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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Bo_Hazem

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DrDamn said:
Oi Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem NO! I love me some turn based. Better than trying to control 4 characters effectively in real-time 😛
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Laggy reflexes, I guess. :messenger_winking_tongue: Nothing beats the joy of fighting through chaos in GOW at "Give me God of War" difficulty! So reliant on reflex speed!

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"Oi" you said, so you are from UK? :messenger_winking_tongue: Just don't be another Liverpool supporter.
 
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Zoro7 said:
With a price difference of only 100 dollars.
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What does that have to do with it? I get that if you want to compare everything of the XSS and PS5, then price is also part of it, but this was about the resolution of 1 game. I don't see how the price here is relevant, while the power of the GPU is.
 
ToadMan

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grfunkulus said:
Lol, except ps4 and ps4 pro crash to the xmb regularly for me too! I guess there's no videogame ass videogame consoles left besides withe Switch amirite?
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Really?

Thinking back over PS2, 3, 4 and 4 pro I think I can count the number of crashes - whether of games or the whole system - on one hand.

In fact, I’m gonna say I’ve had about 3 such crash incidents in about 15 years of gaming on those consoles.

Maybe you are tough on your equipment....
 
ToadMan

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Yoboman said:
At this point I really hope he is getting paid for this level of damage controlling, otherwise its just plain embarrassing

Im sure his next tweet will be about how much he hates Burger King anyway
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He is getting paid - he creates this kind of content and it attracts hits and therefore advertising revenue, from people who like that message.

He’s not necessarily paid directly by MS, but they sent him an Xsex to produce content and that content drives income.
 
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azertydu91

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ToadMan said:
Really?

Thinking back over PS2, 3, 4 and 4 pro I think I can count the number of crashes - whether of games or the whole system - on one hand.

In fact, I’m gonna say I’ve had about 3 such crash incidents in about 15 years of gaming on those consoles.

Maybe you are tough on your equipment....
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I have had a lot of crash on Ps4 though but I found out why a simple faulty external HDD.
Because, and that might surprise even the most tech knowledgeable people here ( geordiemp geordiemp try to follow I know it will be hard for you even with all that knowledge), when you unplug an external Hdd while playing a game stored on it the game crashes.

So I'm not the most knowledgeable people here but I guess not being able to access gamedata might be the reason.

Thank y'all for coming to my TEDTalk and see you next week for another one.
 
ToadMan

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azertydu91 said:
I have had a lot of crash on Ps4 though but I found out why a simple faulty external HDD.
Because, and that might surprise even the most tech knowledgeable people here ( geordiemp geordiemp try to follow I know it will be hard for you even with all that knowledge), when you unplug an external Hdd while playing a game stored on it the game crashes.

So I'm not the most knowledgeable people here but I guess not being able to access gamedata might be the reason.

Thank y'all for coming to my TEDTalk and see you next week for another one.
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hehe.

But yeah I can see that a hardware fault - even back in the days of ps2 a scratched or dirty disk would cause problems.

That’s what I mean by hard on the equipment - can’t really blame the console for that.

Although the guy who posted that then confessed he misrepresented the information in order to try and make a pint about how people shouldn’t misrepresent the information LOL.

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Ok, overstated for effect but
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Perhaps your next TEDtalk can be the psychology of cognitive dissonance during console launches.
 
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danielJackson

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grfunkulus said:
Lol, except ps4 and ps4 pro crash to the xmb regularly for me too! I guess there's no videogame ass videogame consoles left besides withe Switch amirite?
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If ps4 + pro have been crashing regularly, I would guess the reason to be:

a) faulty hardware, but it would be really bad luck to get 2 different systems that are faulty in the same way
b) faulty usb hard drive / device, that you used on ps4 + now on pro and it causes it
c) you play certain game on both system and that game crashes a lot
d) some kind of user error, like console is on tight space without room for air to move

My experience have been that those 2 ps4 and 2 pro units I had, crashed maybe total of 10-15 times in 7 years. And maybe half of those were certain game/games that werent really stable.

If xbox series x systems are crashing a lot, it could just be software bugs that havent been really fixed yet, I would guess that it is software bug crashes on 80-90% chance , and 10-20% chance that they fucked up the hardware somehow, or people overheat them by wrong install location
 
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azertydu91

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ToadMan said:
hehe.

But yeah I can see that a hardware fault - even back in the days of ps2 a scratched or dirty disk would cause problems.

That’s what I mean by hard on the equipment - can’t really blame the console for that.

Although the guy who posted that then confessed he misrepresented the information in order to try and make a pint about how people shouldn’t misrepresent the information LOL.



Perhaps your next TEDtalk can be the psychology of cognitive dissonance during console launches.
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You've seen how deeply technical my tedtalks can be.
But I'll try ....People biased tend to be stupid before next gen releases....
I hope I wasn't too long nor too technical thanks all for watching my tedtalk way before it's official release in theater ....wait we're quarantined ?
Then before its release date of never.
 
DrDamn

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Bo_Hazem said:
Laggy reflexes, I guess. :messenger_winking_tongue: Nothing beats the joy of fighting through chaos in GOW at "Give me God of War" difficulty! So reliant on reflex speed!
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I am that dog 🤣. Getting on a bit so can't keep up with the young uns. Point still stands though because you are controlling a party of 4 😁

"Oi" you said, so you are from UK? :messenger_winking_tongue: Just don't be another Liverpool supporter.
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YNWA ⚽🏆
 
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jimbojim said:
No one expected that XSS will have a 900p title that early.
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When the PS5 and XSX version is 1440p?

