seen on a console with some of the best animations, level design and addictive gameplay, but it doesn't look good.......A game built for VR and was it's killer app, now serves as the instructional video to all devs in how to use the new Haptic controller with aplomb, but it does not look good......

I think Astro will do more for PS5's launch than most games. Everybody will be able to play it and see the vision for the console and it's controller. Just perfectly executed on Sony's part imo.......

 

[Zathalus]

I'm not counting 8 seconds though from the moment he selects start to when the assets are loaded.

3-4 seconds is what I'm counting.

Well to be fair we haven't seen the game running on the XSX so we have to indication of load times for that platform.

What was loading and what was pregame cinematics.

Do you know ? Please think before you type man

Whatever

When did you start and ended counting? the first part where the user cannot move players is real-time, and currently is not possible without the game loads.

The loading goes from 0:10 to 0:12

did you just die on a hill?

I'm not sure you've ever played a 2k game before. That was about 3 seconds from the uniform screen, to the wide shot. I'm not sure if you can exit back out to the team select screen, once you've selected Ready. Not sure when he pressed Start Game either, as you can rapid click through those in the current game, and it should start the load screen at that point, which is the Play Now screen. If there was any loading at the uniform select screen, they should have a loading meter, or something else to visually notify the player that they can no longer input anything on the screen.

Basically, from a UI perspective, it would be confusing for users to have loading start while menus are still visible, with no other indicator that loading is happening. So I'm lead to believe that the moment the uniform screen exits, and the Play Now screen starts is the loading, which falls in line with the 2 seconds claim made previously. It's 2-3 seconds. They can always hide a certain amount of loading behind the wide arena shot, although the simplest LOD models would have been loaded in by then, so that they can show the arena with a populated court.

My bad, I was looking at the Start Menu icon in the bottom left. If its just from the animation to in game, then 2/3 seconds is about right. Before anyone get any further riled up, I fully expect the Series X/S to have worse loading times in the same game obviously.

 

[Garani]

Is that real life Ray tracing i see there?

I see SSR on the shoulder. That's not RT!

 

[Thirty7ven]

 

[geordiemp]

Last bit on NBA2K gameplay footage. They're definitely not using SSR, as no reflections get obscured. I hesitate to say they're using RT, because I think you can probably get clever with alpha models at these fixed camera angles, but everything on the court does reflect properly, and you can see the ball reflecting in the backboard. I have no reason to doubt they're using RT, but given that the camera placement allows you certain luxuries in sports games, I can't say for certain. They certainly didn't mention it in the video, and it's a popular buzzword that everyone wants to throw around. No reason for them not to mention it.

It would be hard to do SSR with so many players and shadow overlapping, we would see lots of strange things,.

 

[demigod]

Gahhh, why is she sliding the PS5 like that.

 

[Dodkrake]

So much for that 2 seconds loading I guess, that was 8 seconds? Still massively impressive compared to last gen of course, but not the huge discrepancy some were expecting over the Series X/S.

That was 2 seconds or less. Bill O'Rights doesn't this by your standards constitute fake news?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

My bad, I was looking at the Start Menu icon in the bottom left. If its just from the animation to in game, then 2/3 seconds is about right. Before anyone get any further riled up, I fully expect the Series X/S to have worse loading times in the same game obviously.

No sweat, dude. The dev was talking over any audible game sounds, so we could all be wrong anyway. But based on the current game, and how UIs are generally designed, it leads me to believe that the loading starts at Play Now.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That one looks great in my opinion.