10.3 TF => 2560x1440 => 3,686,400 pixels

Using rule of three this results in:

4TF => 1,431,611 pixels ~ 900p

This is just basic math. If PS5 and XSX aren't able to deliver native 4K at 60fps, then the XSS isn't going to deliver 1440p at 60fps.
 
MrFunSocks

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azertydu91 said:
So it's aimed at 1440P/30fps Tv owners or people that don't want to fully enjoy their 1080p TVs ?Sure that seems like a good market, I guess?
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It’s aimed at 1080p tv owners or people that just want to play next gen games at a almost mass market price. Not hard to understand.

There are no 1440p TVs. 1440p will supersample down on a 1080p tv for an even better picture. Since 4K tv ownership is like 2% of the market, where even on this forum it’s the vast majority, a cheap 1080p console is a great idea.
 
xacto

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Bo_Hazem said:
Laggy reflexes, I guess. :messenger_winking_tongue: Nothing beats the joy of fighting through chaos in GOW at "Give me God of War" difficulty! So reliant on reflex speed!

tenor.gif


"Oi" you said, so you are from UK? :messenger_winking_tongue: Just don't be another Liverpool supporter.
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I am having a hard time trying to figure out which Yakuza game will be the first to try for me, but that turn-based one will definitely not be on the list.

But even a turn-based Yakuza game fights are way better than Minecraft, right?
 
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MrFunSocks said:
It’s aimed at 1080p tv owners or people that just want to play next gen games at a almost mass market price. Not hard to understand.

There are no 1440p TVs. 1440p will supersample down on a 1080p tv for an even better picture. Since 4K tv ownership is like 2% of the market, where even on this forum it’s the vast majority, a cheap 1080p console is a great idea.
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So you are happy with 900p for a next gen console?
And I know there's no 1440p TV which is why I find it stupid because if you use with a 1080p Tv you ever have to supersample which is wasting 1440p or play at 900p/60 which is wasting the 1080pTV
Or with a 4K tv where at best you get 1440p which is wasting the 4K of the TV.

But I would have understood the Series S way better if it was a 1080p machine plain and simple.No 900p no 1440p just 1080p.
Do you see where I'm getting now ?
It would've been a way better answer from Ms saying "Hey you have a 1080p Tv and don't plan on upgrading soon, There there's the Series S perfectly adapted for 1080p TV"

And avoid that "Well sometimes it'll go lower than 1080p and sometimes above"
 
J_Gamer.exe

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sncvsrtoip

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Orky said:
I think Dirt 5 is much more impressive, since its 120FPS, also looks amazing:

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Driveclub had a very low 30fps count. For a RACING GAME speed/ FPS is crucial. 120fps vs 30fps is a HUGE difference.
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I would say 60fps is crucial for sim/simcade games, 30fps for rather arcade Driveclub wasn't that bad and graphic during rain is still topnotch
 
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ToadMan

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J_Gamer.exe

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ToadMan said:
It’s just different game modes if you go watch a few vids.

That mode in the clip is a one car closed gymkhana arena.

The longer loading times are for loading the full tracks and opponents.
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Ahh ok. Just seen what it was and it was loading the 4k image quality mode on the 15 seconds video with loads of cars and a big track.

So as well as different games modes is it possibly also on lower res modes that load much lower assets for the higher framerates?
 
kyliethicc

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MrFunSocks said:
It’s aimed at 1080p tv owners or people that just want to play next gen games at a almost mass market price. Not hard to understand.

There are no 1440p TVs. 1440p will supersample down on a 1080p tv for an even better picture. Since 4K tv ownership is like 2% of the market, where even on this forum it’s the vast majority, a cheap 1080p console is a great idea.
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4K TVs are way more than 2% market share lol, and plenty of 4K TVs also support 1440p resolution natively.
 
yurinka

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Hix said:
Like a Dragon will be exactly the same on PS5 as XsX.
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I think most multi games will look basically the same in both consoles. Maybe with a tiny fps difference in some game, maybe a tiny resolution difference in games with dynamic resolution, maybe some additional few rays for RT, maybe a slight difference in shadows... something very subtle, smaller differences that the ones we saw in the curent gen both base PS4 vs XBO and Pro vs XB1X.

And differences now are going to be more difficult to spot due to having better image upscaling reconstruction techniques, being closer to 60fps or 30fps, being closer to 4K, etc.

azertydu91 said:
So it's aimed at 1440P/30fps Tv owners or people that don't want to fully enjoy their 1080p TVs ?Sure that seems like a good market, I guess?
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I think it's more realistic to expect 1080p/60fps, because most tvs support that and Series S has a third of the Series X GPU horsepower and less RAM. And well, there almost no 1440p in the market, which is full of 1080p tvs.
 
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kyliethicc

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xacto said:
In all honesty, Driveclub would put to shame GT Sport as it is, graphics-wise.
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Eh not really for car enthusiasts like myself. Driveclub has better weather effects but that useless to me for racing, I care more about the car models, interiors, etc. GT's are better. But I can see why casuals/arcade fans liked DC, cuz it was silly and unrealistic but fun and pretty.
 
ToadMan

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J_Gamer.exe said:
Ahh ok. Just seen what it was and it was loading the 4k image quality mode on the 15 seconds video with loads of cars and a big track.

So as well as different games modes is it possibly also on lower res modes that load much lower assets for the higher framerates?
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Yeah I guess it could be. Thinking back to example of the 120fps mode and it had no spectators. So perhaps that would add up to a reduced loading time.
 
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MrFunSocks said:
Ok.....?

It’s a low precision RT implementation. We can all see it - trees that are reflected are missing half their geometry or more. They’re lower LOD models. You can see reflections of things like cars that you shouldn’t be able to see because they are obscured by trees, but in the reflections the tree branches and leaves aren’t there lol.
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Wait, what? Show me.
 
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